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RE: [Orb] Complaint from a new subscriber
by John Goerner 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

Theres a manager? -----Original Message----- From: Chris Polson [mailto:whynot2k@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 4:46 PM To: orb-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com Cc: orb(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Orb] Complaint from a new subscriber Dear Orb List Manager: I am very disappointed in this "discussion" list. I use the word "discussion" lightly as most of the emails I've read here are simply shouting matches designed to inflame further arguments. I recently joined the Orb discussion list a few weeks ago. The first week I joined I saw a variety of Orb and music related dialogue. Since then, all I see are flame wars by people with opposing social, political, and economic views. Most of the rhetoric is: a) hyper-masculine, low-brow, poorly written, and ignorant or b) pseudo-intellectual, pretentious, repetitive, and ignorant As someone who lives in the Bay Area of California, I come across both camps of thought in some form or another...EVERYDAY. Our part of the world is inundated with political coversation, some of which I do take part in (when and where it's appropriate!). However, I do not need political rhetoric in a discussion group related to things I do for fun! Is there any way to keep the politics out of the Orb group? --Chris

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Amazing!!!
by David 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

This is amazing... When I subscribed to an Orb mailing list, the last thing that I expected to encounter was a flame war started by healthcare disagreements, followed by a flame war directed at someone that was a MEMBER OF The Orb!!!! We all have something in common. Something inside of our collective brain is *different* than most people. What percentage of people in this world could listen to Orbvs Terrarvm and appreciate the beauty and complexity? Not too many. However, few people on this list could comprehend NOT appreciating an album of that caliber. The US may be divided by the red vs blue mentality, but this list should be able to realize that both red and blue are a part of the same spectrum. They may be opposite ends of the spectrum, but they are both an integral part of the whole. I began listening to The Orb in '95 (When Terrarvm was released). At that time it started out being a great CD for acid trips, but my appreciation for it has lasted long after my acid binges have ceased. When Tim mentioned that this album brought The Orb up to the standards of Zappa and Beethoven he made a good point. I listen to Zappa and Beethoven far more often than I listen to anything even remotely similar to The Orb, yet for some reason The Orb continues to be a permanent fixture on my playlists. Why? Because a great deal of time and effort went into the creation of every track, and it shows (on some tracks more than others, but...) The point of all this bull shit that I've been writing is that The Orb is a truly wonderful thing. The Orb has consisted of a handful of different people, each adding their own spice to the mix, and there is very little Orb material that I do not enjoy. Please, lets make this community a little less... competitive? argumentative? annoying? I'm not sure what needs to be done, but I know that the first step is to keep things on-topic. I understand that the healthcare thing was just someone that was looking for a little assistance/ammunition for an essay or something, but let this be an example of how a light-hearted off-topic post can ruin a community. Think about the poor suckers that are seeing this as their ONLY representation of this group. We are all adults, we are all intelligent, lets prove it with our actions. David

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RE: [Orb] OT songs
by Don Gagen 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

I like the second track best. It reminds me a bit of Jimi Tenor. "There is no greater joy than soaring high on the wings of your dreams, except maybe the joy of watching a dreamer who has nowhere to land but in the ocean of reality." Despair INC. DONALD D GAGEN MAILTO:DGAGEN@ENSEMBLESTUDIOS.COM ENSEMBLE STUDIOS http://www.ensemblestudios.com

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FW: [Orb] RE: Orb Digest, Vol 22, Issue 6
by Tim C 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

