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Re: M_Boats: Cockpit Drains
by W David Scobie 01 Dec '12

01 Dec '12

Skip and others reading: when Jerry re-tooled the M17 in the early 80s he raised the cockpit floor deck just a bit v. the original cockpit to help avoid water coming in and help water drain faster. this is also when the 'two aft drains' were added v. the single located aft center. Jerry could have raised the the cockit floor a lot higher and ended up with an uncomfortably shallow footwell ... meaning your knees are up by your ears. or, you raise the cockpit seats (and cockpit combings) resulting in more windage. everything is a tradeoff. lots of discussion of solutions to avoid wet feet on this listproc and the trailersailor.com forum. many have installed teak (J.O. Woodworks makes them for the M17) or 'dri-dek' cockpit floor grates. Bob's solution with the seacocks and/or valves on the transom are also valid. i wear boat sandals (when warm) or boots (when cold). each M17 seems to have a bit different 'water in the cockpit' behavior. SWEET PEA (has the 'new' cockpit design) doesn't have much water, but her drains are below the waterline and the stock tubes installed by Jerry were replaced by her prior prior (the person before the person before me) and in a slightly different configuration. (on a side note it is important that the older M17 cockpit drain hoses are check as they are aluminum! as the 'newest' M17 with these drain hoses is at, or past, 20 years old they must be replaced.) in my opinion the 'wet feet' issue is not a fault (i've stated this many times over the years), just a behavior of the M17 (and the M15) in certain situations ... a combination of sea state, boat weight distribution, and how the boat is being driven (motored or sailed; fast or slow). :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred --- On Sat, 12/1/12, William Campion <wcampion(a)aol.com> wrote: > > Dave, > Check your last sentence. It's a good thing you don't > market for Bob! lol > > Skip > > On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:36 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > what you describe is normal for the M17 in certain > situation, especially when motoring. > > > > i'm guessing you have looked ... Bob has installed > seacocks on some of the 17 cockpit drains. these will > be located in the aft lazarette locker. the seacocks > will stop the water coming in when closed; but water will > not go out if the boat gets pooped or when in rains (one of > those tradeoff things). > > > > others have vales on the transom that will limit, but > not eliminate, water coming through the cockpit drains. > > > > use the contact information on the nor'sea www-site to > contact Bob. he will have a build list that outlines > what items were on the boat when she left the shop. > > > > the best way to limit water entering the cockpit is > making sure you keep weight forward. crew should be > sitting near the cabin/cockpit bulkhead. the person at > the helm should sit just aft of the mainsheet > traveler. don't load heavy items in the aft > lazarette. > > > > with all the above stated you need not worry the boat > will sink ... just wet feet. > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 12/1/12, Karen Saville <karen.saville(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> > >> We have a Montgomery 17, 2006, and > >> when our boat is heeling or motoring the cockpit > drains back > >> siphon water into the cockpit. Are these > one-way valves? > >> And is it normal to back siphon or are these > valves > >> defective? Any help or answers would be > appreciated!!! > >> Thanks! > >> > > > >

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Re: M_Boats: Cockpit Drains
by bownez＠juno.com 01 Dec '12

01 Dec '12

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FW: Welcome to the "montgomery_boats" mailing list
by George R. Iemmolo 30 Nov '12

30 Nov '12

I am new to list looking for Montgomery 15 Living in Valparaiso, Indiana for the past 6 years having moved here from Lancaster PA to be nearer children (1 Boy; 3 Girls) grandchildren (2 Boys; 3 Girls).great grandchildren (1 Boy; 2 Girls and one in the oven:-)) I have been happily married to the same gal for 56 years and am 80 years young. Sailing Background Boats: 193? Old Town Canoe with Sailing Rig 20' - 1951-1953 197? Rhodes 19'- 1987-1990 1987 Seaward 23'- 1997-2002 1995 Alerion Express 28'- 2003-2005 2001 West Weight Potter 15'- 2006-2007 1979 Pearson 23 - 2008- 2012 Sailing Bio: Crewed on 25'-38' boats as 1st Mate, Upper Middle and Lower Chesapeake Bay, from North East MD to Norfolk, VI; Florida West Coast, from Tampa Bay to Key West; Lake Erie, from Buffalo, NY to Port Clinton, OH; Lake Michigan from Traverse City to Mackinac Island; Green Bay from Sturgeon Bay, WI to Escanaba, MI; Long Island Sound from City Island, NY to Montauk, LI, Block Island /Rhode Island Sound, from Groton, CN to Newport, RI; Indiana Inland Lakes Area of Expertise: Mast raising system (25' max); Leading all Lines aft to Cockpit; install Retractable Lazy Jack system; install Jib Downhaul system; install Single Line Main Reefing System; install Roller Furling System. Cruising Grounds: Presently Lower Eastern Lake Michigan out of Michigan City Indiana Marina, previously North East River and Upper Chesapeake Bay out of North East River Yacht Club Modifications: Last Boat Purchased 1979 Pearson 23 in Aug of 2008 splashed spring of 2009. Main modified to Full Battens & Main sail cover, New canvas cover on roller furled Genoa, all by Sail Care. All lines led aft, installed Lazy Jacks and Single Line Reefing System, installed OB controls in Cockpit. New Cabin cushions Port, Starboard and V Berths, 2 Bilge Pumps installed Automatic and Manual Sold in July of 2012 George We can not control the Wind But we can adjust our Sails Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:14 PM To: griemmolo2(a)gmail.com Subject: Welcome to the "montgomery_boats" mailing list[George ] ffd

