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More M17 rigging
by Gerry Lempicki 19 Mar '19

19 Mar '19

Thanks for the replies so far. All that info has been helpful. Also, I just found out I lied! I did find a milk crate loaded with lines and blocks had slid back in the quarter berth. Let me explain a little more about what I am doing. I got this boat reasonably (I think) because it needs a mast (it looks like it fell or was dropped). I'm also new to sailing, so all the terms and parts are new to me although I've been reading like crazy and trying to put together what I read with what I see. (I did join a club for this coming year, and have some people to mentor me, but they have not seen the M17 yet, nor are they intimately familiar with the M-17 rigging. That said, when I get the new mast, I'd like to incorporate any changes that should be done at that time. I'm within driving distance of Dwyer, so I'll go out there with my mast and get the new one ordered. My boom has a gooseneck that slides in the mast slot. Once inserted in the widened area, it can slide up or down; what is the correct place for the boom on the mast, and what keeps it there? And what holds the back of the boom up with the sail down or reefed? Was there originally a topping lift to the masthead? The aft end of my boom has a short piece of line that is long enough to reach the ring in the backstay arrangement; maybe they tied it there?The gooseneck appears to have a spot for the tack, a reefing hook, and an eyelet on the bottom. My mainsail has slugs/slides on the luff, and a boltrope on the foot. I've read of people having trouble with the slugs coming out of the opening in it's stock position, and I'm wondering if there is a better spot to have the opening machined. And speaking of a new mast, I assume I should stay with the same length if I'm using the same sails? My mast is 21'4" (extrusion only, not including masthead). I want to get new standing rigging too, so this would be the time to make any changes. My rigging seems to be the original style with oval swage sleeves. I might stay with that style unless there is a good reason to change it all over. I took a series of photos in order to clarify and ask some more specific questions; is there a good way to share them with the list? Are you all on the FB group? Thanks again!Gerry

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photo attachment test
by Gerry Lempicki 19 Mar '19

19 Mar '19

I haven't tried attaching a photo to a mail list server before. If this works, maybe someone can confirm the intended use of all the attachment points. Is the port lower cleat for jib halyard and starboard for main halyard? Then what about the eye straps on the port side and the composite cleats opposite them on the starboard side? I appreciate all the help!

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M-17 Rigging Instructions?
by Gerry Lempicki 19 Mar '19

19 Mar '19

Hi everyone, I bought a 1974 M17 over the winter. It needs some work to be ready to go. I’m figuring some things out, but I am confused about how the running rigging was originally run and set up. And actually what size/material was used too. The sheaves in the masthead have fairly small grooves. It doesn’t appear that I got any halyards or lines with the boat. I see the rigging instructions for the M-15; is there anything similar out there for the M-17? I’ve had no luck searching. Or a list of materials needed to replace all running rigging? Thanks for any input on this. Gerry

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 Rigging Instructions?
by Dave Scobie 19 Mar '19

19 Mar '19

Peter. Best recommendation is to take the current set to a rigging shop and have them duplicated. West Marine, for example, will do this. The basics, as shared by Jerry Montgomery, are - 1/8" 1X19 316 stainless wire with a thimbled loop on top, and a swaged marine eye on the bottom. "Regarding the Montgomery 15: the only change I ever made to the standing rigging during the production life of the boat was to increase the length of the forestay about an inch and shorten the shrouds about half that much. Initially, there was an amazing coincidence in that all three wires were nearly the same length; plenty close enough so that the stay adjusters would take up the difference if the forestay was set in one of the last two holes. Only problem was that new sailors would try to balance all the wires to as close to the center of the adjusters as possible which set up the mast too plumb; the 15 sails best with the mast raked aft. As soon as I became aware that people were doing this I simply lengthened the forestay and shortened the shrouds, encouraging owners to set up the mast with a little rake. I hate to see Montgomery boats going slow!" :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Tue, Mar 19, 2019, 7:04 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Hi guys: > Is there a spec sheet available for M15s like the one posted for M17s? > I’ve been replacing my shrouds and forestay and want to make sure I’m > doing it right. > Thanks, > > Pete Winter Sky > (Zimowsky) >

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New Mast
by David Anderson 18 Mar '19

18 Mar '19

After 30 years of trailering a sailboat, I made a rookie mistake and hit an overhead object with the mast. Hence, I need a new mast. Does anyone have specifications that I can give to a mast provider such as Dyer for a 1981 Montgomery 15? or, Does anyone know where else I can order a mast for the 15? Thanks, David Anderson

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 for sale near Orlando, FL, USA
by bownez＠juno.com 18 Mar '19

