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RE: M_Boats: Nav lights at top of mast
by William Emerson 10 Dec '04

10 Dec '04

Some complain that the masthead lights are too far up to be seen easily by other boaters: a light 70 feet off of the water may well be seen for 2 nm, but may not be seen from 20 feet. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+williame=peoriaaz.com(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+williame=peoriaaz.com@mailman.xmission. com] On Behalf Of chbenneck(a)juno.com Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 9:20 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Nav lights at top of mast Hi Rick, The tricolor light is simplicity itself. One exterior lamp housing with Fresnel lens divided into red, green and white sectors. The single bulb is located in the middle (a special bulb with a vertical filament so that the optics work properly). When the tricolor light is on, one bulb does it all, rather than having three bulbs, one for each individual lamp. For a sailboat it has another advantage. The tricolor lamp is mounted atop the mast, which give it maximum range and visibility when sailing at night. Connie _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Nav lights at top of mast
by chbenneck＠juno.com 10 Dec '04

10 Dec '04

Hi Rick, The tricolor light is simplicity itself. One exterior lamp housing with Fresnel lens divided into red, green and white sectors. The single bulb is located in the middle (a special bulb with a vertical filament so that the optics work properly). When the tricolor light is on, one bulb does it all, rather than having three bulbs, one for each individual lamp. For a sailboat it has another advantage. The tricolor lamp is mounted atop the mast, which give it maximum range and visibility when sailing at night. Connie

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RE: M_Boats: Nav lights at top of mast
by William Emerson 10 Dec '04

10 Dec '04

A tricolor light has three fixed lights, including a white light placed over the fore and aft centerline of the vessel showing an unbroken light over an arc of the horizon of 112.5 degrees so fixed as to show the light from right astern to 22.5 degrees abaft the beam on either side of the vessel, and a green light on the starboard side and a red light on the port side each showing an unbroken light over an arc of the horizon of 112.5 degrees and so fixed as to show the light from right ahead to 22.5 degrees abaft the beam on its respective side. About legality, see Coast Guard's publication Navigation Rules, International - Inland, Part C - Lights and Shapes, Rule 25, http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/mwv/navrules/Rules/Rule25.htm. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+williame=peoriaaz.com(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+williame=peoriaaz.com@mailman.xmission. com] On Behalf Of Rick Langer Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 8:56 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Nav lights at top of mast Would someone explain how a tri-color light works? Does the all around white light stay on, all around, whenever the nav lights are on or are there two lights in there, one stern and one steaming? Also, what are the issues concerning legality? Thanks, Rick Langer M15 #337 Sialia > Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:00:07 EST > From: Saltm17(a)aol.com > Subject: M_Boats: Nav lights at top of mast > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <c0.1d757332.2eea16d7(a)aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Just called the Coast Guard and asked if using masthead nav lights > (tri-color) was still legal on both inland waters and off shore. Apparently they are > still legal, and there haven't been any recent changes to the rules alowing > them. > > John _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Blue Hull
by John L. Gonzalez 10 Dec '04

10 Dec '04

Hello, does anyone have a link to, or photo of, a Montgomery 15 or 17 with a blue hull? I'm looking at buying an M-15, and would like to see what an M-15 would look like with a blue hull. Thanks! Sincerely, John

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Re: M_Boats: CG and CB for M - 17s
by TOMMYVAL＠aol.com 10 Dec '04

10 Dec '04

Tod, You and many others on this list continue to amaze me, WOW Gary

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Nav lights at top of mast
by Saltm17＠aol.com 09 Dec '04

09 Dec '04

Just called the Coast Guard and asked if using masthead nav lights (tri-color) was still legal on both inland waters and off shore. Apparently they are still legal, and there haven't been any recent changes to the rules alowing them. John

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re: M23 nav light size
by Steve R. 09 Dec '04

09 Dec '04

I came across the following: "Most of these flush mounted sidelights are installed below the vessel's rub rail. International Navigation Rules require that sidelights be installed above the uppermost continuous deck. Therefore this configuration would not be in compliance with International Navigation Rules." and: "Sidelights that are installed in the contour of the bow without providing a mounting surface tooled to be parallel with the fore and aft centerline of the vessel are not in compliance with the Inland or International Navigation Rules. Depending on the breadth of the vessel near the bow and how far aft from the vessel's stem the lights are mounted, this shift can be more than 20 degrees in some cases." Coast Guard Short Range Aids to Navigation Division (G-NSR) Here is a link: http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/sidelights.htm steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY --- Rachel <penokee(a)cheqnet.net> wrote: It's my understanding that it is not legal to have those nav. lights mounted below the gunwhale - I think that perhaps it used to be. I checked this out while restoring my M-17, which also had the bow lights mounted on the topsides, just below the hull/deck joint.

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Maine05-Post02
by htmills＠bright.net 09 Dec '04

09 Dec '04

I did a little further research on the Maine cruising guides and found that the trailer sailor guide is the first in a series and it only covers Casco Bay. The other geographic regions are still in the works. Perhaps they will go to press in time for next summer's cruising. Meanwhile, the regular cruising guide exists. Here's a link to more info: http://www.coastguides.com/guides.html That web page, a work in progress, also has other information about the Maine coast: http://www.coastguides.com As a side note, one of the authors, Hank Taft, was related to the former President William H. Taft and current Ohio Governor Bob Taft. I wonder if he was considered the "black sheep" of the family by spending his time out sailing instead of running for political office? Unfortunately, the friendly young Beluga whale "Poco", who was well-known along the Maine coast has died, so we won't get to see him: http://outdoors.mainetoday.com/naturewatching/041121poco2.shtml Here is a web page by someone who actually met Poco while out cruising: http://www.sailzora.com/october_29_2004.htm Possibly up to 3 M-17's and 3 M-15's for this cruise so far! Tod M17 #408 BuscaBrisas

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Re: M_Boats: LED's
by Rachel 07 Dec '04

07 Dec '04

Hi Folks, Once again, I'll chime in without having read the whole thread; my excuse is that I'm at the library using webmail, and time is limited. If you are going to spend the money for "store-bought" LED lights, check out the models at Orca Green Marine (I think it's www.orcagreen.com) They are Coast Guard approved. I've had several failures of the on/off light sensor of previous Davis mega lights, so I asked them about theirs. They said it's a much more heavy-duty type. I'm not affiliated with them in any way. I was just checking on LED anchor lights for a customer this summer. He had a Hunter with a fractional rig and was spending hundreds of dollars having the bulbs replaced in his masthead anchor light. Hunter told him it was probably due to the fact that the fractional rig moves around a lot more than a masthead rig, and the conventional bulbs are fairly fragile. LEDs are a lot tougher in that respect. They are expensive though. But I liked them better than other ones at similar prices. FWIW --- Rachel

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M15 Seating
by Rick Langer 07 Dec '04

07 Dec '04

I came across this nice website. Check out their "Comfy" chair. The boat's ok too. http://www.quietboating.com/index.html On another subject, but same website, what do you guys think of the navigational lights in the hull? The wiring would be easy. The bow seems higher than the M15. I haven't seen this type of light in all the usual places that I've looked. I wonder where they put the steaming light? I'm looking for a way to have lights without going up the mast. Has anyone used the cabin sides for nav lights? Rick Langer M15 #337

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