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M17 vs M15 (Peter Zimowsky)
by Rusty Knorr 08 Mar '19

08 Mar '19

Hey Peter, My suggestion is keep the 15 at all costs because you will just end up replacing it if you sell it. Been there, done that! If you’re looking for more boat for a 2 week cruise in the islands just charter something. Get a 30 or 40 footer and stretch out for those 2 weeks and enjoy yourself, and especially enjoy the diesel and roomy cabin for the San Juan summer where the wind is light and the sun is hot. Host parties on the boat for bikini clad beauties, just don’t talk about it on the M15, it might get jealous. -Rusty Knorr M15 “Vanilla” www.rustyknorr.weebly.com

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M17 vs M15
by David Grah 08 Mar '19

08 Mar '19

Not to take issue, but I believe my 1985 or 1986 Montgomery 15 has steel ballast and it has never caused a bit of problem nor bit of worry from me. I would acknowledge that lead ballast might be preferred, but would dispute that it is the only way to go. We love our steel ballasted 15! Videos to prove it: https://www.youtube.com/user/dgrah/videos?view=0&sort=dd&shelf_id=0 David GrahBishop California Message: 6 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 10:26:51 -0500 From: islandergirl80(a)yahoo.com To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 vs M15 Message-ID: <F60521E9-EB03-4821-8F2C-5CE96D2CA329(a)yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 All great input. Some thoughts. Lead ballast boats, only way to go. I had an 1985. Bought her knowing board was stuck. Wasn?t a huge care. Would get around to it someday. Maybe. Where I sail, board would be up most of time. Worked on board once in a while, never making progress. Sailed her a couple years until, I decided to take one of the many outstanding offers to buy her at the local ramp. New owner was fully knowledgeable of stuck board but didn?t care either. Sent from my iPhone

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M17 vs M15
by Peter Zimowsky 08 Mar '19

08 Mar '19

Hi all: I have a M15 which I love foe ease of local sailing; however since I’m doing more trips in the SJs I think I need a M17. It’s the age old debate. Small boat for 51 weeks of local sailing vs one or two weeks of island hopping. Should I think of trading the M15 for a 17 Pete Chinook Breeze; 377 Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:44, Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> wrote: > > Capt David > > I did it about 10 yrs ago > I will look for pic > Capt Jim > > > > >> On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:07 AM, David Eisner via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >> >> Jim,Do you have pictures of your repairs?David EisnerDancer M-15 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Tue, Mar 5, 2019 8:33 am >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard >> >> Skipper >> On my M15 the steel ballast in the centerboard and keel rusted and expanded. To get the centerboard down I fabricated a puller >> I then replaced the CB with a lead filled board and replaced the keel ballast with lead. >> If you what more details sand me an email >> >> Captain Dos Colitas >> Skipper sailing vessel Pelican M-15 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Burton Lowry >> Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:23 PM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard >> >> Hi James, >> >> Before you do something so drastic as to start cutting-- if it is rust that is the problem you may be able to do it chemically. I almost had to do this once.... Was going to pack the keel slot from underneath with clay to make it watertight, then fill it from above with something to eat rust. If not in a hurry, high sulfur molasses does a great job, and so will coca cola., vinegar, etc. You can go on Youtube and see the recipe on the >> molasses-- five gallons from the feed store is cheap and will last a lifetime it seems. Thinned down... I've de-rusted a lot of stuff that way... just gotta' stir it around a bit every few days. Amazing. Stinks. >> I keep a 55 gallon plastic barrel ready to go with the stuff-- seems to last forever. >> >> --Burt in Maine >> >>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 5:14 PM James Hymes <jamesehymes(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> My CB has been stuck the past several times I've taken her (#69 >>> M17(Not >>> Coyote- I believe the boat named Coyote has the same number as mine, >>> but was modified for racing - doesn't have a full cabin--but that 's >>> not important right now). anyways, I drilled a 3/4" hole in the >>> cockpit floor just aft of the doorway into the cabin above the CB . >>> Drilled it there so that the steel rod will have good contact with the >>> top of the stuck CB. I used a steel rod and a 10 lb sledgehammer, >>> floated the boat but kept it on the trailer at the boat ramp. I was >>> able to lower the CB a little, didn't have the motor so didn't want to >>> have to struggle getting the boat back on the trailer in the wind - >>> since it was not in open water I didn't get to see if it would drop >>> all the way, will find that out next time. The last time I did sail >>> with the CB up, it was too windy, and I was uncomfortable with the >>> amount of heeling it did and also didnt point so well. I'm extremely >>> hopefull the CB will drop all the way, cause if not I'll take ti and >>> lift the boat on land and try wiggling the CB out while hitting it >>> from above, may have to get drastic and cut open the keel and dig out the old steel slugs and replace with lead ballast - something I hope to avoid. >>> If it works out, I'll put in some sort of plastic with a removable cap for >>> the steel rod to fit into. I'll repost to let ya'll know if the sledge >>> works. Jim in Denton Texas >>> >

