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Re: M_Boats: Sailing San Diego
by Mark Pavuk 21 Feb '03

21 Feb '03

I'm with you, Connie - here in New Jersey we got 24 inches of snow. I just spent 2 back-breaking days shoveling our driveway. My kids have been home from school all week. My boat is buried in knee-deep snow. I guess spring is coming but it sure is hard wait. Which way to San Diego? Cherri M-15 "Cherri's Jubilee" ---------- >From: chbenneck(a)juno.com >To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sailing San Diego >Date: Thu, Feb 20, 2003, 3:15 PM > >Hi Steve, > >You sure do know how to make a New England M15 owner cry. > >Monday we had 20 inches of snow........................ > >I've just spent two days digging through the Berlin Wall the town >snowplows left in front of my driveway so that I could get the car out >again. > >My poor M15 is buried in the snow, and you talk about gentle breezes, >sail-up-to-restaurants, and all the nice places one can explore in San >Diego harbor. > >If you are such an M friend, how about unlimbering your snow shovel and >giving us poor buried New Englanders a hand? > >.........but your description of San Diego certainly makes it sound like >a lovely sailing area. > >Wish that I could be there too! > >Connie > >M15 #400 LEPPO > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Sailing San Diego
by chbenneck＠juno.com 20 Feb '03

20 Feb '03

Hi Steve, You sure do know how to make a New England M15 owner cry. Monday we had 20 inches of snow........................ I've just spent two days digging through the Berlin Wall the town snowplows left in front of my driveway so that I could get the car out again. My poor M15 is buried in the snow, and you talk about gentle breezes, sail-up-to-restaurants, and all the nice places one can explore in San Diego harbor. If you are such an M friend, how about unlimbering your snow shovel and giving us poor buried New Englanders a hand? .........but your description of San Diego certainly makes it sound like a lovely sailing area. Wish that I could be there too! Connie M15 #400 LEPPO

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New member
by Stephen Yingst 20 Feb '03

20 Feb '03

Greetings all. I'm not a new member of the list, but a returning member. This is just a short post to let the membership know that my sweet sailing Montgomery 17 "Flight" is on the market for $7,950 (obo). She's available for viewing and sailing in Sausalito, CA and I will send a complete equipment list to anyone who emails me back channel. Photos are available in the Nov-Dec 2002 issue of Small Craft Advisor, or I can email a photo or two after this weekend. Fair Winds, Stephen Yingst Glen Ellen, Calif

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Sailing San Diego
by Steve Foster 20 Feb '03

20 Feb '03

Both San Diego Bay and Mission Bay provide great sailing, interesting views and a good on-shore flow of wind. Lots of 'sail up to resturants' and off Point Loma to the Coronado Islands are great. We do have our rain, but very infrequent. Steve M15 Miss Q __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/

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Re: M_Boats: San Diego
by Sandyal55＠aol.com 20 Feb '03

20 Feb '03

There is a good launching ramp on Shelter Island. The parking lot is big and well lit. All the local marine stores are nearby and some great eating establishments are there too. Humphrey's has outdoor concerts which can be viewed from a dinghy for free. Usually 50 dinks are "holding hands" during the events. Marina Cortez on Harbor Island will let you keep your trailer in their lot while you are paying for a slip. Some great restaurants are on Harbor Island too. The trip up to Mission Bay is easy and a night or two anchored in Mariner's Cove (basin?) is fun. The roller coaster is right there and a walk on the ocean side fun. If you spend a night in Glorietta Bay, you can go ashore and visit the Hotel Del Coronado. This is the place where "Some Like it Hot" was filmed. Always bring warm clothes because the evening temps cool off, even in July. As for sailing, I ghosted along in the bay under a full moon, and have been reefed beating back up the bay to get back the marina. It can be exciting. Have fun; Sandy

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RE: M_Boats: removeing old bedding compound?
by Morris, Giles 20 Feb '03

