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Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 17 Review
by Michael Ray Wisely 15 Jul '13

15 Jul '13

Hi Ferd, my wife and I lived on boats for 12 years and I began sailing at 10 years old. My wife and I became landlubbers in '99 and it wasn't long before we were looking for a small capable sailboat to handle the San Francisco Bay and beyond...The M-17 was the choice after an extensive weighing of the pros and cons. We've owned hull 384 (1983 vintage) since 2007. I could lend M-17 experience to the article if you need more people Ferd. Love the magazine. Yours and Wooden boat are the ones we keep around here. Michael Ray M-17 Molly M

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Re: M_Boats: "Dauntless" is for sale....
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 15 Jul '13

15 Jul '13

True Sandy...there is a lot of blood, sweat, and tears that has gone into her. Personal reasons....Possibly it's time for a change. However, there have been other M23's on the market for less...and they have not sold. So I might just be whistling dixie. LOL s

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Re: M_Boats: M boats
by bownez＠juno.com 14 Jul '13

14 Jul '13

Hi Frank, Still have your Flicka? Bones ____________________________________________________________ Want to place your ad here? Advertise on United Online http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/51e35bb726c0b5bb60f7bst02vuc

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Montgomery Sailboats are in high demand
by Bob Eeg 14 Jul '13

14 Jul '13

And are built with top-notch quality. There is nothing in the market place faster, better built and as good looking as a Montgomery Sailboat. I don't run a factory; I run a very small boatshop. I built to order on a boat by boat basis. I do a lot of custom work when asked. Bronze ports, Stainless ports, extra ballast, Custom electrical systems, Idasailor rudders, anchoring packages..etc. This work is labor intensive. Quality takes time. I have 3 employees. These people are highly experienced in Laminating, construction, assembly and finish. Woodworking and other skills result in a absolutely beautiful sailing vessel. I use the best sails the best rigging, the best custom stainless fasteners..and yes....(laughing) the best cushions. This last 15 months have been EXTREMELY busy; hiring new help was impossible because all the good people are gone. We had a tremendous BACKLOG and we caught a break only when Pacific Seacraft employees (let go) began filtering into our shop looking for work. We did add some additional crew in the Laminating Shop and because of that we are caught up. Pacific Seacrafts Bankruptcy was good for us. Bad for the dozens of good people who are out of work. The FIRST question of anyone buying a new boat should be 'How is the construction quality'? First and foremost that is the most important issue. I can say that everyone has experienced and will continue to experience a BACKLOG of orders; especially if the boat is as popular as a Montgomery Sailboat. When we had an 8 month backlog and I actually turned down 2 M_17 orders so we could catch our breath. It is impossible to work any harder or any faster. Now that were caught up we can get back to our normal 50-70 days (depending on model and options). Also custom work really adds to the production time. One beautiful M_17 we did we cut the V berth out of and installed an oval bulkhead, custom shelves and inline potti area; with 4 bronze ports she is an amazing boat, but custom work takes time. Expect delays if you go radical on the interior. (I think BONES has a photo of that one...) We are really one of the only builders that entertain changes and options to satisfy the customer. This new Passagemaker M_17 were building (and installing a windvane on tomorrow) is going to be amazing. Other actual boat factories that produce boats for DEALERS (that Tod mentioned) like Precision and Compac are built on Factory Production lines for a large Dealership Network. Dealers who have these boats in stock can supply them right away. But ask for major changes on a future production boat and the wait will be many months. International Marine builds boats faster with more employees but those boats are piss poor sailers (upwind) and many arrive with a list of problems that are pathetic. That's not me. So try not to focus on the TIME factor. We can only go so fast. Hiring additional help is not an option because by the time you train someone the season gets slow and you have to lay them off. I can't do that. I have people that have been with me for 20 years; I keep us small and efficient on purpose. So be surprised if we hit the delivery time; which we do quite often. Be a little disappointed when we miss it; but get over it when you see your boat. Dozens of you know me; you've arrived to see me rig your boat, pack you up and shake your hand. (Heck...Gary Hyde even brought me a bottle of wine..!..Thanks Gary.!) One man bought a new M_15 from us and a new M_17 a year later.! The C word...Cushions. I inspect everyboat before it leaves for home. Scott's boat was leaving for the Bay Area early Friday morning; I was at the boatshop at 10:30 PM Thursday night, sleeping at the picnic table just inside the door, waiting for the cushion guy to arrive with the (late) promised cushions. He drove up, woke me up and I watched as he stacked them on the deck. We left. My man arrived at 3AM and hooked up the boat and slid the cushions inside the boat. I should have loaded them myself then I would have noticed they looked good but didn't have the required 'Squeeze' factor. Let's move on, shall we....? Fair winds Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227 Boat Builder

