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FW: Mast failure
by George Iemmolo 22 Jul '13

22 Jul '13

George 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: George Iemmolo [mailto:griemmolo2@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:53 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: RE: M_Boats: Mast failure OUCH IS RIGHT I can relate had the port turnbuckle come loose and mast came down with boat in slip on 2nd day in water:-( Mast was not damaged so was able to raise mast and have now taped turnbuckles to prevent nuts backing out. Now check every time prior to and after sailing:-) George Merry Helen II M15 #602 'We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust our Sails' -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tony Cox Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 9:26 PM To: Ronald McNeil; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast failure Roger that Ron, not a fun day. Thanks Tony Cox M-17 294 On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil(a)yahoo.com>wrote: > Och! That happened to us on my buddy's Windrose 18 last year. In our case > both turnbuckles on the port side came undone one right after the other. > Not a fun day. > > Regards, > Ron McNeil > M17 675 > > > ________________________________ > From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg(a)gmail.com> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:51 PM > Subject: M_Boats: Mast failure > > > Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay snapped > at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should replace > the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? > Where do you suggest I go? > > Tony Cox > M-17 #294 >

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Deck paint
by Thomas Buzzi 20 Jul '13

20 Jul '13

Anyone have first hand experience with a deck paint that works well? My gelcoat is past trying to save. Tom B M-17 #258

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Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 20 Jul '13

20 Jul '13

Tom, There are PHRF and Portsmouth ratings for the boat (M-17) in three configurations - Standard rig , Tall rig, Flush deck, the boats were raced in the West and Southwest for a period of time -'back in the day' The tall rig affects my rating where ever I race - except a race like the Cruiser Challenge - We sailed a tall rig (Bill G.'s 'Andiamo') at Monterey last weekend. The CC uses no handicap ratings they split the fleet by overall length. I sail primarily in Arizona - light air to ZERO - so I decided the tall rig was in order. M-17's have a long and storied history on Lake Havasu - they have been racing there since the 70's. I race with a 'Tall rig' rating either PHRF or D-PN - whichever the authority chooses for scoring. http://offshore.ussailing.org/Portsmouth_Yardstick/Current_Tables/Offshore_C lasses_F-N.htm The best 21 inches for a M-17's rig. Little to no detrimental effect at higher wind ranges - HUGE difference in light air. value of rig is my opinion - ever see a Renault driver that didn't think they were GREAT cars...? Take Care, Have Fun, Go Sailing (too hot here) GO M-17t sail # 354 'Tiny Purple Fishes' In a message dated 7/20/2013 7:34:27 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com writes: Looks like a great site if you need a mast. How does that affect your phf(?) for racing on Lake Havasu? Tom, M-17 hull #258 On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Tony Cox <cox.tjg(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for the info GO, I will check it out. > > Tony Cox > M17 294 > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:30 PM, GILASAILR(a)aol.com wrote: > > > Tony, > > > > My mast was 'worn out' - tired, beat up, and I wanted to change over to a > > tall rig. I was not happy with the soft and flexible extrusion of the > > original mast section so I contacted Bill Ballenger at Ballenger Spars in > > Watsonville CA. After a bit of discussion we agreed on a mast section > (4026) and > > I supplied the dimensions for the tall rig (21 inches longer) I noted > the > > location of my gooseneck and halyard exits and he built me an excellent > > mast. I provided a drawing of the masthead dimensions and they built a > welded > > fitting with replaceable sheaves and axles! Jerry M. made the shrouds > and > > stays and we have been happy ever since. If you look on the MSOG site - > > M-17's 'LB/GF!' (looks bad/goes fine!) check out the couple of > pictures there > > - fixed airfoil spreaders, doublers at butt and spreaders - super fine > > workmanship and VERY fair price. > > > > The location of the spar manufacturer relative to your location can be > > important, as the freight on a 20'+ tube that needs to be 'top load' can > get > > quite expensive. > > > > FWIW NFIW -just really good service and a great product - (I sold boats > for > > +30 years - I am particular about boat parts!) {;>) > > > > Check them out if you are interested. > > > > _www.ballengerspars.com_ (http://www.ballengerspars.com) > > > > The pre-feed on the throat of the sail track is worth the 'price of > > admission'! > > Picture of the rig from 2013 LHPCC is attached. > > > > GO > > > > M-17t sail # 354 > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/19/2013 9:33:32 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > > cox.tjg(a)gmail.com writes: > > > > GO, > > > > I live in Silverton, Oregon. My boat is moored on Detroit Lake. > > > > Tony Cox > > M17 294 > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:58 PM, <GILASAILR(a)aol.com> wrote: > > > >> Tony, > >> > >> What part of the countryside are you located in? > >> > >> GO > >> M17t sail #354 > >> > >> > >> In a message dated 7/19/2013 7:27:34 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > >> cox.tjg(a)gmail.com writes: > >> > >> Roger that Ron, not a fun day. > >> > >> Thanks > >> Tony Cox > >> M-17 294 > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Ronald McNeil > >> <ronaldwmcneil(a)yahoo.com>wrote: > >> > >>> Och! That happened to us on my buddy's Windrose 18 last year. In our > >> case > >>> both turnbuckles on the port side came undone one right after the > > other. > >>> Not a fun day. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Ron McNeil > >>> M17 675 > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________ > >>> From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg(a)gmail.com> > >>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > >>> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:51 PM > >>> Subject: M_Boats: Mast failure > >>> > >>> > >>> Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay > >> snapped > >>> at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should > >> replace > >>> the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? > >>> Where do you suggest I go? > >>> > >>> Tony Cox > >>> M-17 #294 > >>> > >> > >> > > > > <BlogM17.jpg> > >