20 Feb '03

Found it! Anti-Bond (sounds like the villain in a cheesy 1970s spy movie) http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=1 0001 <http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId= 10001&langId=-1&catalogId=10001&productId=51839> &langId=-1&catalogId=10001&productId=51839 Giles Morris Arlington VA Montgomery 15 "Umiaq" Vancouver 25 "Dolphin" Miscellaneous small craft -----Original Message----- From: Sandyal55(a)aol.com [mailto:Sandyal55@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:44 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: removeing old bedding compound? There is a product available in the marine stores that softens old bedding compound. I wish I could remember what the name is. You just spray it on and wait while it works for you. Ask the local marine store or West Marine online. Sandy

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RE: Penetrol
by Steve R 19 Feb '03

19 Feb '03

The Flood Co. website has a single MSDS for Penetrol and Marine Penetrol. Perhaps the sailboat on the can is the only difference. http://www.floodco.com/pdf/Cpenetrl.pdf Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY

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Re: M_Boats: Penetrol
by Larry Yake 19 Feb '03

19 Feb '03

I've had both kinds and can't tell any difference when using them. I haven't been able to find out if there's any difference in the ingredients, but always wondered if there was maybe some UV protection or something in the Marine version. A can will last a long time, so I guess I justify the extra expense with optimistic thinking. Plus, I'm just a sucker for anything with a picture of a sailboat on it. :-) Larry On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:17:32 -0800 "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith(a)itron.com> writes: Hey Larry, you can buy plain old Penetrol, and then you can pay WM's exorbitant prices and buy Marine Penetrol. Did you ever discover the difference? t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar -----Original Message----- From: Larry Yake [mailto:leyake@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:44 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Penetrol Depends on the condition of your gel coat. I tried the rubbing compounds, cleaners, polishes, waxes, etc., etc., and found they did more to build muscle than they did to shine the boat. If you just have mild oxidation, use something like Softscrub cleaner with a green pad sponge to scrub off all the loose stuff, grit, and wax. ( use the abrasive side only on the stubborn spots) Then apply the Penatrol with a rag, allow a minute for it to penetrate the surface, and then wipe it off with a clean dry rag before it gets sticky. That's a key point. I know some people hate the stuff and I suspect they didn't get it wiped off soon enough, and then you've got a sticky mess. The can says five minutes. Don't believe it if it's warm out at all. The penetrol seems to work into old dry gel coat and gives it a soft satin sheen. People who've seen my boat don't believe it's 27 years old, and it was oxidized pretty bad before I started. I don't apply wax afterwards. I don't think it would stick very well. Reapplying the penetrol once or twice a year depending on the amount of time it sits in the sun seems to maintain the finish nicely without having to deoxidize it again. Larry Y. On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:16:54 -0500 "Honshells" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> writes: > > Greg Moore mentioned this product to me last week: First I'd heard > of it. You can use Penetrol to brighten > the gelcoat without first using rubbing compound or super-fine-grit > sandpaper? Is the result comparable to > rubbing compound? Do you apply wax after the Penetrol has done its > work, to preserve the shine? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Yake > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 11:31 PM > Subject: Aluminum Toe-Rail > > I used Marine Penetrol to restore the gel coat on Tullamore, and > found it did a very nice job of brightening > the toe-rail also. I reapply the penetrol about once a year and it > keeps the boat looking good. It is > available from West Marine. > Larry Y. > > On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 21:29:02 -0500 "Honshells" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> > writes: > > Any way to "brighten up" the aluminum toe-rail on older Ms without > repainting or applying a chemical that > might damage the anodizing? Painting is the last thing I'd want to > do, since I'd rather have a dull toe-rail > than the maintenance of paint. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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RE: M_Boats: Penetrol
by Smith, Tom 19 Feb '03