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by JERRY G MAY 29 Nov '12

29 Nov '12

I need to sell my 17 made the first year $2100.00

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Re: M_Boats: M15/flotation
by beowulf2＠cox.net 28 Nov '12

28 Nov '12

What a good idea Mile Hall Sent from my HTC One™ X, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Tim Erwin" <sailtim(a)yahoo.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M15/flotation Date: Wed, Nov 28, 2012 10:52 AM Please disregard my question about flotation, I hope I didn't waste time. I talked to Mr. Eng today personally. He was very cordial and seems like a really nice fellow. They don't put any foam floatation in the 15. He suggested that I put two truck size inner tubes in the boat, one under vbirth one under cockpit floor. Put some air in them and forget about it. Sailboats are exempt from the positive floatation requirement for under 20' rule Question answered, easy solution. Nr. Eng seems like a nice guy, very helpful. Merry Christmas to all. Tim Erwin. "Dark Star " m15 # 641 Sent from my iPad

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M15/flotation
by Tim Erwin 28 Nov '12

28 Nov '12

Please disregard my question about flotation, I hope I didn't waste time. I talked to Mr. Eng today personally. He was very cordial and seems like a really nice fellow. They don't put any foam floatation in the 15. He suggested that I put two truck size inner tubes in the boat, one under vbirth one under cockpit floor. Put some air in them and forget about it. Sailboats are exempt from the positive floatation requirement for under 20' rule Question answered, easy solution. Nr. Eng seems like a nice guy, very helpful. Merry Christmas to all. Tim Erwin. "Dark Star " m15 # 641 Sent from my iPad

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Sculling oar
by Conbert Benneck 28 Nov '12

28 Nov '12

Hi gang, Here is a website I found with instructions on how to build a sculling oar; and how it is used. I initially went to "sculling oars" and in poking around, this is the one I found. Knockabout Sloops: How to Build a *Sculling Oar* by Jerome FitzGerald <http://knockaboutsloops.blogspot.com/2008/08/how-to-build-sculling-oar-by-j…> As you will see from his diagrams, the end of the oar that's in the water is bent downwards so that as you swing it back and forth it acts as a vertical paddle propelling the boat. I also found some YouTube videos that show Chinese boats using yulohs in action. Connie

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Re: M_Boats: Skulling
by bownez＠juno.com 26 Nov '12

26 Nov '12

Rik, That's a very interesting device. Thanks for posting the link.... Bones ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50b443413f7c4434144c0st01vuc

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Re: M_Boats: "paddle-ability" of the 17
by bownez＠juno.com 26 Nov '12

26 Nov '12

I played around with making a mount for a long oar for the transom on my M17. I tried it in the North Channel when I was up with the Monty flotilla several years ago. All it seemed to do was fishtale the boat with little forward progress. I KNOW I was not performing the correct lift, twist, shake, etc to the driving oar. I would like to figure it out sometime. I still have the oar and mount. Doug Keltch was watching me, I'm sure he was having a good chuckle. Bones ____________________________________________________________ 37 Items To Stockpile Don't Get Caught Without These 37 "Crucial" Items During A Crisis. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50b3e3d91acb863d86042st03vuc

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Propane Conversion kits for Outboard outboards
by Jim Dahlquist 24 Nov '12

24 Nov '12

I have seen a video on youtube showing how to convert a portable generator from gasoline to propane. Now I would like to explore the idea of converting my old Suzuki DT4 2-cycle outboard if I could find a compatible kit. I think this would be cleaner and would not require any winter maintenance. So far I haven't been able to find anything. Maybe because generators are way too popular right now. But I wanted to at least get this idea on the list. BTW: It appears that searching the archives requires downloading the full data first. Is that correct? Jim Dahlquist jimdahlquist(a)gmail.com

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