April 2003 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 vs Compac 16
by Harvey Wilson 15 Apr '03

15 Apr '03

>> I see you are still sailing Stargazer. That's good. You may not remeber but a year or so ago you took me out for a sail. Hope all is well with you. Thanks for your comments on the CP 16 and M15.<< Hi Jesse.. Sorry to say that I didn't remember when I first wrote last week, but I do remember now! Still haven't had Stargazers bottom cleaned, but bow that the weather's getting better, I may get it done soon. Hopefully, the CB is just crudded up with brown slime instead of rust!! Harvey/ Ga M-17 Stargazer #294

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Re: M_Boats: Thingamajigs and Doohickies
by TOMMYVAL＠aol.com 14 Apr '03

14 Apr '03

Stan, How was the trip to the Keys. Do you know if Doug and John made it to the Dry Tortugas? I've been looking at the weather and it looks like nice temps but some big seas.By the way I still have a fender of yours from last years get together. After we broke up the raft in Battle Creek it was still attached to my boat. I will give it to you this year. Take care Gary

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M17 Benches
by Honshells 14 Apr '03

14 Apr '03

I just dropped my boat off at a shop 30 miles away, so I can't make the measurement myself: How high are the M17's cockpit benches from the cockpit floor?

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Thingamajigs and Doohickies
by Honshells 12 Apr '03

12 Apr '03

No one has anything to say about the tricolor thru-deck electrical connection and what should be used for a coaxial cable? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Honshells" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:47 PM Subject: Thingamajigs and Doohickies Older M17 owners: If you have the tricolor running lights at the top of your mast, what do you call the thru-deck screw-in connection between the mast wiring and the boat wiring? Could a VHF coaxial cable also run through that same piece of hardware? If not, is there a different piece of hardware available that could be mounted in the same hole, but handle both the mast wiring and the coax? Or is my only recourse to add a second thru-deck screw-in connection for the coax? Thanks!

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Montgomery 15 vs Compac 16
by Harvey Wilson 12 Apr '03

12 Apr '03

Hi Jessee... I see that the MSOG has the article on M-15 vs C-16 that I was going to refer you to. While I own a M-17, I've sailed on several C-16's. They're fine when there's stout winds about. Also, the C-16 only had a shoal draft keel, which will drift off course more then the M-15 (with board down) and won't sail as close to the wind as the M-15...with board down. Tthat centerboard on the M-15 is a great feature<GG> FWIW, I hear that some C-16's now hav ecenterboards like the M-15...if the c-16 that you're looking at has this, then check out the sail area...methinks the M-15 has the C-16 beat. That and the lighter weight (750 vs 1100??) will let the M-15 perform better. Regards, Harvey/ Ga M-17 Stargazer #294

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Re: M_Boats: Epoxy
by chbenneck＠juno.com 12 Apr '03

12 Apr '03

Hi Craig, What you want is the sailing submarine that can unfold it's wings and fly, and on alternate Friday's be used as a 40 foot semi trailer. The answer to your epoxy question - as far as my experience reaches is that you are asking for the impossible. If your epoxy is mixed in a 1:1 ratio, then the consistency is purely a function of ambient temperature. Hotter =s thinner: colder =s thicker. For an excellent text book on epoxy use, contact WEST Systems Brand. The book is free, and is listed in my WEST MARINE Catalog - page 184, "Model 310284" "WESTSYS # 1999" This gives you an explanation of their products; and the technical portion covers basic techniques for repairs and building projects. WEST also has repair packs with small quantities of their resins and hardners; fillers - high and low density; mixing cups; gloves; and everything you need for a small job. See a WEST MARINE Catalog for better and more detailed descriptions. Connie

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Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 vs Compac 16
by chbenneck＠juno.com 11 Apr '03

11 Apr '03

Hi Craig, My ComPac 16 was the original model: no centerboard / no bowsprit. C

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Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 vs Compac 16
by chbenneck＠juno.com 11 Apr '03

11 Apr '03

Hi Jesse, Been there: done that! I bought a ComPac 16 and lived with it for a few years, getting ever more annoyed at it's failings, such as: It didn't like going to windward, and when you had to go to windward, the leeway made by the boat was so much that you almost had to allow 30 degrees to make your heading........... It has no sail lockers. Everything you need to operate a boat has to be stuffed on the berths under the cockpit seats. Murphy decrees that what you want "right now" is always the furthest away in the "storage area". Inside storage, as mentioned above is purely, "stuff it on the berths". No lockers, or other storage facilities. At night, if you want to use the berths, you have to haul everything off the berths and pile it in the cockpit. Then in the morning, you take everything from the cockpit and stuff it on the berths again. What a way to run a boat! After reading about the M15, and then getting information from members on the M-website, I bought one. My conclusion: Buy an M15. It is a "proper" vessel. It has sail lockers in the cockpit; it has storage lockers in the cabin; it has a large useable double berth forward, without a mast compression post in the middle of the cabin. It sails excellently; whether ghosting along or hard on the wind. In short, it is what a real sail boat is all about. So that you know where I'm coming from in my comments, I owned a Tripp-Lentsch 29 for 26 years; owned it's big brother, a Northeast 38, for two years (too big and didn't offer any more than what I already had in the T-L 29) When I sold the Tripp-Lentsch I bought a Bolger MICRO - 15' and trailerable. Great boat, but stepping a 22' solid spruce mast became more than I could handle, so I found the ComPac 16, with a deck stepped aluminum mast, as a replacement for the MICRO. After living with the ComPac and it's lack of basic boat requirements (no sail lockers; no inside storage; two berths - coffin-like - that preclude any "fun and games" (much worse than an Amish bundling board); and poor sailing characteristics (unless you were always on a broad reach), I went looking for something better. That was the Montgomery 15. Now I'm a happy sailor again, with all the characteristics I was used to on my Tripp-Lentsch, but in a 15 foot size. Go M15 and you'll be happy. Connie M15 #400 LEPPO

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Re: M_Boats: Re: ComPac vs. Montgomery
by s.mcclellan＠attbi.com 10 Apr '03

10 Apr '03

Russ-- I appreciate the perspective that your broad experience has given you. And I thank you for your analysis. You have reconfirmed for me that the decision I made in buying the M15 was the right one for me at least. -- Steve McClellan~~M15~#152~~Chicago

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Re: ComPac vs. Montgomery
by Russ Browne 10 Apr '03

10 Apr '03

I have owned several ComPac's over the years...2 16's, a 23 and a 19 before buying my present boat, a SunCat. I also owned a Montgomery 15 and a Hunter 22 along the way. The Larry Brown article comparing the Montgomery 15 with the ComPac was on target. The Monty is a much better sailor. In fact, mine was the best sailing boat I've owned, regardless of size or cost. Not the fastest, but the most responsive. Think BMW on the water. And second only to my ComPac SunCat in ease of rigging, launching, etc.. ComPac's are heavier and somewhat more stable and conservative. Think Buick. I'm not sure I would want to sail to Hawaii in a 15 or 16 foot boat, period. I had that pleasure a number of times on lean, gray ships while spending 7 1/2 years on active duty in the Navy. A well designed boat, skillfully sailed could and several have accomplished the task. For the majority of us, coastal sailing, bays and inland lakes are our reality and the prospective buyer has to determine what he/she really wants. Cruising, daysailing, racing or just messing about. Any of these purposes is valid and can be accommodated by a variety of small boats. Russ Browne Sailing P.J.Puddlejumper 2000 ComPac SunCat #16 Branched Oak Yacht Club On the prairies of Nebraska

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