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RE: M_Boats: Jib cleats - clam replacement
by Smith, Tom 07 May '04

07 May '04

Are you saying cam cleat when you say c cleat Doug? Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle M15--345 Chukar M17--064 Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: Doug Kelch [mailto:doug_kelch@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:38 AM To: Montgomery Subject: M_Boats: Jib cleats - clam replacement I just went through the second set of clam cleats in three years on my M15. The last set was the more expensive aluminum ones with the hope that they would last longer than the phenolic ones. I replaced the jib sheets at the same time with soft easy to grip line. I intend to replace them with C cleats. I plan on mounting a block of wood in the original clam cleat holes and have T nuts in the locations for the C cleats. This should avoid any new thru deck holes. Is there a better way? How have others done this? Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" These clam cleats work well in light airs but I had a great weekend sail with strong gusty winds. I kept the working 110% jib up too long before dropping to the 70% jib and that was the end of the clam cleats. I spent 1 day with 110% and single reefed main and was overpowered frequently. The second day I was almost constantly backwinding the single reefed main about 30 - 40% until I changed jibs. The M15 handled very will with the 80% jib and single reefed main. I would guess the conditions at 18kts steady state with gust as high as 25 to 28 kts. In the strong gusts with the reduced rig we would still have to be quick to avoid too much heel but were in not at risk at all. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses!!

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Re: M_Boats: Jib cleats - clam replacement
by Wcpritchett＠aol.com 07 May '04

07 May '04

Doug, I'm curious...what happened to the cleats to make the inoperative? The only problem I've had with them is the cams get loose and the springs pop out of position. Braided line slips easier too so I prefer regular 3 strand. Bill

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Re: M_Boats: M-17 aux. motor, M-17 for sale
by bownez＠juno.com 07 May '04

07 May '04

Hi Listers, I had a Johnson 6hp on my M-17, and I have replaced it with a Yamaha 4hp 4 stroke. Seems to have ample power and easy on gas. There is a bit more vibration with the single cylinder. The M-23 has a 10 hp Honda 4 stroke. On another note, there was a 86 M-17 listed in the Mpls classifieds last Sunday, with motor and trailer. $6000.00 B/O. I have NOT seen it. 651-429-6331. Later, Bones ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

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Re: M_Boats: M-17 aux. motor--rant reply
by Harvey Wilson 07 May '04

07 May '04

Hi Steve.. >>The 3.0 amp charging kit seems worth the extra weight. It would be nice to keep the battery topped off when motoring.<< How much do you motor?? I motor about 5 minutes at the start and end of my sail. If I had the alternator on my Seagull, it would add a bit to the battery, but (methinks) a solar cell would do it as well, and possibly cost a bit less. Less weight on the stern, at least <GG> Harvey/ Ga M-17 Stargazer #294

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windvane ready
by MC Carpenter 07 May '04

07 May '04

Chuck, the rudder trim tab attached to the rudder and vertical vane have checked out to day it steers as close to 2 and 1/2 degrees on smooth waters I'll have it on the web page with the picture of the one-way valve on the cockpit drains in couple days. the three day venture anchored at Moss Cove with the U-1 and the solar panel on the couch roof proved to be a real bonus, for the entire 70 hours the radio never went off the VHF was on receive and the anchor light worked from dusk to dawn automatically all perfectly. Next time I plan to use the solid state refrigerator I built, how is yours doing with that extra foam filler. Have you notice with the your M-17 that moving weight astern caused the vessel to add lee helm? Dennis, MC and Wendy will be back from Johnston Islands next week,they did mention they might stay in Honolulu for an extra couple of days . I'll forward your messages to them tonight

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Appreciation
by Seawitch 07 May '04

07 May '04

I just want to say a few words of appreciation for the tidbits and assistance I have received from the "pros" who frequent this list. I have a nice mouse on my computer with a wheel in the center which allows me to quickly scroll down through the messages, and if the topic isn't one I am interested in at the time or I don't have much time, guess what, I don't have to read it. Anytime I have had some problem or question, someone on the list will have had the same problem or question and someone will offer assistance and information. Oftentimes, I don't have to ask the question myself someone will already have done it. So, thanks to all of you and lets keep this a positive place to be, if you don't want to read it, don't. If you don't want to subscribe don't. But those of us who do, don't much appreciate harsh, negative comments! Time for a cool change! Sandra(Seawitch #617)

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Jib cleats - clam replacement
by Doug Kelch 06 May '04

06 May '04

I just went through the second set of clam cleats in three years on my M15. The last set was the more expensive aluminum ones with the hope that they would last longer than the phenolic ones. I replaced the jib sheets at the same time with soft easy to grip line. I intend to replace them with C cleats. I plan on mounting a block of wood in the original clam cleat holes and have T nuts in the locations for the C cleats. This should avoid any new thru deck holes. Is there a better way? How have others done this? Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" These clam cleats work well in light airs but I had a great weekend sail with strong gusty winds. I kept the working 110% jib up too long before dropping to the 70% jib and that was the end of the clam cleats. I spent 1 day with 110% and single reefed main and was overpowered frequently. The second day I was almost constantly backwinding the single reefed main about 30 - 40% until I changed jibs. The M15 handled very will with the 80% jib and single reefed main. I would guess the conditions at 18kts steady state with gust as high as 25 to 28 kts. In the strong gusts with the reduced rig we would still have to be quick to avoid too much heel but were in not at risk at all. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover

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Re: perogative
by Rick Langer 06 May '04

06 May '04

I'm new here and maybe I should butt out and I'm more a lurker than a contributor, but I can't help it. I like the stories, I always seem to learn something when I don't expect to. I like the fights too! Rick Langer

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Re: M_Boats: Jib cleats - clam replacement
by chbenneck＠juno.com 06 May '04

06 May '04

Hi Doug, When I bought my M15 it had the original black plastic jam cleats for the jib halyards. They were the first things I changed on the boat. Reason: In the event of a sudden gust, I want to release the jib sheet instantly, and not have to wrestle with the jib sheet and the jam cleat to show who is stronger.............. .........and if I'm not.......? Then what? The boat gets laid on it's ear. I installed Rostan cam cleats, and now only have to jerk the jib sheet out of the cam cleat and my jib is free. I've had no difficulty with them since I installed them, but have not been in a reefed down situation with 20 - 25 knots of wind, though I have been hit with some fronts that made me glad I could free the jib instantly. They have been doing a fine job, and I'm happy with them. Connie

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RE: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 14, Issue 21
by Morris, Giles 06 May '04

06 May '04

>this is still a "Montgomery" forum I don't really get much of a vote since I no longer own a Montgomery, or more probably am between Montgomeries. But it seems to me that this list does a wonderful job, and we (most of us, anyway) would be much the poorer if we lost discussion of side issues. Come to think of it, Connie's memories of Scandinavia were one of yesterday's better moments. Serendipity should be fun, and I _want_ to hear about this stuff! Just a personal opinion. Giles

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