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Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard
by David Eisner 07 Mar '19

07 Mar '19

Jim,Do you have pictures of your repairs?David EisnerDancer M-15 -----Original Message----- From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Mar 5, 2019 8:33 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard Skipper On my M15 the steel ballast in the centerboard and keel rusted and expanded. To get the centerboard down I fabricated a puller I then replaced the CB with a lead filled board and replaced the keel ballast with lead. If you what more details sand me an email Captain Dos Colitas Skipper sailing vessel Pelican M-15 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Burton Lowry Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:23 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard Hi James, Before you do something so drastic as to start cutting-- if it is rust that is the problem you may be able to do it chemically. I almost had to do this once.... Was going to pack the keel slot from underneath with clay to make it watertight, then fill it from above with something to eat rust. If not in a hurry, high sulfur molasses does a great job, and so will coca cola., vinegar, etc. You can go on Youtube and see the recipe on the molasses-- five gallons from the feed store is cheap and will last a lifetime it seems. Thinned down... I've de-rusted a lot of stuff that way... just gotta' stir it around a bit every few days. Amazing. Stinks. I keep a 55 gallon plastic barrel ready to go with the stuff-- seems to last forever. --Burt in Maine On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 5:14 PM James Hymes <jamesehymes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > My CB has been stuck the past several times I've taken her (#69 > M17(Not > Coyote- I believe the boat named Coyote has the same number as mine, > but was modified for racing - doesn't have a full cabin--but that 's > not important right now). anyways, I drilled a 3/4" hole in the > cockpit floor just aft of the doorway into the cabin above the CB . > Drilled it there so that the steel rod will have good contact with the > top of the stuck CB. I used a steel rod and a 10 lb sledgehammer, > floated the boat but kept it on the trailer at the boat ramp. I was > able to lower the CB a little, didn't have the motor so didn't want to > have to struggle getting the boat back on the trailer in the wind - > since it was not in open water I didn't get to see if it would drop > all the way, will find that out next time. The last time I did sail > with the CB up, it was too windy, and I was uncomfortable with the > amount of heeling it did and also didnt point so well. I'm extremely > hopefull the CB will drop all the way, cause if not I'll take ti and > lift the boat on land and try wiggling the CB out while hitting it > from above, may have to get drastic and cut open the keel and dig out the old steel slugs and replace with lead ballast - something I hope to avoid. > If it works out, I'll put in some sort of plastic with a removable cap for > the steel rod to fit into. I'll repost to let ya'll know if the sledge > works. Jim in Denton Texas >

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Sailboat for sale listing #1078 7-19-17
by Kirby Stross 06 Mar '19

06 Mar '19

Please take down Montgomery 17 sailboat for sale July 2017. I bought Dave Weber’s M-17 in Superior, Wisconsin a week before his untimely death. His obit is listed in Duluth News Tribune May 23, 2017. If you require more info call me at 218-969-9763 Best Kirby Stross M-17. Hull 395 Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 193, Issue 3
by Kevin Acheson 06 Mar '19

06 Mar '19

I believe that there was a piece of plywood tying the starboard and Port wedge blocks to each other. The wedge block are screwed into the plywood, so they can't shift outward. then there are separate stacks of cinder blocks under the plywood. -Kevin Acheson M15 "Picolo" On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 11:01 AM < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2019 11:46:18 -0800 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: lifting a Montgomery 15 > Message-ID: <0f01f0c2-d6d9-fccb-a1e2-9bfe79a91716(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Just looked at the page on the MSOG site, I see that's to get it off the > trailer for bunk replacement. Obviously using the bunks to support cross > beams or stacked 2x6 would not work for that need. > But could get it high enough to drop CB for example. > > My one concern about the lifting method on the MSOG site - is there > anything tying the two rear hull supports together, laterally across the > hull? > I can't see anything like that in the pics (but it may be there, and > hidden?). > > There is at least some lateral force (outward, away from the hull) on > those wedges on top of those stacks of CMUs, because boat weight is on > those wedges. > A risk would be that the lateral force would cause the support to > collapse sideways away from the hull. Even a mild bump of the boat could > trigger it. Squirt the wedges out, or the whole stack of blocks goes > down outwards, etc. > > So I would be sure to tie the rear support wedges together. Fastening > them securely to a cross-piece would do, even just a 2x6 laid flat. That > way the 2x6 holds them vs. the outward lateral force. The vertical > supports then feel only vertical force. > > And...I wouldn't use CMUs for supports if my life depended on it, which > it might if I were under or near under the boat and one failed. > > cheers, > John > > > ******************************** >

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Re: M_Boats: lifting a Montgomery 15
by Dave Scobie 05 Mar '19

