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RE: M_Boats: New Old M-17
by Smith, Tom 24 Oct '03

24 Oct '03

Well, the M centerboards are similar in that they both drop out of a trunk located in the ballasted shallow draft keel, but how they lower/stay in the lowered position/raise is very different. The M15 is simpler and lighter and is lowered/suspended/raised and suspended in the raised position with a pendant. A knot in the pendant keeps the cb in the proper, lowered position. The M17 cb is heavy and requires the assistance of a winch (or heck, a good wench will do the trick too probably) to lower/raise. The M17 cb is kept in its proper, lowered position by a tang that contacts a stopper bolt--the pendant is only used to lower it and raise it and secure it in the raised position. There is probably no more discussed topic (aside from towing vehicles and outboard motors) in the M archives--search them for more info. Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: Rusty Knorr [mailto:mazemusic@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 7:23 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: New Old M-17 Hey, Howard. Does the centerboard/trunk on the M-15 look and work the same way? Thanks, Rusty --- Howard Audsley <haudsley(a)tranquility.net> wrote: > Bill: > > To get an idea of what it all looks like down there, > take a look at the > centerboard pictures on the MSOG website: > > http://www.msog.org/models/m17/m-17-cb.cfm > > I too have often wondered if the sticking board > problem on some boats is due > to marine growth and not a swelling of the cast iron > ballast in the trunk. > > Howard > M17, #278 > > > On 10/22/03 6:37 PM, "Bill Sylvester" > <wmcsyl1(a)cox.net> wrote: > > > Larry, > > > > The old M-17 has been sitting in her slip, unused, > for over two years. > > I am concerned that some marine critters have > attached themselves to > > the inside of the trunk. If they are hard shelled > they might bind the > > board. How much of the trunk is underwater? If > it is only the first > > couple of inches, there might not be enough growth > to matter. We will > > see. > > > > Thanks, > > Bill > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses!!

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Re: M_Boats: New Old M-17
by Larry Yake 24 Oct '03

24 Oct '03

Bill, Your diver won't be able to see up into the trunk unless the tang broke off the centerboard. It would normally be sitting on the stop bolt, which will have the upper edge of the centerboard still in the trunk. If the tang is broken, and the board is swinging free under the boat, then your diver could tie a new pendant on for you and you can winch it up before you pull her out. Larry On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:09:25 -0700 Bill Sylvester <wmcsyl1(a)cox.net> writes: > Thanks guys, > > It sounds like the trailer trick might just work. I will > have the > diver check inside the trunk to see if there are obstructions in > there > before I try. > When I get her home, I will use Tom's sawmoose idea to do > the repairs. > > Bill and Darcy > M-17 #279 > Endelig > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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bow anchoring
by MC Carpenter 24 Oct '03

24 Oct '03

Going solo,, I would like to handle the anchor line and storage of the hook from the cockpit,, but keep the anchor on a self storing bow davit of some kind,, anyone got pictures of a set-up like this.

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Re: M_Boats: bow anchoring
by chbenneck＠juno.com 24 Oct '03

24 Oct '03

Hi MC I have an M15; I keep the working anchor in the port sail locker and set the anchor from the cockpit. When the anchor is down and holding, I walk the rode to the bow and put it on the cleat. There is no need to do this at the bow. Connie

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selling catalina 27
by Grove777＠aol.com 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

want to sell my catalina 27 for best cash offer so i can buy a montgomery please pass on this info g

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Getting off the Montgomery list for a while
by kirk 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

Hi, Can anybody tell me how to get off the M list for a while. I'm going to be away on business for a few days and I don't want to overwhelm my e mail. Thanks Kirk Hill

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RE: M_Boats: Re: Boat Advise - Thanks!
by Shawn Boles 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