18 Mar '19

I agree Larry! Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Popcorn Does This To Your Brain (Proof) clearstateofmind.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5c8f9217239f012161653st03vuc

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M-15 for sale near Orlando, FL, USA
by Charlie Fortner 17 Mar '19

17 Mar '19

Not mine. I don't know anything about it. This has been popping up in my craigslist searches for a month now. https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/boa/d/winter-park-sailboat/6820584763.html This ad has only recently had the manufacturer listed. For a long time it was only listed as a sail boat. It was that shapely stern and lovely lapstrakes that caught my eye as I was scrolling through the pictures. Charlie -- Earth, USA, GA, Atlanta M15 #411

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 193, Issue 5
by Kirby Stross 10 Mar '19

10 Mar '19

m15 vs M17....M-15 bunks easier to crawl into than M-17 because of M-17 deck support stanchion inside cabin. Best Kirby S. M-17hull 395 On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:01 PM < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. M17 vs M15 (Peter Zimowsky) > 2. Re: M17 vs M15 (Bob Eeg) > 3. Re: M17 vs M15 (Lawrence Winiarski) > 4. Re: M17 vs M15 (John Schinnerer) > 5. Re: M17 vs M15 (Peter Zimowsky) > 6. Re: M17 vs M15 (islandergirl80(a)yahoo.com) > 7. Re: M17 vs M15 (Thomas Buzzi) > 8. Re: M17 vs M15 (Douglas Kelch) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 19:35:49 -0800 > From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: M17 vs M15 > Message-ID: <62D24DB5-4B02-4588-B7AF-B96040609716(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi all: > I have a M15 which I love foe ease of local sailing; however since I?m > doing more trips in the SJs I think I need a M17. It?s the age old debate. > Small boat for 51 weeks of local sailing vs one or two weeks of island > hopping. Should I think of trading the M15 for a 17 > Pete > Chinook Breeze; 377 > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:44, Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> wrote: > > > > Capt David > > > > I did it about 10 yrs ago > > I will look for pic > > Capt Jim > > > > > > > > > >> On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:07 AM, David Eisner via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >> > >> Jim,Do you have pictures of your repairs?David EisnerDancer M-15 > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> > >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >> Sent: Tue, Mar 5, 2019 8:33 am > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard > >> > >> Skipper > >> On my M15 the steel ballast in the centerboard and keel rusted and > expanded. To get the centerboard down I fabricated a puller > >> I then replaced the CB with a lead filled board and replaced the keel > ballast with lead. > >> If you what more details sand me an email > >> > >> Captain Dos Colitas > >> Skipper sailing vessel Pelican M-15 > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com> > On Behalf Of Burton Lowry > >> Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:23 PM > >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard > >> > >> Hi James, > >> > >> Before you do something so drastic as to start cutting-- if it is rust > that is the problem you may be able to do it chemically. I almost had to > do this once.... Was going to pack the keel slot from underneath with clay > to make it watertight, then fill it from above with something to eat rust. > If not in a hurry, high sulfur molasses does a great job, and so will coca > cola., vinegar, etc. You can go on Youtube and see the recipe on the > >> molasses-- five gallons from the feed store is cheap and will last a > lifetime it seems. Thinned down... I've de-rusted a lot of stuff that > way... just gotta' stir it around a bit every few days. Amazing. Stinks. > >> I keep a 55 gallon plastic barrel ready to go with the stuff-- seems to > last forever. > >> > >> --Burt in Maine > >> > >>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 5:14 PM James Hymes <jamesehymes(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> My CB has been stuck the past several times I've taken her (#69 > >>> M17(Not > >>> Coyote- I believe the boat named Coyote has the same number as mine, > >>> but was modified for racing - doesn't have a full cabin--but that 's > >>> not important right now). anyways, I drilled a 3/4" hole in the > >>> cockpit floor just aft of the doorway into the cabin above the CB . > >>> Drilled it there so that the steel rod will have good contact with the > >>> top of the stuck CB. I used a steel rod and a 10 lb sledgehammer, > >>> floated the boat but kept it on the trailer at the boat ramp. I was > >>> able to lower the CB a little, didn't have the motor so didn't want to > >>> have to struggle getting the boat back on the trailer in the wind - > >>> since it was not in open water I didn't get to see if it would drop > >>> all the way, will find that out next time. The last time I did sail > >>> with the CB up, it was too windy, and I was uncomfortable with the > >>> amount of heeling it did and also didnt point so well. I'm extremely > >>> hopefull the CB will drop all the way, cause if not I'll take ti and > >>> lift the boat on land and try wiggling the CB out while hitting it > >>> from above, may have to get drastic and cut open the keel and dig > out the old steel slugs and replace with lead ballast - something I hope to > avoid. > >>> If it works out, I'll put in some sort of plastic with a removable cap > for > >>> the steel rod to fit into. I'll repost to let ya'll know if the sledge > >>> works. Jim in Denton Texas > >>> > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 04:08:11 +0000 > From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> > To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com>, For and about Montgomery > Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 vs M15 > Message-ID: > < > MWHPR1701MB19366B7493719DA1D92BF472B74D0(a)MWHPR1701MB1936.namprd17.