August 2004 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Re: M_Boats: M_15 VS CP 16
by chbenneck＠juno.com 15 Aug '04

15 Aug '04

Ah, Rick That's another of the advantages of owning an M boat. Instead of it hiding in a Marina, or some winter storage area, where you can only see it when you go there, you can put it outside your house window and admire it all year long; ....even covered with snow! Connie

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Re: M_Boats: compromise
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 15 Aug '04

15 Aug '04

I was going to offer a Melonseed as a possibility, until I read the bit about sitting on seats! Still, you might want to entertain the idea. Gorgeous hull, amazingly seaworthy, planes downwind, sets up in minutes, rows well, and all spars stow inside... Oh, have the resources for a fleet of small boats! Cheers, Steve Tyree, P-15 In a message dated 8/15/2004 9:39:22 AM Central Standard Time, chonshell(a)ia4u.net writes: My thoughts exactly, as owner of an M17 and 1/3 partner in a PS Flicka . . . However, I actually want to go smaller: Get out of the Flicka partnership, and acquire a small open classic daysailor that is easy to launch, retrieve and singlehand on smaller lakes . . . However, not a dinghy, but a boat in which one sits on benches, rather than floorboards . . .

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Re: M_Boats: boat ramp strategies
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 15 Aug '04

15 Aug '04

Very cool, Bill. Sounds like a simple, quick solution (important for those impulse sails). Let us know how your tests turn out. Cheers Steve Tyree, P-15 In a message dated 8/14/2004 2:07:07 PM Central Standard Time, BILLAMICASR(a)aol.com writes: Here's the solution to "What to do with the boat while parking the car." I have used an item called The Anchor Buddy on a couple of power boats. Go To: http://www.anchorbuddy.com/ You'll see the anchor buddy is basically a stretch anchor line. Motor out, set the anchor in 10-20 foot of water, motor back in to wading depth, jump off with your bow line and let the boat back out to the anchor... tie off the bow line on shore. When you want back on the boat, pull her in. No worries about rocks or shore dings. HOWEVER, I've used this on low freeboard boats. It's possibly strong enough to accept the wind against a high freeboard. But, I've not tested it. I'll be getting one for Tiperary. If you dont have yours before I do, I'll report back about mine... If you do get one, let us know if it withstands the winds. Regards, Bill M-17 SF Bay

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Re: M_Boats: Boom length
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 15 Aug '04

15 Aug '04

Here's a thought... Dear Mr. Eeg, Please create an owners manual for the 15, 17 & 23 M-Boats. Would be great if it were posted on the Montgomery web site. If not, I'm pretty sure someone with webability would be happy to assist in posting same on the MSOG site. Sincerely, Loyal Montgomery Owners Hey Bob... no pressure, but it would be great to have a reference manual posted. Here's a second thought... I'll help where I can... I believe my new M-17 is pretty much stock. When I get her home I can do a bunch of pics (I've got a decent digital camera) and I can put them with specific measurements on a CD. If a bunch of us got together and did this and send the CD's to a willing person, maybe we could all have a nice reference web site. I get no credit for the idea. I'm borrowing the idea from http://www.opendoor.com/dwood/m15/ When I saw this site created by David, of his new M-15, it gave me the thought we could do the same. I've never done it... so I plead ignorant! However, there's lots of things I once have never done that I am now a master of. I'm pretty sure each of us feel the same. BTW - Before I bought my digital camera, I would use a regular 35mm camera and have the film processed by Kodak on CD at Safeway. That way I could manipulate the images on my 'puter. Just Thinking... Bill M-17 SF Bay

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Re: M_Boats: Re: Boat ramp strategies
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 15 Aug '04

15 Aug '04

Bill, Surely such a fine reply is worth more than 2 cents! I can't help but agree with you. I did manage to sail an M-15, for about an hour, thanks to the kindness of Charless Fawlkes and his wife. What marvelous boats. It's a lot more boat in lots of ways than our Potter-one very big foot longer and one very big foot wider, as it were. Probably the compromise lies in having two boats rather than making do with one. Still, if I can figure out a stategy for those edgy ramps... Cheers, Steve Tyree, P-15 In a message dated 8/13/2004 1:12:05 AM Central Standard Time, BILLAMICASR(a)aol.com writes: Hi Steve, Here's my 2-cents worth. Far as I can see, the P-15, P-19 / M-15 & M-17 all have there place. For me the P-15 wasn't enough boat. However, it suits lots & LOTS of trailer sailors. Sounds like the waters you sail may be well suited to a P-15. If you find yourself wanting a larger, more useable cabin, more cruising abilities with more safety... then it's possibly time for a change. However, the P-15 will launch in a mud puddle and with the addition of the self adhesive "Hull Guard" material (Cabelas, Overtons, etc.) it's probably the ideal craft. If you find yourself wanting to venture to larger bodies of water with the ever present docks, launch fees, etc... again it's time for a change. In closing, find someone with an M-15 and get an hour in on the tiller. If you could pick a nice windy & scary day, so much the better as you'll be convinced of the M-15's abilities. Try out the cavernous (in comparison) cabin and imagine an overnighter in that space. I haven't even got my boat home yet... However, I can't tell you how happy I am to have a capable vessel. Even though I can't even sail her yet. Two more schools of thoughts. It's better to have any boat... than no boat at all. AND It's better to want something you don't have than to have something you don't want. Which is to say... Keep the P-15 while wishing and wanting your new M-15/17. Want it bad enough and you'll soon find yourself with one! In the mean time look into the "Hull Guard" stuff... Regards, Bill M-17 SF Bay Area