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Core Sound Sailing-WX
by Michael Murphy 11 Jul '13

11 Jul '13

Explored Core Sound in eastern North Carolina yesterday by circumnavigating Hawkers Island. The forecast was for winds of 9-11 knots. Isolated thunder storms were a 10% possibility. On the trip to the coast I noticed that the temperature was 8 degrees warmer than 40 miles inland. That's unusual; normally coastal temps are 7-8 degrees cooler in the summer. Raising the mast in winds over 10 mph can be hard if the wind blows across the beam of the boat. Although the shrouds make controlling the mast easy in a fore/aft plane they do nothing to counteract a sideways force while raising. Therefore I positioned the back of the trailer into the wind. This pushes the mast forward when lifting it & makes it easier to get the forestay pin into its hole. The 8-9 knot winds lasted only 1/2 hour, just enough time to motor through the swing bridge. As I glanced back I noticed long low dark narrow cloud systems coming across the barrier islands from the ocean. Quickly clearing the cockpit of gear that could get underfoot in a squall I put on a vest-type PFD. A few minutes later a squall blocked my view of the ramp but I got only a few drops. Three hours later I turned the corner on Hawkers Island & started to sail SE. Winds were only 5-6 knots instead of the forecasted 9-11. Sometimes thunderstorm downdrafts can counteract prevailing winds but these were low quick moving clouds in the direction of the prevailing winds. Passing the HQ of the Cape Lookout National Seashore, a large water rope formed just off a spoil-bank. 200-300 feet high & leaning forward approx. 70 degrees it moved across the Sound & passed out of sight. It had a small foot, no more than 50-60' across & could have been easily avoided under power if it was closer. I had seen a large, clear air dust devil hit a fire camp in Montana & suck sleeping bags & foam pads a couple of hundred feet in to the air but this was a first on the water (excluding low flying jet water vortices). Low winds & signs of atmospheric instability prompted me to lower the sails & motor. As I completed furling the sails, an island 2 miles away was blanketed by a "white wall". I had only a few minutes to close the hatch & get the rain gear out before the rain wall hit. Generally lasting only 5-10 minutes the white squalls are easily handled but they can cause problems. Visibility is limited so you can no longer steer by marks or shorelines unless they are less than 1/2 mile away. The force of the rain beats the wave crests down so the waves aren't useful as a tool to maintain your heading. By this time I was in a known channel so any grounding would be a soft one. After the squall there were 15 minutes of 8 knot winds. Wow! Raised the sail; got to sail back to the ramp although the last 2 miles were in winds of 5-6 again. Mike, Fionulla, M-15

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Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 17 review
by Larry E Yake 09 Jul '13

09 Jul '13

Sssshhh, Jerry. That's supposed to be a secret. ;-) Larry On Tue, 9 Jul 2013 09:07:17 -0700 "jerry montgomery" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> writes: > One of the suppliers gave me a sample roll of carbon fiber about that > time- > I think we used that on Larry's boat. > > jerry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <bownez(a)juno.com> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 8:02 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 17 review > > > Hull #92 vintage 1976 here. > > Hope to be as fast as Larry Yake someday, his hull is #200. > > Bones > Mpls, Mn > ____________________________________________________________ > New Policy in Mississippi > March 2012-Drivers w/ no DUIs may qualify for $9/week car > insurance... > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/51db7d91682fe7d91392bst01vuc > > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > SPAMfighter has removed 8925 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan > http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen > > > > >

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Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 17 review
by bownez＠juno.com 09 Jul '13

09 Jul '13

Hull #92 vintage 1976 here. Hope to be as fast as Larry Yake someday, his hull is #200. Bones Mpls, Mn ____________________________________________________________ New Policy in Mississippi March 2012-Drivers w/ no DUIs may qualify for $9/week car insurance... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/51db7d91682fe7d91392bst01vuc

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Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 17 review
by Bruce Ward 09 Jul '13

09 Jul '13

Great boats! I sail hull number 32 from June 1974.