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Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 20 Jul '13

20 Jul '13

Buzz Ballenger is the man to speak to (owner) got my names mixed up. GO In a message dated 7/20/2013 6:57:09 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cox.tjg(a)gmail.com writes: Thanks for the info GO, I will check it out. Tony Cox M17 294 Sent from my iPad On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:30 PM, GILASAILR(a)aol.com wrote: > Tony, > > My mast was 'worn out' - tired, beat up, and I wanted to change over to a > tall rig. I was not happy with the soft and flexible extrusion of the > original mast section so I contacted Bill Ballenger at Ballenger Spars in > Watsonville CA. After a bit of discussion we agreed on a mast section (4026) and > I supplied the dimensions for the tall rig (21 inches longer) I noted the > location of my gooseneck and halyard exits and he built me an excellent > mast. I provided a drawing of the masthead dimensions and they built a welded > fitting with replaceable sheaves and axles! Jerry M. made the shrouds and > stays and we have been happy ever since. If you look on the MSOG site - > M-17's 'LB/GF!' (looks bad/goes fine!) check out the couple of pictures there > - fixed airfoil spreaders, doublers at butt and spreaders - super fine > workmanship and VERY fair price. > > The location of the spar manufacturer relative to your location can be > important, as the freight on a 20'+ tube that needs to be 'top load' can get > quite expensive. > > FWIW NFIW -just really good service and a great product - (I sold boats for > +30 years - I am particular about boat parts!) {;>) > > Check them out if you are interested. > > _www.ballengerspars.com_ (http://www.ballengerspars.com) > > The pre-feed on the throat of the sail track is worth the 'price of > admission'! > Picture of the rig from 2013 LHPCC is attached. > > GO > > M-17t sail # 354 > > > > > In a message dated 7/19/2013 9:33:32 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > cox.tjg(a)gmail.com writes: > > GO, > > I live in Silverton, Oregon. My boat is moored on Detroit Lake. > > Tony Cox > M17 294 > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:58 PM, <GILASAILR(a)aol.com> wrote: > >> Tony, >> >> What part of the countryside are you located in? >> >> GO >> M17t sail #354 >> >> >> In a message dated 7/19/2013 7:27:34 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, >> cox.tjg(a)gmail.com writes: >> >> Roger that Ron, not a fun day. >> >> Thanks >> Tony Cox >> M-17 294 >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Ronald McNeil >> <ronaldwmcneil(a)yahoo.com>wrote: >> >>> Och! That happened to us on my buddy's Windrose 18 last year. In our >> case >>> both turnbuckles on the port side came undone one right after the > other. >>> Not a fun day. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Ron McNeil >>> M17 675 >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg(a)gmail.com> >>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:51 PM >>> Subject: M_Boats: Mast failure >>> >>> >>> Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay >> snapped >>> at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should >> replace >>> the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? >>> Where do you suggest I go? >>> >>> Tony Cox >>> M-17 #294 >>> >> >> > > <BlogM17.jpg>

