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Boatless in Pacifica
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 26 Feb '04

26 Feb '04

GREAT NEWS!!! Thanks to all you who responded to my need for advice and a test sail on the M-15. My closest offer is in my home waters of San Francisco bay. I'm so excited. It will have to wait a while... Todays storm brought gusts proportedly in the 60 mph range. I cant imagine braving those winds without being a long - long way away from shore. Thanks again Bill Lamica

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Re: M_Boats: 1981 M15 for sale
by Michael L Bowden 26 Feb '04

26 Feb '04

Hi Craig, Don't leave out my 6'8" Montgomery dingy that came with the M23! Am I a sick puppy or what? Bones ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

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Newbie and Boatless
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 26 Feb '04

26 Feb '04

Hi to all, Got rid of my West Wight Potter "Feather." She was a P-15, sail number 2074 and in excellent condition. Like many others, I bought her before sailing one and boy I was disappointed. I kept her for about 6 months. I made lots of great modifications in the attempt to try to make her feel safe. In the end I even got into trouble with the Potter Forum because I used the word "Fragile" instead of "Tender." Oh well... The reason I'm looking at the M-15 is because she is also very portable -- just like the P-15. However, I've been assured the similarities end right there. With the P-15, I felt I had to stay very cautious (nerve racking) because here in our SF Bay the winds can kick up a bit and more than one P-15 has ended up with the wet side up. Not my idea of fun. So, I need some thoughts from those of you who have converted to the M-15, from other makes of simular craft. I've as yet to see the M-15, up close and personal and this time I feel a need to sail one prior to my order. If anyone can help with a test sail. I'd be happy to show gratitude. I'm quite willing to travel a couple (few) hours to sail on the M-15. I've included contact information. Bill Lamica 601 Beaumont Blvd Pacifica, CA 94044 (650) 738-1969 P.s. - A little history about me for those who care to read it. I'm just a working stiff. I curently am a Teamster and drive a Cement Mixer Truck. I've had a few of other jobs... building custom wood, McKenzie River Drift Boats with Don Hill in Eugene Oregon. Whiteware river guide General manager in the automotive repair industry and a certified Hypnotist... How about that for varied. I've found I get bored easily. I learned to sail a few years ago at "Tradewinds" in Pt. Richmond, CA. I've sailed Catalina 22, 25 and 27's and Ericson 27's and I've spent a fair amount of time on a Nor'Sea 27 which I recently sold for my sister in Port Angeles, WA. I have always felt an attachment with the water from the time I was young being brought up swimming in the Rogue River of Oregon.

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More tether questions
by Jon Martin 26 Feb '04

26 Feb '04

Thanks for the may coments about using a tether on an M15...regarding attachment points, how about using the bow pupit - I was thinking I could put a backing plate underneath the furthest aft parts of the pulpit, and attach a line there, then run aft to attach to the transom cleat on each side of the boat - comments are sought! Jon in Walla Walla _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/

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RE: M_Boats: M15 Spinnaker--Rich
by Smith, Tom 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

Rich, I be interested to know if you're using any special sail handling techniques or equipment to make use of your spinnaker easier for a single person. Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed

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RE: M_Boats: Rudder Refinishing
by Smith, Tom 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

I use straight varnish on my M15 rudder (probably 6 coats of Epihanes). I remove the rudder after each outing. After three years, it's in very good shape--I don't refinish it over the winter (I am this winter because I noticed a couple sags in the varnish and, well, I'm butt-deep in snow--what else do I have to do?). >From my experience (and if as you say Mike, you're going to remove the rudder), a good quality varnish works fine. Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: Roberta Dvorscak [mailto:edarts93@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 8:09 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: RE: M_Boats: Rudder Refinishing Mike, I agree with Tod. Epoxy the rudder then varnish. The rudder on Grace is finished this way and her rudder would spend up to 4 months in the water without a break. I do re-varnish every winter. Her rudder is beautiful all the time. Mark Dvorscak -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+edarts93=earthlink.net(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+edarts93=earthlink.net@mailman.xmission .com] On Behalf Of Michael Huffine Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 7:15 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Rudder Refinishing Alright, I have the rudder and tiller on my M17 sanded down to bare wood. Have read the threads on refinishing, but have not seen anyone talk about using stain and varnish to any extent. Will a stain and two or three coats of varnish survive below the waterline on a slipped M17 that has the rudder placed in the cabin when not sailing? I see a lot of warnings on various varnishs about "not for use below the waterline." Does this mean any time or for extended exposure to water? Any inputs on varnish and stain would be helpful. Thanks! Mike Huffine _________________________________________________________________ Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses!!