Hi : Look at the Rhodes 22 – This is a fine boat. The only reason I didn’t buy one is that they weigh 3500 pounds. They are available from about $12k (refurbished) to $30k+ (new w/ lots of goodies). Here is url: http://www.rhodes22.com/home.html cheers- Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) -----Original Message----- From: Morris, Giles [mailto:giles.morris@unisys.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 5:50 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: RE: M_Boats: Re: Boat Advise - Thanks! It's the "trailerable" part that's tough. I was very taken with both the Albin Vega and the Contessa 26, but I _really_ wanted standing headroom. I would probably have bought a CD25D had one turned up at the right price, but I was lucky enough to find a Vancouver 25 that is just about perfect for me. I can't begin to imagine handling that much boat on a trailer, though. The M-23 would be nice, of course but (and I hardly like to say this) have you considered something "ordinary" like a Catalina 25? If we exclude standing headroom and a separate head compartment the Compac 23 is rather a nice boat. The Pacific Seacraft 25 is nice, but the PS Dana 24 is (IMHO) much nicer. Or how about a Flicka? Boy, it's fun spending somebody else's money! Giles Morris -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Tate [mailto:gunsblazing@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 9:21 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: Boat Advise - Thanks! Check out the Balboa's ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Frederick <mailto:frederick@law-co.com> To: For and about Montgomery <mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sailboats Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 10:56 AM Subject: M_Boats: Re: Boat Advise - Thanks! Randy, I wouldn't mind seeing comments posted to this group about your request. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Graves <mailto:RandyG@cite.nic.edu> To: For and about Montgomery <mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sailboats Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 9:54 AM Subject: Boat Advise - Thanks! Friends, Beginning in the Summer of 2005 my wife and I will both have summers off and are considering expanding our sailing, both with new destinations and longer trips. As we think about the possibilities I wanted to ask the group for input regarding good old boats for such an adventure. I know many of you have experience on other boats and would appreciate your feedback Our trips would be roughly 4 weeks in length with just the 2 of us. Our target destinations, initially, would be to sail in and around the Pacific North West; San Juan's, Desolation Sound, etc. The boat would need to be trailerable with our 3/4 ton Van with a maximum trailering capacity of 8,100 lbs. Target price range for boat & trailer is $15 - $20,000. Things that are important to us in a boat are; strong & sea worthy, sailable by 1 person, an old boat that we can invest some time and money into and use for many years and in a variety of sailing conditions. A boat that would hold the bulk of its value. In essence; a larger Montgomery! The new 23 is a beauty but out of our price range. I have only seen 2 used 23's on the market. What other boats would you suggest? Names that have surfaced in my reading are; Albin Vega 27, Contessa 26, Pacific Seacraft 25, Cape Dory 25D (some of which exceed the $20,000 target range). Thank you, I look forward to hearing from you. Since this is an off topic discussion for the list, please email me directly. Thank you, Randy Graves RandyG(a)cite.nic.edu <mailto:RandyG@cite.nic.edu> Post Falls, ID M-15 #407 _____ _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: New to List
by chbenneck＠juno.com 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

Hi George, You have a good nose for boats. For many, many years I was a big boat sailor (29' Tripp-Lentsch), but then I came to the conclusion that the home waters were no fun any more: too crowded; no peace and quiet; harbor launches rolling you out of your berth till 1 AM; so we decided to go small, trailerable, and where the big boys can't go. The first boat was a Bolger MICRO, a great boat; - however, stepping a free standing 26 foot spruce mast became more than I could handle (at 78 years of age), so: the MICRO size was right (15'); it was easy to trailer, launch, and retrieve, but now I looked for something with an aluminum mast and shrouds - about the same size. I found a ComPac 16 that needed a lot of TLC. Fixed it up, and sailed it for a few years. But, ................ The ComPac 16 has lousy storage: everything gets pushed back on the berths that extend under the cockpit seats. There are no sail lockers in the cockpit, so anytime you want anything: anchor, fenders, mooring lines, etc, it's dig them out from the berths................. No way to operate a sailboat. Then the ComPac 16 with it's stub keel makes a great deal of leeway when hard on the wind............ That's when I discovered the Montgomery 15, and after all the good words about the boat I heard from the owners via the web site, I bought one sight-unseen in Panama City, FL. All I can say is, it's a great boat for it's size. Lots of good useable storage space - sail lockers in the cockpit, plus inside storage under the berths; No mast support post in the middle of the boat (as in the ComPac). Space for a Portapotti; plus additional storage space under the cockpit sole, that is easily accessible, and in constant use (galley box in an 18" tool box; tools; nav. gear.) It's a sailor's boat, and I thoroughly enjoy sailing it every time I'm out on the water. I find the M15 more than meets my needs, (two adults + grandchildren maybe once a year for day sailing) but the choice M15 - M17 is a function of your age; how many people go sailing; where do you go sailing; and what kind of a vehicle do you have for towing. I tow the M15 with a VW VR6 Jetta wagon; and towed the previous boats: the MICRO and ComPac with a VW VR6 GTI, and a normal 115 HP GOLF. That becomes a factor in the equation: bigger boat that needs a bigger tow vehicle? Ask questions as you refine your choice. We're more than willing to assist with answers and comments. Connie M15 #400 LEPPO ComPac 16 MICRO Northeast 38 Tripp-Lentsch 29

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Re: M_Boats: New to List
by chbenneck＠juno.com 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

Hi George, I'm having two trees taken down at the right front corner of my garage. That's where the M15 usually lives. So, yesterday I put the M15 into the garage - and it fits very nicely. When the tree men get finished with their work, I'll have trouble deciding, leave the M15 in the garage for the winter, or take it out and put the car back there! Connie

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Re: M_Boats: New to List
by NummiJ＠aol.com 23 Oct '03

23 Oct '03

how many boats have been built so far? Thank you This is a great group Dale Nummi Sal-vage Superior WI

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