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RE: [Orb] OT? Politics and music...
by Don Gagen 07 Dec '04

07 Dec '04

Dance and electronic aside, many US bands get airplay in the UK and Europe first. I assume this is because DJs or program directors can play what sounds good rather than going through all the bureaucracy that US stations do. Clear channel stations are the worst of all. I can't tell you how many US bands I heard about because they were getting heavy airplay on UK and European charts 1-2 years before anyone ever heard of them in the US. Here are a few that I can remember off the top of my head The Strokes, The White Stripes, Fischerspooner, The Donnas "There is no greater joy than soaring high on the wings of your dreams, except maybe the joy of watching a dreamer who has nowhere to land but in the ocean of reality." Despair INC. DONALD D GAGEN MAILTO:DGAGEN@ENSEMBLESTUDIOS.COM ENSEMBLE STUDIOS http://www.ensemblestudios.com

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platic orbvs terrarvm
by ORBscureDDJ 07 Dec '04

07 Dec '04

could the two list members who contacted me off-list regarding the plastic sleeve orbvs terrarvm contact me again... ta peeps... OÂ®BsÂ©uÂ®eDDJ http://www.orbscureddj.btinternet.co.uk/orbscureddj.html ++ live and direct via soulseek in room # ++ the ultraworld ++ ++ class of 89-93 - big up the tooting massive ++

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excel file
by Brian Kinney 07 Dec '04

07 Dec '04

Hey there. I once had a MSExcel file that listed all the teatimes and a stack of live shows. I lost it somehow and was wondering if someone could email it to me off the list. A reward is waiting. Thanks!! -- Brian Kinney

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[OT] message for JC
by Smiley 07 Dec '04

07 Dec '04

jc. i've sent you 3-4 emails over the last week, but i don't think you got them! i got one from you the other day, and replied - is there something wrong with your email? cheers, --- Smiley ---------------------------------------- My Inbox is protected by SPAMfighter 142 spam mails have been blocked so far. Download free www.spamfighter.com today!

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Pete Namlook recommendations?
by -<(::jason::)>- 07 Dec '04

07 Dec '04

So I am looking to expand my ambient horizons, and haven't really checked out too much Namlook / Fax stuff. But I am a little overwhelmed by the amount of releases! 84 albums!! Let me start by saying I'm not a huge fan of completely beatless drone music. But I know not all Namlook is like that, and I don't know where to start. I'd like some stuff with beats or textures of some sort (not just 80 minutes of spacey tones). I liked some of the S.H.A.D.O. Stuff, and some of the Fires Of Ork album, but that's about all I know. Any recommendations?? Thanks! :-) _jason_

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Re: [Orb] So Hi! Im new to this list...
by P J Kane 07 Dec '04

07 Dec '04

<< deep deep irony in there somewhere.... oh sorry americans dont know what that is... >> FYI Mr. Weston, but Alanis Morrisette, she of the misappropriate use of the term "irony", is Canadian, not American. :) so how is Kris doign these days? someone said something on here about you having some new tunes up. what gives? i thought you said you were leaving music.... PJK please don't hate me because i can't type..... --- All the cool kids are doing it: HTTP://www.EvilSponge.org

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re: Re: [Orb] re: OT Request
by Alan Evil 07 Dec '04

07 Dec '04

>Message: 6 >Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 18:47:01 -0600 >From: Brian <brian(a)lists.frickster.net> >Subject: Re: [Orb] re: OT Request >To: "Orb Mailing List (XMission)" <orb(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Message-ID: <BDD7B6A5.359F%brian(a)lists.frickster.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Yeah... Those HORRIBLE corporations that make the car you drive, the computer you use, the pot you piss in. Those HORRIBLE corporations that provide the medical services, the medical tools, the MRI that you may someday need... That provide the means for you to even have a fucking job in the first place. Um. I own a small corporation. We can barely afford liability and vehicle insurance. Health insurance is out of reach entirely. Since Bush took office insurance industry profits have tripled. Universities provide me with doctors, advanced medical tools, and developed the MRI. Publicly funded research creates these things. Again, see my previous e-mail. I don't want to work for a large corporation. Corporations are not inherently evil, but they must be controlled and limited or they will become evil. It's the nature of the beast. >Fuck the people who work hard, who create things, who build everything you take for granted. >What a strange logical leap. You just jumped from corporations to individuals. Fuck creativity and invention, and everything that lets you sit here and spew such vile bromides, that are so far removed from logic it makes me laugh. What a strange logical leap. You just jumped from corporations to individuals as if they are one and the same. What "vile bromides" (by the way, "bromides" are a class of chemical) are you talking about? I asked for opinions from people that have "free" public healthcare. You don't qualify. Do you mean I shouldn't question authority? That I should just accept what you believe as the gospel truth and become a true believer just like you? I'm sure the world would be a better place if we would just accepted the neo-cons twisted version of reality and all put on a suit and tie and drive an SUV. >Don't reward the people who get rich because their ideas make this world a better place, but take from them because they have, and give to those who have not. Again your logic is flawed. The majority of "people who get rich" are not those who have the ideas that make this world a better place. "Getting rich" has nothing to do with invention, creativity, or improving the world. By your measure Mother Theresa was a poor piece of shit. Like most of your type money is the only measure of worth and value in this world. >It'll happen sooner than you think. What will happen sooner? ____________________ www.psychicreform.com ____________________ "

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RE: [Orb] re: OT Request
by Alan Evil 06 Dec '04