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RE: M_Boats: M15 Spinnaker track location
by Smith, Tom 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

The spinnaker block for an M15 is fastend about a foot higher than the jib halyard block, so the chute is flown well below the masthead. M15s fly spinnakers all the time. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: G Burmeyer [mailto:burmeyer@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 11:48 PM To: Montgomery Boats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Spinnaker track location Rich, Tell me I can fly a kite from an M15! Is this really feasible with a fractional rig and no backstay? Without some support high up, I would think you'd be looking at a broken mast. Tell me I'm wrong and you've made my day. George Burmeyer M15 #385 On 2/23/04 5:30 PM, "Richard Cottrell" <rc2222(a)pacbell.net> wrote: > Tom: > > Sailing downwind with the spinnaker is as fun as it > gets. I think having a spinnaker car is an excellent > idea since the spinnaker flys alot lower in light > winds compared with moderate winds. Two feet from the > base of the mast is not too low, in my opinion. I'd > run it up the mast two and a half feet. I three fixed > pole rings. I use all three to attach the halyards > when not in use. Have you installed new cleats to the > mast yet? > > Rich Cottrell > > --- "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith(a)itron.com> wrote: >> Anybody have guidance/opinion regarding location of >> track for a small spinnaker car for the M15? >> Presently there's a fixed whisker pole ring on the >> mast, but it's weak and I thought I might as well >> spring for the ability to adjust the pole height as >> long as I'm going to replace it. Or, as is my >> habit, am I going to extremes again... t >> >> Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle >> Sandpoint, Idaho >> M15-345, Chukar >> M17-064, Unnamed >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Steve R. [mailto:stever@mail.saabnet.com] >> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:25 AM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >> Subject: M_Boats: Suggested Web Vendor >> >> >> I am not trying to steal anyone's beer money here, >> but I am aware of a web based merchandise service >> that imprints apparel, license plate frames, >> frisbees, mugs, steins and more. I learned of this >> site when they were the merchandise vendor for a >> past SAAB Owners Convention. >> >> Here is a link to the products for that convention: >> >> http://www.cafeshops.com/cp/store.aspx?s=soc02prereg >> >> And a link to how to set up an on-line store: >> >> http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/sell/ >> >> There are no up-front costs to set up a store. No >> minimum order or inventory considerations. Just >> upload a logo and select which merchandise you want >> to sell. The cost of the merchandise is listed. >> The owner of a store sets the selling price. An >> additional commission is paid for sales of over $250 >> a month. I suggest the earnings go to supporting >> the MSOG web site. >> >> However, to do this we need, as someone pointed out, >> the permission of Jerry and Bob and maybe the estate >> of Lyle Hess. We may also need to form a non-profit >> organization to channel the funds to MSOG and avoid >> tax liabilities from sales. Is there an attorney in >> the house? >> >> What do you all think? >> >> steve >> >> Steve R. >> M-15 #119 >> Lexington, KY >> >> _______________________________________________ >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> >> This message was scanned for viruses!! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses!!

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Re: M_Boats: Re: Gilbert's Maiden voyage
by chbenneck＠juno.com 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

Hi Sandra, That's the beauty and essence of sailing................ You keep expanding your horizons, from the voyaging point of view and from all the things that make sailing such an enjoyable obsession. First you learn the basics of sailing; just getting underway and learning how to adjust sails to let you go in the direction you want. Now you are into learning basic navigation: how do I get from A to B, and how do I do it in the fog? Then come all the fun things like learning how to make proper knots and doing splicing and how to whip the ends of your lines. Then come studies of the flora and fauna that you see while sailing: the sea birds, fish, possibly turtles, and biggies like sharks or whales. The universe keeps expanding into sun, moon and stars (celestial navigation) Oh, and while you are learning all this, you come up with improvements to your boat, and you learn about wood working / fiberglass repairs / sail repairs. You learn to keep your outboard running and happy. It's a never ending expanding universe of skills and know-how. Dive in and enjoy it, despite the occasional groundings or other bumps that happen to all of us. Connie

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Re: M_Boats: 1981 M15 for sale
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

I'm sorry to hear about your misfortune, Dale. I'm also sorry I can't come buy your boat. I would be summarily executed upon returning home :( Good luck. Someone's going to get a great boat at a firehouse price. Steve Tyree, P-15 In a message dated 2/23/2004 10:02:19 PM Central Standard Time, dalew(a)arvig.net writes: I will be posting my M15 on ebay later this week, and wanted to give the list a heads up first. The economy has not been kind and my boat has got to find a new home. She shows her age and needs some cosmetic tlc (wood needs refinishing, broken toe rail, crack on a hatch hinge), but is very sound and ready to sail. Pictures can be seen at <www.e3digital.com/m15/index.html>. Boat, trailer, main, furling jib, 4hp mariner longshaft and the usual goodies are located in central MN. Buyer to arrange pick-up or delivery. The first $2000 takes her home! Please email me directly with any questions or communication. Dale

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Re: M17 IN GARAGE
by MC 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

I tried to get information on the stern rail last summer when I was in town and I was told it was not possible because of the raising of the tiller ( rudder) but I don't see that as a problem.

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