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Re: M_Boats: The Headknocker...
by Steve R. 15 Aug '04

15 Aug '04

Here is a photo of a main sheet headknocker... http://www209.pair.com/wwpotter/images/Piglet's%20Headknocker.jpg The owner said he later turned it around so that the cam released aft. bobjudy2(a)comcast.net wrote... Pls send me pics of your headknocker and main and jib halyard using the RF5. Do you recall what the RF5 costs? steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY

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Water under V berth.
by George Burmeyer 14 Aug '04

14 Aug '04

Something of a mystery: After my last sail, I discovered about a quart of water sloshing around my battery in the V berth storage area and another cup or so in the port side (inside) storage locker. It's fresh water, though my last sail on the boat was in salt. Before that, however, I sailed in fresh water with high winds and waves, sometimes rail down, with lots of spray and airborne water... I also wash the boat down thoroughly on the driveway with fresh water from a hose after each sail. Yet I never noticed any water on or under the cushions in the V berth, nor any water inside the cabin at all during any sailing I've done on her nor after washing her down (except a little around the hatch boards). This boat is always garaged and has not been rained on since I've owned her. The hull appears pristine to my naked eye. No cracks, crazing, blisters or anything else to suggest any kind of hull breach. So...how did the water get there? First guess: the boat is 18 years old and has almost certainly not had her fittings re-bedded. Bow pulpit, cleats and fairleads all penetrate the deck and are potential sources of leaks if the bedding has failed. Likewise the silicone sealant around the side windows. Second guess: the hull-deck joint. In heavy weather could the boat have twisted or flexed, causing a failure in the seal between hull and deck? But If either of these is the case, I should have seen or felt water in the cabin and it seems odd that I did not. Third guess: Centerboard. Could water get in from underneath via the centerboard or pin? (On my boat the centerboard hinge pin openings on either side of the keel appear to have been crudely caulked.) Should I maybe seal them up with epoxy? I'm fresh out of guesses, but I sure would like to not have water collecting in the boat and would welcome any ideas about possible causes and fixes. Thanks, George Burmeyer 1986 M15 #385

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Re: M_Boats: The Headknocker...
by bobjudy2＠comcast.net 14 Aug '04

14 Aug '04

Hi Bill, Pls send me pics of your headknocker and main and jib halyard using the RF5. Do you recall what the RF5 costs? Bob > When I had my P-15, I made a modification to the Main sheet called a > headknocker. Consists of a Ronstan RF-5 swivel block with becket attached to the > boom > at a convenient location. Here's the details... Run the main sheet as usual > through the pulley at the factory traveler. then forward up the boom, through > the Rf-5. This effectively removes the bridgedeck attachment and puts it > above on the boom. Was very, very nice on the P-15. I know if I had an M-15, I'd > make the same modification. Now, since that doesn't make alot of sence... > simply Email me off list & I'll forward the picture... I made a second mod for > the > main & jib halyard using the RF-5. This also worked out wonderfully... Ask > for that pic as well if interested.. > Bill > M-17 Tiperary > San Francisco > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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The Headknocker...
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 14 Aug '04

14 Aug '04

When I had my P-15, I made a modification to the Main sheet called a headknocker. Consists of a Ronstan RF-5 swivel block with becket attached to the boom at a convenient location. Here's the details... Run the main sheet as usual through the pulley at the factory traveler. then forward up the boom, through the Rf-5. This effectively removes the bridgedeck attachment and puts it above on the boom. Was very, very nice on the P-15. I know if I had an M-15, I'd make the same modification. Now, since that doesn't make alot of sence... simply Email me off list & I'll forward the picture... I made a second mod for the main & jib halyard using the RF-5. This also worked out wonderfully... Ask for that pic as well if interested.. Bill M-17 Tiperary San Francisco

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Re: M_Boats: Boom length
by bobjudy2＠comcast.net 14 Aug '04

14 Aug '04

Thats a great idea! I would definately like to see them Bob M15 #208 > > Does anyone have a picture > > (kinda close up) of the normal, stock hardware on the aft end of their > > boom?? > > Yeah! I'd like to see that as well! In fact, wouldn't it be great if > someone with a relatively "stock" Montgomery were to document all the > various fittings etc. of the boat in excruciating detail and post the > pictures at the MSOG site as sort of a baseline reference for all us > who have, um, "improved" boats? It would be a great resource. Anybody > out there with an original boat and far too much time on their hands? > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > David W. Wood -=- dwood(a)woodatwork.com > 1981 M15 -=- Hull #163 > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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