LOL. Yeah, bud, I'll take your word for it! a) I seriously doubt LFC was "mess" without "Kwis'"contribution! Album version - written by paterson/glover produced by youth/paterson mixed by youth/paterson engineered by thrash/hunter Aubrey version - (supposedly this was orginal version, disallowed for too much sample usage, if I understand correctly - this is admittedly anecdotal from a DJ friend who discussed it with LX) same as above except no engineering credit and remixed by pal joey Seems the credits are pretty thorough and fair, considering "Thrash" shows up plenty throughout. b) My error on the writing for Terrarvm. I thought he left between Fritz and Terrarvm, but checking now, "Weston" appears all over the credits, and checking interview archives, LX said: "Kris, as a writer, is all over the record, along with myself and Thomas Fehlmann." So, now, the question becomes, why the hell would someone leave such a project? I mean, shit, apparently the Police all hated each other, and I'd have to guess Sting was really the center of all that, but couldn't they put that shit aside? Sting without the Police is only slightly better than Alan Wilder without Depeche Mode (or DM without AW, for that matter). And - I guess Weston wouldn't have had much to sue over since he did get credit! Apparently the song in question is "Montagne D'Or." LX: "Andy actually appears as a writer on 'Montagne D'Or,' but Kris couldn't get his head around the idea that it had derived from another track and that the other people involved should get a credit. In the end we gave him a writing credit, because he was in the studio when pedal-steel guitarist B.J. Cole was putting his licks down!" c) Toxygene rocks, along with pretty much every Orb track. If this really is the Thrash that was involved with the Orb, he should be proud to have been a part of it, as well as regret leaving "Baldy" and crew. However, project contribution that ended ten years ago does NOT give one license to be a brainless twat and expect to get away with it. "You can't throw me to the lions, I'm Charlton Heston!" - Lard T > -----Original Message----- > From: orb-bounces+timc_orb=charter.net(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:orb-bounces+timc_orb=charter.net@mailman.xmission.com] > On Behalf Of Kris Weston > Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 10:05 AM > To: What were the skies like when you were young? > Subject: Re: [Orb] RE: Orb Digest, Vol 22, Issue 6 > > > i didnt make little fluffy clouds > i only programmed the mess they had into something > intelligible... more production role if you like... and mixed > it - and it was a truly awful mix sonically err by the way > terrarum was more my album than alexs fer sure they stole one > of my tracks for that n all.. hmmmm.. it was called zombie > originally but they nicked it and called it something else > cant remember which one it was... and thomas put all these > shitty keyboards over it and not only that edited them up > wrong... i could have taken em to court but bollox couldnt be > bothered that did make me laugh though :-))) > > by twatty fairground music i mean toxygene... > > __ > > kwis > > )) > (( > c[_] scuse the epenthesis > ***************************** > On 8 Dec 2004, at 17:35, Tim C wrote: > > > _______________________________________________ > Orb mailing list > Orb(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb > Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com >

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Fwd: [Orb] RE: Orb Digest, Vol 22, Issue 6
by Kris Weston 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

as for the new york times and this pathetic american ideological warfare where they feel they have to resort to using a word like liberal to brand people and associate lots of bad feelings with it in the media etc.. i see through them... that goes for the new york times im sure they dont openly speak out against israel which is the BIGGEST issue in america and the world today its all the frickin palestinian two legged beasts isnt it...? its all their fault the way they throw stones at those poor IDF soldiers... defenceless with their billions of dollars every year you lot give em... i personally think its totally OK for soldiers to open fire on children who throw stones at them.. completely completely ok would could be better in fact.. some nice child killing ... awesome... in fact if i was in the US i would pay my taxes with glee knowing they are going towards blowing the shit out of some poor defenceless bastard.. and his kids... so i cant imagine why the new york times should be so subversive if anything the opposite they are near enough the mouthpiece of government and business in america if business dont like what a journalist says in the new york times hes out - and its all internalised values that no one ever questions remarkably stupid but hey i havent stopped evolving you guys do what you like __ kwis )) (( c[_] scuse the epenthesis *****************************

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Kompakt (again)
by Felix Atagong 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

Chris Polson mused: .+.+. That said, has anyone heard about the availability of Orb Kompakt tracks on .+.+. CD? I had to give up on vinyl for awhile (until I actually get decent .+.+. turntables again) but I really like the Kompakt stuff I've heard. I'm pretty sure this will get on cd when there is enough material for a full crispy disk. Chance is I will buy it then, I know I'm pathetic... Felix

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OT? Politics and music...
by Alan Evil 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

It is my personal opinion that the United States government has seriously harmed the progression of popular music in this country by failing to properly enforce payola laws and by de-regulating the broadcast media. Can someone tell me the Clear Channel station that will play an Orb song (except as background for a commercial?)? Or even a Chemical Brothers or Fatboy Slim song? ____________________ www.psychicreform.com ____________________ "Be who you are... not what's cool." --Chef.

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Re: [Orb] OT songs
by P J Kane 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

<< Your thoughts? >> song 1: "Michelle". i like what you are doing musically here -- the horns, the laid back jazz feel. however, the voice is way too high in the mix: it overpowers everything else. still, with some proper mixing this could be a really good tune. song 2: "O America" -- IFPR goes rock? i dunno, it sounds okay i guess, just not what i listen to your stuff for. kinda Styx-y i guess. not your best work, in my opinion. however, well, the drumming sounds good. and again the voice is mixed too high... (can you tell that vocals are not why i listen to music?) hope that helps Alan. thanks for sharing... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org

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I can get political rhetoric elsewhere...
by Chris Polson 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

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RE: [Orb] RE: Orb Digest, Vol 22, Issue 6
by Joshua Long 08 Dec '04

08 Dec '04

"you know what.... i really regret making any music at all now i just hope none of these right wingers like any music i made" Why do you think that I'm here? "please please lord - how can i have connected with people like this...?" He does work in mysterious ways _______________________________________________ Orb mailing list Orb(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com _______________________________________________ Orb mailing list Orb(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/orb Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com

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