19 Feb '03

Hey Larry, you can buy plain old Penetrol, and then you can pay WM's exorbitant prices and buy Marine Penetrol. Did you ever discover the difference? t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar -----Original Message----- From: Larry Yake [mailto:leyake@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:44 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Penetrol Depends on the condition of your gel coat. I tried the rubbing compounds, cleaners, polishes, waxes, etc., etc., and found they did more to build muscle than they did to shine the boat. If you just have mild oxidation, use something like Softscrub cleaner with a green pad sponge to scrub off all the loose stuff, grit, and wax. ( use the abrasive side only on the stubborn spots) Then apply the Penatrol with a rag, allow a minute for it to penetrate the surface, and then wipe it off with a clean dry rag before it gets sticky. That's a key point. I know some people hate the stuff and I suspect they didn't get it wiped off soon enough, and then you've got a sticky mess. The can says five minutes. Don't believe it if it's warm out at all. The penetrol seems to work into old dry gel coat and gives it a soft satin sheen. People who've seen my boat don't believe it's 27 years old, and it was oxidized pretty bad before I started. I don't apply wax afterwards. I don't think it would stick very well. Reapplying the penetrol once or twice a year depending on the amount of time it sits in the sun seems to maintain the finish nicely without having to deoxidize it again. Larry Y. On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:16:54 -0500 "Honshells" < chonshell(a)ia4u.net> writes: > > Greg Moore mentioned this product to me last week: First I'd heard > of it. You can use Penetrol to brighten > the gelcoat without first using rubbing compound or super-fine-grit > sandpaper? Is the result comparable to > rubbing compound? Do you apply wax after the Penetrol has done its > work, to preserve the shine? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Yake > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 11:31 PM > Subject: Aluminum Toe-Rail > > I used Marine Penetrol to restore the gel coat on Tullamore, and > found it did a very nice job of brightening > the toe-rail also. I reapply the penetrol about once a year and it > keeps the boat looking good. It is > available from West Marine. > Larry Y. > > On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 21:29:02 -0500 "Honshells" < chonshell(a)ia4u.net> > writes: > > Any way to "brighten up" the aluminum toe-rail on older Ms without > repainting or applying a chemical that > might damage the anodizing? Painting is the last thing I'd want to > do, since I'd rather have a dull toe-rail > than the maintenance of paint. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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Re: M_Boats: Penetrol
by Larry Yake 19 Feb '03

19 Feb '03

Depends on the condition of your gel coat. I tried the rubbing compounds, cleaners, polishes, waxes, etc., etc., and found they did more to build muscle than they did to shine the boat. If you just have mild oxidation, use something like Softscrub cleaner with a green pad sponge to scrub off all the loose stuff, grit, and wax. ( use the abrasive side only on the stubborn spots) Then apply the Penatrol with a rag, allow a minute for it to penetrate the surface, and then wipe it off with a clean dry rag before it gets sticky. That's a key point. I know some people hate the stuff and I suspect they didn't get it wiped off soon enough, and then you've got a sticky mess. The can says five minutes. Don't believe it if it's warm out at all. The penetrol seems to work into old dry gel coat and gives it a soft satin sheen. People who've seen my boat don't believe it's 27 years old, and it was oxidized pretty bad before I started. I don't apply wax afterwards. I don't think it would stick very well. Reapplying the penetrol once or twice a year depending on the amount of time it sits in the sun seems to maintain the finish nicely without having to deoxidize it again. Larry Y. On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:16:54 -0500 "Honshells" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> writes: > > Greg Moore mentioned this product to me last week: First I'd heard > of it. You can use Penetrol to brighten > the gelcoat without first using rubbing compound or super-fine-grit > sandpaper? Is the result comparable to > rubbing compound? Do you apply wax after the Penetrol has done its > work, to preserve the shine? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Yake > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 11:31 PM > Subject: Aluminum Toe-Rail > > I used Marine Penetrol to restore the gel coat on Tullamore, and > found it did a very nice job of brightening > the toe-rail also. I reapply the penetrol about once a year and it > keeps the boat looking good. It is > available from West Marine. > Larry Y. > > On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 21:29:02 -0500 "Honshells" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> > writes: > > Any way to "brighten up" the aluminum toe-rail on older Ms without > repainting or applying a chemical that > might damage the anodizing? Painting is the last thing I'd want to > do, since I'd rather have a dull toe-rail > than the maintenance of paint. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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