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Montgomery 17 review
by Ferdinand Johns 07 Jul '13

07 Jul '13

Hello, folks As I mentioned in my earlier post, Good Old Boat is planning an upcoming feature article on the Montgomery 17, and I am requesting that owners willing to participate in a brief survey send me an email to that effect. Later this month, I will email each participant the survey form. I am still looking for a boat located somewhere between Seattle and Bellingham for a photo shoot and test sail with the owner, preferably including a trailer launch and recovery. Many thanks to those who have already agreed to participate. Ferd Johns for Good Old Boat

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Re: M_Boats: Hi
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 07 Jul '13

07 Jul '13

Hi Gordon, Louis, In my "day job" we began to export in 1979. We began to import in 1981. With more than 30 years of experience in this area and more than 1,000,000 miles traveling to distant lands, I believe my understanding is somewhat broad with regards to the question. There is truth to what Gordon says, and there is also truth to what Louis says. The question is quite complex, certainly more than can be discussed on this board (although I am willing to share info and experience if anyone is interested). The valuation of currency is critical to understanding. Long term, it is important to balance import and export as it is important to help support US companies. At Sage Marine, we are offering sails from both Harry Pattison and Judy B., whom have demonstrated quality and commitment. (We will also work with any sail-maker of your choice). Please pardon the shameless plug. Hi Bones, Quality is more a demonstration of longevity than performance, and longevity is difficult to determine in the short term. sal In a message dated 8/24/2011 8:54:54 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, gordon(a)financialwriting.net writes: Apology accepted, Louis. You're right in that 2/3rds of the U.S. gross domestic product is driven by the consumer sector -- the goods and services purchased by all of us (excluding businesses and the government). That's important for our nation's well being, and especially for small businesses. All competitors in the global economy -- including many "mom-and-pop outfits" in the United States -- work hard to sell to foreign buyers. At the same time, many savvy consumers seek out the world's best products and services for the lowest price -- which makes sense. In a way, this potentially threatening "global economy" can benefit us all -- as consumers and businesses. I don't think boat sails or any other products are necessarily inferior -- or "low-ball," as you said -- just because they are made abroad. What's more, my recommending a Chinese sailmaker to someone doesn't mean I'm against buying "American." In fact, feel free to call Harry Pattison at Elliott-Pattison Sailmakers, a top-notch sailmaker in the United State of California who knows Montgomery boats well, and ask him how many sails Gordon Gilbert has purchased from him. You might be surprised at what an "equal opportunity" buyer I am. I'm just a hard-working guy who, like anyone else, wants to get the most for his money. Enjoy the rest of your sailing season! Gordon Still a Proud U.S. Air Force Veteran P.S. Frankly, I don't think being disrespectful or discourteous to someone in an e-mail -- especially someone you don't know -- is a good way to GET THEIR ATTENTION. On Aug 24, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Louis Remmers wrote: > Gordon: I do apologize if my e mail seemed disrespectful, but I DID get your attention. Although we all know the current economic situation is global, very few of us have any influence in foreign economics. We do however have a huge impact in the economy of the USA. If we all purchase in country it WILL make a difference. I would like to recommend Douglas Fowler sail maker from New York. Chris Rooke in Memphis is also able to make excellent sails at a very good price. If you look around you will find MANY mom and pop outfits that we need to help us all float our boats so to speak. Once again accept my apologies for rocking your boat. Louis Remmers. > > --- On Tue, 8/23/11, Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> wrote: > > > From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> > Subject: M_Boats: Hi > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 12:34 PM > > > Dear Gordon, > > First, I hope your health is at least as good as it can be under the circumstances. How are you feeling? Have you been able to do some sailing in MN? > > I wanted to ask you a quick question. I remembered that at some point you mentioned an outfit in China which sold you sails for the Monty 17 at a very good price. Were you happy with the quality? What was the name/web address of the place? I am thinking of getting a new mainsail, and perhaps a new sail for a new boat I got (a Windrider 16, single person trimaran). > > Best wishes of health and hope, and I hope to hear from you soon. > > Andrei. > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!

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