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Re: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 14, Issue 21
by chbenneck＠juno.com 06 May '04

06 May '04

Hi Scott, Before you can dream about cruising destinations, you have to know that they exist. Now you are aware of the Adriatic coast of "former" Yugoslavia. Another wonderful area is the Stockholm archipelago. Hundreds of low, pine tree covered islands with Swedish summer homes on them, and, ..........almost every Swede has a power boat or mainly sailboats. Powerboats tend to be primarily slow speed (6 - 8 knots) plus a few outboard powered fast machines. Everyone is most considerate of one another - no wake zones are respected. But once you are off the well marked ship channels, you need local knowledge and someone has to "correct" your charts so that you avoid the rocks. I came to the conclusion that this was done on purpose to give Russian mini-subs that were constantly trying to explore the Swedish coast a hard time. If you believe the published Swedish chart and then run aground: it's Swedes 1 - Russians 0, in the game of cat and mouse. I once was heading back to Stockholm from one of the outer islands of the archipelago, hard on the wind in a Swedish racing class sloop - a long thin boat: tall rig; deep keel; long overhangs, .............. I checked the chart I had and saw 30 meters of water where I wanted to lengthen my tack between two islands. OK go for it, fewer tacks are better, right? With lee rail under and marching along at about 6 knots, all of a sudden - in the middle of my 30 meter depth area there was a loud BOOM, and our ship was high and dry on a nice - barely underwater boulder. 30 meters of water????? No way. My wife, to this day, never lets me forget that episode when I decide to cut a corner or stray from "guaranteed" deep water. Luckily, as I walked forward to get an anchor out of a forepeak, the boat quivered and slid off the rock into deep water again. The rest of the 30 NM back to Stockholm I stayed in the marked up areas of my chart. But still; another area to put on your "dream about" list. If you hit it in August it's kraftor (sp?) time. These are Swedish fresh water crayfish (probably similar to the crawfish from Louisiana). Then it's ritual eating and drinking time: 1 kraftor: 1 Aquavit: 1 kraftor; 1 Aquavit. and so on, deep into the night. Another great area are the Danish islands............. Towns are built around the harbors. Marinas all have showers and toilets for the cruising sailor. In the morning you walk to the local bakery and buy fresh Danish pastry, and are back on board in time for the coffee to finish brewing. Another delightful area. Connie

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RE: M_Boats: Rudder
by bownez＠juno.com 06 May '04

06 May '04

Hi Mark and Roberta, How do you like that nice big M23 compared to the M17? I just completed refinishing my nice mahagony 7ft rudder for my M23. I stripped the old bottom paint, sanded, applied 3 coats of System 3 epoxy, and will follow with Micron CSC. The top half is varnished. I was seeing evidence of previous repairs coming un-done and the possibility of water leaching into the wood. The rudder sits in the water for 6 to 7 months here in Minnesoooota. I do raise it while the boooot is slipped. Later, Bones ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

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Re: M_Boats: (no subject)
by bownez＠juno.com 06 May '04

06 May '04

Steph, Did you see my earlier post about a 1986 M17 for sale here in Minnesota? Bones ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

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RE: M_Boats: Connie's M15 (Tom Smith's reply)
by Smith, Tom 05 May '04

05 May '04

Rick, those who have said the M15 is much easier to launch and retrieve are right. Really, the main difference in setup difficulty/time is in standing rigging. No backstay on the M15 makes it a breeze, plus there are no turnbuckles on the M15 (at least on mine), so attaching shrouds/stay requires no deep thought. Of course the M17 setup can be made very easy as well utilizing a backstay adjuster and forestay quick-release mechanism. Both masts can be easily handled by one person. A mast crutch makes life a little less complicated with both models. By the way, Larry Yake has this exercise down to a science with his M17, as do many others I'm sure. Other than that, the only significant difference is related to boat weight. The M17 is almost exactly twice the weight of the M15. My 4cyl, 4wd Toyota pickup loves to tow and launch and retrieve the M15, but begins to complain when asked to service the M17, especially pulling it out on a steep ramp (What's that bad smell? Oh, that's the clutch!). Using wheel chocks helps, and I always use my 4wd. On the road, I almost never use 5th with either boat--just a bad practice. I would definitely recommend a more muscular towing vehicle for the M17 if you're dry sailing the boat. The M17 stays in the water in a slip (when it isn't living in my shop getting a facelift, which is where it's at now). The M15 is a great traveler. This doesn't discuss the difference in sailing characteristics and dwell-ability between the two boats, which are significant--but both perfect in their own way. t Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle M15--345 Chukar M17--064 Unnamed This message was scanned for viruses!!

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Connie's M15 (Tom Smith's reply)
by Rick Langer 05 May '04

05 May '04

Tom, being an owner of both an M15 and an M17, would you please compare the launch and retrieval procedure of each. Do you use the M15 for day sailing and the M17 for cruising? Thanks, Rick >Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 15:34:24 -0700 > From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith(a)itron.com> > Subject: RE: M_Boats: Connie's M15 > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > <E15906480B361D4BAA27ADC6EDCAB9EE300489(a)spokane-mx3.itron.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Connie's M15 would be a fine example of the type Rick. I can't help you > with a tour, but I can testify that you will be very impressed with the > spacious design of the M17. > > > Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle > M15--345 Chukar > M17--064 Unnamed

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1977 Montgomery 17 available
by Bob 05 May '04

05 May '04

We took a 1977 (3 berth with galley) in and it is for sale on the www.msog.org website. It is at the Ontario, California factory and I can send photos to anyone interested. (email me directly or call) (we reconditioned it. Came out pretty neat) Fair winds, Bob (949) 489-8227

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(no subject)
by shaas4＠bellsouth.net 05 May '04

05 May '04

I know they are hard to come by. But I can always try!!!! Anyone know of a used 17 for sale? Looking for an 86 or newer. Thanks, Stephanie

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Re: M_Boats: Connie's M15
by chbenneck＠juno.com 05 May '04

05 May '04

Hi Rick, The approximately 10" x 10" square Styrofoam floatation logs are located up in the bow compartment area, and under the cockpit sole. In the forward compartment, I moved them out to the sides to make room for my Fortress anchor / chain / rode. If you could have stuck your head into the starboard sail locker you would have seen the aft ones lying there. It was nice meeting you, and good luck on your search for a new floating "toy". Connie

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Rudder
by Tom and Susan Wilkinson 05 May '04

05 May '04

This is the first season I have kept Obsessus in a slip. Taking the rudder off and on is a pain. Any problems with keepng the rudder in the water all season? Tom Obsessus M17

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(no subject)
by Russ Browne 05 May '04

05 May '04

Mike, I saw Dulcibella today when I took PJ Puddlejumper sailing. What a beautiful boat she is ! Looking forward to meeting you in person. Russ Browne P J Puddlejumper ComPac SunCat #16 Branched Oak Yacht Club Sailing the prairies of Nebraska

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