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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 232, Issue 15
by Kevin Sandwick 19 Jun '22

19 Jun '22

Jeff, Having done this last year I would suggest installing the hardware and getting the measurements for the new sail. With the mast stepped it is a simple matter to remove the hardware assembly and the rig is back to original. If I had done this my new sail would hoist an additional 3 inches. As it is I am very happy with the install and the sail but I left some sail cloth on the table. Kevin Nauti-Cal M-17 # 400 ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2022 9:57 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 232, Issue 15 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: M17 Sail Measurements (Dave Scobie) 2. Re: Proving Ground - R2AK (Bob Eeg) 3. Re: M17 Sail Measurements (Jeff Orlando) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 07:15:25 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M17 Sail Measurements To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA5_X_6_azYMk5UAR2rpzFEwasdD=hUoUOXW7aWPyTGEog(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Jeff: So you have the furler? You have unboxed the unit and laid flat and straightened the extrusion? :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <<-- FOR SALE! :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com On Sun, Jun 19, 2022, 7:11 AM Jeff Orlando <jeff.orlando(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Dave. > > I contacted EP about a new sail. He needs measurements requiring the > furler to be installed. I don't want to install it until I have a sail or > I'd be on mainsail only all summer long while the new one was built. So I > was hoping to find a used sail then order a new one during the off-season. > > Not considering converting present hank-on sails. > > Jeff > > > > On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 6:46 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Contact Harry at EPSails.com. He will have you take the necessary > > measurements off the boat and make the sail. > > > > A roller reef sail needs to be specifically made. Modifying a hank-on > sail > > results in a sail the sets poorly especially reefed (and sails that are > > roller reefed don't set well to begin with ... especially after 30% > rolled > > up). > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > :: M6'8" #650 > > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <<-- FOR SALE! > > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 19, 2022, 6:36 AM Jeff Orlando <jeff.orlando(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Can anyone please give measurements for a furling sail that fits a > > Snapfurl > > > CF-500 furler? > > > > > > I want to get a sail before installing the furler. > > > > > > Anyone have a used sail they want to sell? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Jeff 17-496 > > > Olympia WA > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 14:19:00 +0000 From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Proving Ground - R2AK To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <BYAPR14MB2520B4EE309F289562AE9B15B7B19(a)BYAPR14MB2520.nam prd14.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Good effort…👍 Sent from my iPad > On Jun 18, 2022, at 10:12 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > Yeah, congrats on managing that intensity and getting back in one piece safe and sound. > > I didn't realize the R2AK had started already, went and checked the site after your post here, and read about the stage one mayhem...whew! Worst the coasties had ever seen the strait...that says a lot! Thankfully all people safe and sound! > > Sounds like it was more intense even than the inaugural year's mayhem (2015), which didn't happen until further into the race, after the stage 1 to Victoria. There were some rescues and lost boats in that one but also all the people safe. > > cheers, > John > >> On 6/18/22 20:56, Kenneth D Tothero wrote: >> I was watching. Impressive effort & congrats on holding it all together. Good to hear that the boat was equal to the task - as was the crew. >> Well done! >> Ken >> Sage 17 #28 >> Sent from my iPhone >>>> On Jun 18, 2022, at 2:21 PM, John Taussig <jwt2339(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Just a quick summary of our first attempt with #375 Sick Chicken. Decided to leave our Honda 2.3 in Bellingham and make the >>> >>>> 50 + mile trip last Friday. Took 2 days with light air and adverse currents. Rigged up oars attached to the winches and stood up in the cockpit rowing with one hatch board in place to brace. Monday we ran into the above with 6’ seas and 30 knot winds. Cracked our tiller when we fell on it a little but fortunately had a board we had used before and after carefully sailing out of the Strait’ s ferocious wind and waves managed to get steerage. We were planning on only going to Victoria as my son had a flight he had to make Thursday - we decided with no break in the weather - to try to sail towards Bellingham. Dropped reefed mainsail and used just a furled up 130% jib. Hung on and steered around the breaking waves as we worked up Whitbey Island. Running 5 knots until we finally caught a favored flood. Recap on gps showed 56 miles including rowing out and the 30 min replacing our tiller - average speed 4.9 with a max of 11.7. During the flood tide - we stayed above 9 knots for hours. Unbelievable trip! Our boat came through beautifully - despite launching occasionally and crashing down the backs of waves as well as taking a couple of waves over the bow - we always felt in control and confident in this boat. Coast Guard Duty Captain said he had never seen it worse and in fact shut down the race on Tuesday after Monday’s 3 capsizes and 4 rescues. Disappointed that we didn’t get across but over 100 miles with no motor and severe conditions just reinforces my feeling for M-17 !! This is one tough boat! Next year! >>>> John Taussig >>>> Sick Chicken >>>> #375. M-17 >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 07:56:58 -0700 From: Jeff Orlando <jeff.orlando(a)gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M17 Sail Measurements To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAOgQH+RtG9SY3PoiZT74UhGOsWSjuTx_2gsuhvaT8pxYZJc=bA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Yes. I have the furler. Want to get a sail or some measurements before starting the installation process. Jeff On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 7:16 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Jeff: > > So you have the furler? You have unboxed the unit and laid flat and > straightened the extrusion? > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <<-- FOR SALE! > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > > > On Sun, Jun 19, 2022, 7:11 AM Jeff Orlando <jeff.orlando(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thanks Dave. > > > > I contacted EP about a new sail. He needs measurements requiring the > > furler to be installed. I don't want to install it until I have a sail > or > > I'd be on mainsail only all summer long while the new one was built. So > I > > was hoping to find a used sail then order a new one during the > off-season. > > > > Not considering converting present hank-on sails. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 6:46 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > Contact Harry at EPSails.com. He will have you take the necessary > > > measurements off the boat and make the sail. > > > > > > A roller reef sail needs to be specifically made. Modifying a hank-on > > sail > > > results in a sail the sets poorly especially reefed (and sails that are > > > roller reefed don't set well to begin with ... especially after 30% > > rolled > > > up). > > > > > > > > > :: Dave Scobie > > > :: M6'8" #650 > > > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <<-- FOR SALE! > > > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 19, 2022, 6:36 AM Jeff Orlando <jeff.orlando(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Can anyone please give measurements for a furling sail that fits a > > > Snapfurl > > > > CF-500 furler? > > > > > > > > I want to get a sail before installing the furler. > > > > > > > > Anyone have a used sail they want to sell? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Jeff 17-496 > > > > Olympia WA > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To unsubscribe send an email to montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 232, Issue 15 *************************************************