05 Mar '19

Alex: Check out methods on - MSOGphotosite.com Search for 'lifting' :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 5:25 PM Alex Conley <conley.alex(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Any recommendations on how to block an M15 up from its trailer to see/tend > to the centerboard? I was all ready to splash her to make sire the board > operates well when the world froze solid for an extra month.... > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 3:46 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Jim: > > > > When was the last time the centerboard was dropped and sandblasted? Rust > > scale on the cast iron board can stick it in the trunk. > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > :: M6'8" #650 > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 3:14 PM James Hymes <jamesehymes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > My CB has been stuck the past several times I've taken her (#69 M17(Not > > > Coyote- I believe the boat named Coyote has the same number as mine, > but > > > was modified for racing - doesn't have a full cabin--but that 's not > > > important right now). anyways, I drilled a 3/4" hole in the cockpit > > floor > > > just aft of the doorway into the cabin above the CB . Drilled it there > > so > > > that the steel rod will have good contact with the top of the stuck > CB. I > > > used a steel rod and a 10 lb sledgehammer, floated the boat but kept it > > on > > > the trailer at the boat ramp. I was able to lower the CB a little, > > didn't > > > have the motor so didn't want to have to struggle getting the boat back > > on > > > the trailer in the wind - since it was not in open water I didn't get > to > > > see if it would drop all the way, will find that out next time. The > last > > > time I did sail with the CB up, it was too windy, and I was > uncomfortable > > > with the amount of heeling it did and also didnt point so well. I'm > > > extremely hopefull the CB will drop all the way, cause if not I'll take > > ti > > > and lift the boat on land and try wiggling the CB out while hitting it > > > from above, may have to get drastic and cut open the keel and dig out > > the > > > old steel slugs and replace with lead ballast - something I hope to > > avoid. > > > If it works out, I'll put in some sort of plastic with a removable cap > > for > > > the steel rod to fit into. I'll repost to let ya'll know if the > sledge > > > works. Jim in Denton Texas > > > > > >

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Re: M_Boats: centerboard pin
by Dave Scobie 05 Mar '19

05 Mar '19

The pin working can happen. A cause is the centerboard being down when not sailing as it will rock causing the pin the move. Best to raise the board when anchored, at a buoy and at the dock. Tapping it back into place is the fix. 'butter' the ends of the pin with 3M 4200 or Sikiaflex 291. A 1" diameter blob will do the trick. As you 'distressed the edges' a negative result can be when the board needs to be serviced the holes will be forced to a larger diameter and the pin will be very loose. A larger pin will be needed and the board's rotation hole adjusted. Or the holes in the keel rebuild to be made the original size. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Tue, Mar 5, 2019, 8:36 AM Peter W. Kick via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > M-Folks, Had a scare recently. After sailing my M17 for 6 weeks in the > Keys, I pulled the boat and to my horror sawthat the CB pivot pin was > sticking out of the keel...sticking out about an inch on the port side and > seeming ready to fall out.Whats the remedy? Glass it in place, I suppose? > Anybody have a similar experience? I tapped it back in easily and > distressed the edges lightly with a screwdriver and it's tight now...but > what if!!!CheerspeterSV Bird Girl >

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Possible solution for stuck centerboard
by James Hymes 05 Mar '19

05 Mar '19

My CB has been stuck the past several times I've taken her (#69 M17(Not Coyote- I believe the boat named Coyote has the same number as mine, but was modified for racing - doesn't have a full cabin--but that 's not important right now). anyways, I drilled a 3/4" hole in the cockpit floor just aft of the doorway into the cabin above the CB . Drilled it there so that the steel rod will have good contact with the top of the stuck CB. I used a steel rod and a 10 lb sledgehammer, floated the boat but kept it on the trailer at the boat ramp. I was able to lower the CB a little, didn't have the motor so didn't want to have to struggle getting the boat back on the trailer in the wind - since it was not in open water I didn't get to see if it would drop all the way, will find that out next time. The last time I did sail with the CB up, it was too windy, and I was uncomfortable with the amount of heeling it did and also didnt point so well. I'm extremely hopefull the CB will drop all the way, cause if not I'll take ti and lift the boat on land and try wiggling the CB out while hitting it from above, may have to get drastic and cut open the keel and dig out the old steel slugs and replace with lead ballast - something I hope to avoid. If it works out, I'll put in some sort of plastic with a removable cap for the steel rod to fit into. I'll repost to let ya'll know if the sledge works. Jim in Denton Texas

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Re: M_Boats: puller for stuck centerboard
by Dave Scobie 04 Mar '19

04 Mar '19

Tyler: Be great if you shared details and any additional pictures on MSOGphotosite.com for others to easily access. :-) :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Mon, Mar 4, 2019, 5:34 PM <casioqv(a)usermail.com> wrote: > On my M15 I tried hammering a rod down from the top, and it caused a lot > of damage to the inside of the centerboard trunk that took a lot of work to > fix once I got the keel down, but it didn't move the centerboard at all. I > would really strongly recommend against continuing with that course of > action. > > What worked for me was building a puller and pulling down from the bottom, > per a design posted by Captain Jim Sadler on this board. I am attaching the > photos of the puller I made with just a dremel and standard hardware store > parts. > > Sincerely, > Tyler >

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