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Pete > > Get one built after 1995. Bring a magnet with you to make sure Lead > ballast. > > Bob.... > > > [image1.jpeg] > > Sent from my iPad > > On Mar 7, 2019, at 7:36 PM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com<mailto: > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> wrote: > > Hi all: > I have a M15 which I love foe ease of local sailing; however since I?m > doing more trips in the SJs I think I need a M17. It?s the age old debate. > Small boat for 51 weeks of local sailing vs one or two weeks of island > hopping. Should I think of trading the M15 for a 17 > Pete > Chinook Breeze; 377 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:44, Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com<mailto: > jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com>> wrote: > > Capt David > > I did it about 10 yrs ago > I will look for pic > Capt Jim > > > > > On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:07 AM, David Eisner via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com<mailto: > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> wrote: > > Jim,Do you have pictures of your repairs?David EisnerDancer M-15 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com<mailto: > jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com>> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com<mailto: > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > Sent: Tue, Mar 5, 2019 8:33 am > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard > > Skipper > On my M15 the steel ballast in the centerboard and keel rusted and > expanded. To get the centerboard down I fabricated a puller > I then replaced the CB with a lead filled board and replaced the keel > ballast with lead. > If you what more details sand me an email > > Captain Dos Colitas > Skipper sailing vessel Pelican M-15 > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > <mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com>> On Behalf Of > Burton Lowry > Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:23 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com<mailto: > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard > > Hi James, > > Before you do something so drastic as to start cutting-- if it is rust > that is the problem you may be able to do it chemically. I almost had to > do this once.... Was going to pack the keel slot from underneath with clay > to make it watertight, then fill it from above with something to eat rust. > If not in a hurry, high sulfur molasses does a great job, and so will coca > cola., vinegar, etc. You can go on Youtube and see the recipe on the > molasses-- five gallons from the feed store is cheap and will last a > lifetime it seems. Thinned down... I've de-rusted a lot of stuff that > way... just gotta' stir it around a bit every few days. Amazing. Stinks. > I keep a 55 gallon plastic barrel ready to go with the stuff-- seems to > last forever. > > --Burt in Maine > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 5:14 PM James Hymes <jamesehymes(a)gmail.com<mailto: > jamesehymes(a)gmail.com>> wrote: > > My CB has been stuck the past several times I've taken her (#69 > M17(Not > Coyote- I believe the boat named Coyote has the same number as mine, > but was modified for racing - doesn't have a full cabin--but that 's > not important right now). anyways, I drilled a 3/4" hole in the > cockpit floor just aft of the doorway into the cabin above the CB . > Drilled it there so that the steel rod will have good contact with the > top of the stuck CB. I used a steel rod and a 10 lb sledgehammer, > floated the boat but kept it on the trailer at the boat ramp. I was > able to lower the CB a little, didn't have the motor so didn't want to > have to struggle getting the boat back on the trailer in the wind - > since it was not in open water I didn't get to see if it would drop > all the way, will find that out next time. The last time I did sail > with the CB up, it was too windy, and I was uncomfortable with the > amount of heeling it did and also didnt point so well. I'm extremely > hopefull the CB will drop all the way, cause if not I'll take ti and > lift the boat on land and try wiggling the CB out while hitting it > from above, may have to get drastic and cut open the keel and dig out > the old steel slugs and replace with lead ballast - something I hope to > avoid. > If it works out, I'll put in some sort of plastic with a removable cap for > the steel rod to fit into. I'll repost to let ya'll know if the sledge > works. Jim in Denton Texas > > > > >

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Rig experimenting
by Rusty Knorr 09 Mar '19

09 Mar '19

Hey all. Just curious if anyone knows of a lug rigged M15. I think it would be a fun experiment! Not sure if the mast placement would work though. Thoughts? Rusty M15 “Vanilla”

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M15 spinnaker pole
by Dave Scobie 09 Mar '19

09 Mar '19

I clearing out storage and found my old M15's spinnaker pole! Very good condition and needs a new home. Free to a MSOG member - please pay shipping if you can't pick up (I'm in greater Seattle area). Pole is 80" long. Pictures attached. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com

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