06 Dec '04

>Message: 5 >Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 16:39:32 -0800 >From: "Tim C" <timc_orb(a)charter.net> >Subject: RE: [Orb] re: OT Request >To: "'What were the skies like when you were young?'" ><orb(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Message-ID: <000001c4da62$e376f250$0200a8c0@ieye1> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >More amazing logic. By throttling capitalism (and getting involved in healthcare at all levels) governments have forced the costs of healthcare to rise. Could you be specific? As best as I can tell the cost of healthcare has been driven up more by greed than "throttling," especially here in the US where the perverted concept of a "free market" (which is myth but I digress) is allowed to be applied to public necessities. Everyone needs healthcare. As the system is now over half of Americans are priced out of it and can only get healthcare by a) waiting until it's way too late and using emergency rooms (thus driving up costs all around and often bankrupting the patients) or b) working for a company that provides health insurance. If you've been paying attention you might have noticed that employer paid health insurance is also vanishing. But then again the neo-con way is, "If you can't afford it, fuck you. Go die." >Without corporations, where the fuck do you think you'd be, anyway? This is another vague and, frankly, stupid statement. All corporations are not equal. Monopolies are inherently flawed. Small corporations in an unregulated market are swallowed by bigger ones, ad nauseum until a monopoly is created. But the main problem I have with your small little mind is that it can't seem to grasp what my statement meant which is I don't want to work for a corporation. I'm a small business owner. Fuck corporations. >Who do you think creates jobs? I thought it was small business owners... but that's just bullshit lipservice from the Bush administration as NOTHING those fuckers do is to help the small business owner. Unless you consider 1000 employees to be small. Large corporations as they grow larger tend to reduce the overall size of their workforce through layoffs as they acquire smaller corporations, thus reducing employment in any given sector. >Where the fuck do you think wealth comes from? I guess it must be the all knowing and beneficient corporations. All hail Enron. Dumbass. >Imagine how inexpensive health care would be without all the regulations (everywhere), unreasonable lawsuits (i.e, breakdown of justice system, particularly in USA), the difficulty in approving new medicines (again, mainly USA here - but of course the good ol' FDA approves things like aspartame), etc. *Sigh* You've been listening to too much Rush Limbaugh, kid. Do you know the main source of lawsuits in the US? Business. That's right, large corporations are responsible for 4/5's of lawsuits. Why is it you neo-cons only want to limit individual lawsuits? Or were you aware of this? Approving medicine: According to a GAO study the FDA is receiving less than half the funding it needs to properly do its job. This is not a fault of regulation (which we have far too little of in my opinion, especially in profitteering and managerial compensation in medicine) it's a fault of neo-cons attempting to destroy social programs by underfunding them. But Stealth bombers (a stupid piece of technology we have no use for whatsoever) are more important than the public health. We obviously should trust large corporations to work in the public interest as they did at Love Canal, 3 Mile Island, or as they did along all major waterways before the EPA. We don't have shit for regulations on our health industry which is the main reason it is so expensive. When an essential service is allowed to be privatized you end up with the minimum amount of said service so if there is a surge in demand the system will collapse. As a nation we should have a robust healthcare system that is prepared to handle a major epidemic. As it is most communities do not have enough hospital beds to deal with ordinary busy periods like holidays. As I said before, you also end up with the prices the "market" will bear which means that at least half of people won't be able to afford any kind of healthcare without risking bankruptcy. >Man, is this you? http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php - go down to "Dancing Moonbats". Fuuuuck. I've got no idea what you're talking about. Looks like some kind of news blog to me. I can't find anything about moonbats or dancing. >Just out of curiosity, what ISP are you accessing the Internet (which, of course, magically coalesced from a fart emitted by Al Gore) with? What does this have to do with this, exactly? I have a choice of two ISPs that offer DSL connections and their billing rates are identical. If I wanted cable internet I could use... ONE source, but I don't watch television. I would like to point out that Gore's statement about inventing the internet has been taken out of context. If you pull your head out of your ass and do some research you would find out that Al Gore was the main sponsor and driving force behind the budgetting that created the internet. That's right, it was created by the government using public funds. Why are you using it then? Obviously government can do nothing right in your opinion so aren't you a bit of a hyporcrit for using it? And you should only use privately owned and created highways. Oh, and be sure to never use electricity in a rural setting. Why oh why bother, though? You're going to ignore anything logical and continue to chant your dogmatic views to yourself, reinforcing them with Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. Despite any evidence contrary to your dogma you'll keep believing the neo-con mythology until you find yourself standing on the ledge after the next Black Friday. We're setting ourselves up for the same massive collapse that occurred 80 years ago by telling ourselves we can do what they did without fucking it up and since it's probably people like you that will be making the decisions the collapse will happen and you'll be really surprised by it. ____________________ www.psychicreform.com ____________________ "Be who you are... not what's cool." --Chef.

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RE: Orb Digest, Vol 22, Issue 4
by Ken Erxleben 06 Dec '04

06 Dec '04

yeah....."healthcare" didn't need to be mentioned here at all in the first place but for the guy who did and keeps pointing the finger at his perverted obsession - the "neo cons" --->it's quite obvious where you sit politcally and that you are one of many libs that are ready to cry about bush for another 4 years. YOU LOST BITCH simply put - the majority of this country doesn't agree with you....and your party is losing touch with the population more and more every day perhaps YOU need to do some rethinking and either way .....THIS IS AN ORB FORUM! sorry for the OT rant.......stupid libs really piss me off though ;)

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The Thrashhole Kid returns!
by Alan Evil 06 Dec '04

06 Dec '04

So, Kris baby, you had your tongue up any assholes this week? Just curious. I've heard you may have had something to do with an album lately. Wanna tell us about it? ____________________ www.psychicreform.com ____________________ "Be who you are... not what's cool." --Chef.

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