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Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 20 Jul '13

20 Jul '13

Tony, My mast was 'worn out' - tired, beat up, and I wanted to change over to a tall rig. I was not happy with the soft and flexible extrusion of the original mast section so I contacted Bill Ballenger at Ballenger Spars in Watsonville CA. After a bit of discussion we agreed on a mast section (4026) and I supplied the dimensions for the tall rig (21 inches longer) I noted the location of my gooseneck and halyard exits and he built me an excellent mast. I provided a drawing of the masthead dimensions and they built a welded fitting with replaceable sheaves and axles! Jerry M. made the shrouds and stays and we have been happy ever since. If you look on the MSOG site - M-17's 'LB/GF!' (looks bad/goes fine!) check out the couple of pictures there - fixed airfoil spreaders, doublers at butt and spreaders - super fine workmanship and VERY fair price. The location of the spar manufacturer relative to your location can be important, as the freight on a 20'+ tube that needs to be 'top load' can get quite expensive. FWIW NFIW -just really good service and a great product - (I sold boats for +30 years - I am particular about boat parts!) {;>) Check them out if you are interested. _www.ballengerspars.com_ (http://www.ballengerspars.com) The pre-feed on the throat of the sail track is worth the 'price of admission'! Picture of the rig from 2013 LHPCC is attached. GO M-17t sail # 354 In a message dated 7/19/2013 9:33:32 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cox.tjg(a)gmail.com writes: GO, I live in Silverton, Oregon. My boat is moored on Detroit Lake. Tony Cox M17 294 On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:58 PM, <GILASAILR(a)aol.com> wrote: > Tony, > > What part of the countryside are you located in? > > GO > M17t sail #354 > > > In a message dated 7/19/2013 7:27:34 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > cox.tjg(a)gmail.com writes: > > Roger that Ron, not a fun day. > > Thanks > Tony Cox > M-17 294 > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Ronald McNeil > <ronaldwmcneil(a)yahoo.com>wrote: > > > Och! That happened to us on my buddy's Windrose 18 last year. In our > case > > both turnbuckles on the port side came undone one right after the other. > > Not a fun day. > > > > Regards, > > Ron McNeil > > M17 675 > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg(a)gmail.com> > > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:51 PM > > Subject: M_Boats: Mast failure > > > > > > Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay > snapped > > at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should > replace > > the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? > > Where do you suggest I go? > > > > Tony Cox > > M-17 #294 > > > >

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Re: M_Boats: Mast failure
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 19 Jul '13

19 Jul '13

Tony, What part of the countryside are you located in? GO M17t sail #354 In a message dated 7/19/2013 7:27:34 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cox.tjg(a)gmail.com writes: Roger that Ron, not a fun day. Thanks Tony Cox M-17 294 On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil(a)yahoo.com>wrote: > Och! That happened to us on my buddy's Windrose 18 last year. In our case > both turnbuckles on the port side came undone one right after the other. > Not a fun day. > > Regards, > Ron McNeil > M17 675 > > > ________________________________ > From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg(a)gmail.com> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:51 PM > Subject: M_Boats: Mast failure > > > Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay snapped > at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should replace > the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? > Where do you suggest I go? > > Tony Cox > M-17 #294 >

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Another M-Boat up for sale
by wcampion＠aol.com 18 Jul '13