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Proving Ground - R2AK
by John Taussig 19 Jun '22

19 Jun '22

Just a quick summary of our first attempt with #375 Sick Chicken. Decided to leave our Honda 2.3 in Bellingham and make the 50 + mile trip last Friday. Took 2 days with light air and adverse currents. Rigged up oars attached to the winches and stood up in the cockpit rowing with one hatch board in place to brace. Monday we ran into the above with 6’ seas and 30 knot winds. Cracked our tiller when we fell on it a little but fortunately had a board we had used before and after carefully sailing out of the Strait’ s ferocious wind and waves managed to get steerage. We were planning on only going to Victoria as my son had a flight he had to make Thursday - we decided with no break in the weather - to try to sail towards Bellingham. Dropped reefed mainsail and used just a furled up 130% jib. Hung on and steered around the breaking waves as we worked up Whitbey Island. Running 5 knots until we finally caught a favored flood. Recap on gps showed 56 miles including rowing out and the 30 min replacing our tiller - average speed 4.9 with a max of 11.7. During the flood tide - we stayed above 9 knots for hours. Unbelievable trip! Our boat came through beautifully - despite launching occasionally and crashing down the backs of waves as well as taking a couple of waves over the bow - we always felt in control and confident in this boat. Coast Guard Duty Captain said he had never seen it worse and in fact shut down the race on Tuesday after Monday’s 3 capsizes and 4 rescues. Disappointed that we didn’t get across but over 100 miles with no motor and severe conditions just reinforces my feeling for M-17 !! This is one tough boat! Next year! John Taussig Sick Chicken #375. M-17 Sent from my iPad

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Signing up!
by E Blohm 18 Jun '22

18 Jun '22

eblohm(a)rocketmail.com Interested in obtaining a M17 and learning more about them. Erik Sent from my iPhone

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Re: found a M17
by Bruce Chmieleski 18 Jun '22

18 Jun '22

And check the hitch ball latching mechanism. I learned the hard way about one with an old soft spring tensioner! Bruce Chmieleski M-15 #364 TenderLee Sent by mental telepathy! > ********************