18 Jul '13

All, I've decided to sell my M-10 #177. I have come to the realization that I have more toys then I have time to play with them. And my toy box is getting quite full. I've enjoyed the boat for the time I've owned her. She is a great little dink, easy to set up and sail. Very responsive and nimble!! When I took ownership of her, she needed some TLC. I've stripped and refinished all the woodwork. I had the sail cleaned and re-conditioned. I replaced the mast due to the PO using a homemade wooden mast. The mast is not to factory spec. It's a heavier aluminum with thicker walls. The biggest issue with this boat is the hull. The PO left her out in the sun for many years and she is showing her age. The gel coat is totally shot. This boat has severe crazing due to sun damage. Due to my skill level or lack there of...............I never attempted to spray new gel coat or paint. Please keep in mind, she is very seaworthy. And from 5 feet away, looks very salty. The hull issue is strictly cosmetic. If anyone is interested, please respond and I'll send pics. Skip

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Stan Winarski
by wcampion＠aol.com 18 Jul '13

18 Jul '13

Does anyone know if Stan is still active on this listserv? He owns boat M-15 #177 Carol II. If your out there Stan, contact me off list. Thanks, Skip

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Re: M_Boats: "Dauntless" is for sale....
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 16 Jul '13

16 Jul '13

Thanks Robbin!

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"Dauntless" is for sale....
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 16 Jul '13

16 Jul '13

1979 Montgomery 23 “Dauntless” for sale $25,000 1 of only 20 of the original M23’s ever built. Replacement Costs?? New Montgomery 23’s are being built by Norsea/Montgomery Boats with some modifications. Costs in 2002 were listed at $78,000 · Standing Rigging completely replaced in 2012 (forestay, backstay, upper and lower shrouds, and all turnbuckles) · 1999 4 stroke, x-long(25”) shaft, high thrust, electric start 9.9 Yamaha outboard · Garelik Heavy Duty Motor lifting motor mount · Complete 12 volt electrical rebuild · 2, 12volt AGM deep cycles · 2 Blue Sea Systems Distribution Panels · Blue Sea Battery Selector Switch and Panel Isolation Switch · Blue Sea System Amp and Volt meters · Uniden 525 DSC VHF · Remote wireless VHF WAM Mic with inductive chargers in both cabin and cockpit · AM/FM CD · Tricolor/Anchor both LED · LED Windex light · Deck light · LED Stern light (mounted on pole above obstructions) as well as the original stern light on transom with a selector switch to select one or the other · Bank of 3, 12 volt power outlets · Simrad TP-10 Autopilot · TillerClutch · Basic A/C shorepower setup with onboard outlets · Onboard Guest 2 bank Battery Charger · Origo 2 burner Alcohol Stove · 6 cubic foot ice box w/ electric pump to bring drain water to sink · 7 gallon fresh water tank · Sunbrella Bimini and Dodger (able to sail with them up…and they are able to be connected when not sailing providing excellent protection from rain. ) · Heavy Duty recessed Padeyes in cockpit floor · Mast raising system · All lines led to cockpit · 2 cabin top halyard winches · 2 coming mounted sheet winches · Jiffy reef set-up for 2 reef points on main · Adjustable topping lift · Jib Downhaul · Elliot Pattison Custom Made main with 3 reef points (4 years old, always covered) · Sunbrella mainsail cover · Rolly Tasker storm Jib (new) · Rolly Tasker #3 working jib (4 years old great shape) · North sails Blade jib ( unknown age, good shape) · 135 Genoa ( heavy constructed, getting tired but still useable) · Ullman 150 (Unknown age, good shape) · Sunbrella Headsail bags for the 150, 135, and blade · Asymmetrical Spinnaker · Blister job 2005-06 all west system used, no further problems · Interlux 200E Epoxy Barrier Coat ’05-‘06 and recent VC 17 Bottom · All steel ballast removed and replaced with lead in ’05-’06 refit · Extra ballast installed during refit per suggestion of Jerry Montgomery · Complete Centerboard re-work (sandblast, fill, fair, epoxy barrier coat) in ,05-06 (inspected in ’10 – still in excellent shape.) · Pivot and stop pins for centerboard replaced with new ½” bronze pins ’10 · New centerboard pendant ‘10 · Rudder rebuilt in ’05, recently re-finished – great condition above and below waterline · Non-skid re-done with Kiwi Grip nonskid · Depth sounder · Spinlock Rope Clutches on all halyards, vang, and luff reef lines( Clew reef points are on the boom) · Removeable Stainless Swim ladder on transom. · Origninal aluminum “Montgomery” stemhead fitting/anchor roller sent to Bristol Bronze as a pattern and replaced with custom made 100% Bronze fitting. · Manual Bilge pump · Electric bilge pump · 6 large opening Portlights · Custom flush aluminum TODD seat mount in cockpit that secures an extendable aluminum mast crutch for trailering…and is used for a custom cockpit table when cruising, all other times is flush with cockpit locker lid. · Thru hulls replaced in -06 with Groco Bronze thru hulls with proper backing blocks and sea-cocks installed. · New Sea-Land Port-a-potty (we use wagbags now) · Custom 2005 Pacific Galvanized Tandem Axle Trailer w/Stainless Disc Surge Brakes, LED lighting, 1 year old tires, new bearing’s/races ’13, and an 11’ extendable tongue. The trailer is in great shape…no rust. · Claw anchor in roller with 50’ chain and 200’ rode · 13lb Danforth with chain and 200’ rode in fast deploy bag kept in stern locker Dauntless has been our boat for 8 years now. Throughout that time period we have sailed her from the waters off San Diego, all the way to Salt Spring Island in British Columbia. I have had her 20 miles offshore overnight racing from Long Beach to San Diego (2nd in class), on inland desert lakes, the San Juan Islands, the Gulf Islands of British Columbia, Monterey (1st place 2 years consecutive in Monterey Cruiser Challenge ’11,’12), Catalina Island, and everywhere in between. I have towed her from Florida to Arizona, Southern California to Ancortes, Washington. She sails wonderfully and tows wonderfully. What she is not …is a daysailor. In other words….it takes a while to set her up and launch her. More than you would want to do for an hour or two of sailing. She is best used to put in the water for extended times (either in a slip ready to go, or for an extended cruise of at least a few days) . She is not perfect and there are some things a new owner would probably want to do to her. She could use some new cushions….and a serious owner might eventually decide to paint her topsides from the toe rail to the bootstripe. Her gelcoat can be buffed out …and I do…but it is tired. She has ridden out numerous hurricanes at a dock in her former home of Punta Gorda Florida and bears a few scars from that. Overall I feel she is in pretty darn good shape. She is ready to take you on any adventure you can imagine, and frankly….I think she is capable of more than most of the sailors that will sail her….myself included. It has been a pleasure being her custodian but we are thinking it might be time to move on. I will speak with anyone interested very candidly, be happy to share photos an info on her refit , and describe realistically her condition to any prospective new owner. Probably no other trailer sailor has had more internet exposure in the last 8 years. I tend to be a shameless self promoter and have enjoyed sharing photos and videos of Dauntless and the adventures she has taken us on , on the web. Thus…if you are interested in checking her out visually…both stills and videos of her in action…it is totally do-able. You will notice variations in her looks as the years go by as we customized her to our own liking on both the interior and exterior. To see many videos and slide shows of Dauntless in action please go to my youtube channel at: http://www.youtube.com/user/nebwest2/videos Delivery could be arranged across the continental US if the buyer is willing to pay the costs associated (over and above the purchase price of the boat). I will not sell the boat to anyone without them having inspected it in person first hand. I have nothing to hide with this boat, but I want to make sure that anyone interested makes the decision on first-hand knowledge rather than my opinion or judgment. CONTACT: Sean Mulligan _sailhavasu(a)aol.com_ (mailto:sailhavasu@aol.com) Note: There is also another of the original M23’s currently for sale. It belongs to John and Julie Mulder of Bend Oregon. Their boat “Dreamtime” is beautiful. I have recently been on it. Anyone in that area of the country that is looking for an M23 would be well advised to give Dreamtime a good hard look.

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