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Found a M17!
by E Blohm 18 Jun '22

18 Jun '22

After looking for a reasonable distance M17 (7 hours) I finally found one and plan to drive out to check it out/buy this coming Tuesday The 1977 M17 hull number 248# is being sold by the family of the elderly sailor. They know nothing about the boat other than it’s been sitting in his yard for 6 years since he last sailed it on Lake Michigan They are asking $4000 and I counter offered $3600 foolishly!!! Anyway they sent a bunch of internal and external pictures the hull looks solid the interior-floor-walls looks dry. I expect to replace standing-running rigging over this coming winter. If deck is solid and keel looks “normal” I’ll probably drag it home. Anyone know anything about this boat? Or any recommendations about this deal? Thanks Erik in Ohio Sent from my iPhone

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motor weight
by Peter Zimowsky 14 Jun '22

14 Jun '22

Hi: Been reading a lot about motors, etc, horsepower and stuff. When I bought my boat it came with a 4 horsepower. I’m concerned about the strength of the M15’s transom and motor mount handling 75 pounds. I’ve been sailing with it for 6 years but boats get older and things weaken. Can the M15 handle 75 pounds. Thanks Pete WinterSky (Zimowsky) San Juan Islander lost inland - an old salty stuck in the sagebrush outdoors writer and photographer Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pzimowsky Twitter: @zimosoutdoors The Northwest Outdoors Journey: https://outdoorsnorthwest.home.blog/2019/03/13/the-journey-begins/ "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"

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Bimini for M15
by brad kurlancheek 08 Jun '22

08 Jun '22

Can anyone recommend an easy to install portable bimini for the cockpit of an M15 that is simple to take down, which collapses into something easily storeable underneath when not in use? Thanks!

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Transom Wood Rot
by Jason Leckie 04 Jun '22

04 Jun '22

Hi All, Here’s a nice one.. was noticing some weeping of brown sludge at the transom of my M17. I removed the bottom rudder pivot bracket to find that silicon was used to bed these bolts and water has likely been seeping in for a long time. The wood in there is now essentially earth. My plan now is to drill out that block of wood/earth and replace with a new chunk of wood or just go with a pure fibreglass/epoxy or polyester resin mixture. It looks like there is a roughly 4”x 4” block embedded in the fibreglass there. Can anyone chime in and give any details of the wood that is in that area and any other advice they might have for this repair? Thank you, Jason Leckie Point Roberts, WA / Vancouver, BC 1980 M17 ‘Kuma’

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Fuel transfer
by Jim Sadler 01 Jun '22

01 Jun '22

How do you skippers transfer fuel ? I am planning on sail from Oceanside to San Clemente island approx 50 miles offshore. Might need to power (Honda 2.3) for hours at a time. Say 30 hrs round trip if no wind. Do you use a transfer pump ? Not sure I want to lift 5 gal can in rough sea. Capt Jim SV Pelican M15 Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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Re: Fuel transfer
by David Grah 31 May '22

31 May '22

I may be a bit late to this discussion but we've had really good luck with our Honda 2 horsepower outboard on our Montgomery 15 and it has had more than enough power in our experience except maybe once when motoring into a strong wind. We use the motor often on long trips and typically motor at low power settings. We get about 2 hours on the internal tank which I think is around a liter. We have an external tank, usually 3.5 gallons, that we pump with a outboard fuel hose with a bulb pump in it through a modified cap to fill the internal tank. This is a system I read about here. It works great even in rough seas. We secure the external tank in the back of the cockpit. We use the 3.5 gallon external tank each year we go to Lake Powell and, with some sailing in there, have covered I think over 150 miles lake some years on one 3.5 tank (we usually stop and add some but typically have ended with about what we put in). David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 6:31 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Fuel transfer Jim. The best fuel can setup is having one 1-gallon and a larger 2.5 gallon. The 1-gallon is used to fill the motor. As the one gallon empties transfer fuel from larger to smaller can. Use the No-Spill brand - https://nospill.com Having 3.5 gallons aboard gives you 14 hour range. Use gallons/hour as direction wind/current/waves will increase/decrease range = KPG (knots per gallon) isn't consistent for distance over ground. If you need more range have the large container be a 5-gallon. Store containers at the aft end of the cockpit. NEVER in a locker or below! :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!

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