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Centreboard pin dimensions
by Deane Atherton 08 May '22

08 May '22

Hey folks, Does anybody know the dimensions of the stainless pin that holds the centreboard. Unfortunately, I misplaced mine while doing a foil repair. Cheers, Deane Atherton Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2022 7:03:05 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 231, Issue 3 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: M15 standing rigging (Jim Sadler) 2. Registration (Jon Barber) 3. Re: Registration (Dave Scobie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 6 May 2022 22:32:53 +0000 From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <BY5PR13MB38594415C5C12628D91DEEB2D5C59(a)BY5PR13MB3859.nam prd13.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Thanks skippers Good advice j Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 3:31:20 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging Thanks Skipper …..good advice! Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 1:15:46 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging Jim: Jerry and his crew built near 450 M15s that have the Nicopress eyes and the thru bolt at the hounds. I can't remember when I've read/heard one of these failing (I've read/seen the M15 shroud chainplates at the hull joint failing - one of the bolts because of crevice corrosion). The lower machine swag fitting I've also done - using the same tool, meaning the tool Jerry actually used, to attach the fitting to the wire. I've built many M15 standing rigs myself. The work is easy and nothing complicated for an competent shop. The West Marine Rigging locations have trained staff. Same goes for smaller rigging shops. The M15 rig is simple and strong. Folks have bent their masts after hitting trees and the shrouds survive with no obvious damage (though I would recommend replacing as they have obviously been stressed). :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Fri, May 6, 2022, 12:18 PM Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> wrote: > That’s the problem > > How do you know if it was done right until you have lost your mast. > > On my M15 the top of the shroud has a mickeymouse crimped fitting with a > thimble and a thru bolt in the mast. It has served me well for the 40 yr > I have owned the Pelican. It seem like a similar rigging would work just > as well at the bottom of the shroud only with "hardware store" cable > clamps. > > As I am rounding the west end of Catalina I would at least not be > wondering about the workman ship and experience of the technician at West > Marine. > > Does anyone ever load test these? They do this with crane rigging as a > requirement. > > Thanx Dave for your incite on this and everything else you have helped me > with > > I am on a mission to rig the Pelican to sail in the "real ocean" and be > able to respond to those who ask "Does this cute little boat really go into > the ocean?" > > Capt Jim > SV. Pelican > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 11:04 AM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging > > Jim: > > can't you get a local rigger to do it right? Or send them to a rigger by > mail? West Marine Rigging, or any rigging shop, can make you a new set. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com > :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 > :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ > :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ > :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ < > http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> > :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred > > > > On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 10:32 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> > wrote: > > > Yes > > (3) per connection with SS thimbles > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Sent: Friday, May 6, 2022 10:00 AM > > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > Cc: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > > Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 standing rigging > > > > You mean hardware store wire rope clamps like this? > > > > https://www.acehardware.com/departments/hardware/chain-and-rope/rope-a > > nd-chain-accessories/5007037 > > > > Or something else? > > > > cheers, > > John > > > > On 5/6/22 08:10, Jim Sadler wrote: > > > Any of u skippers us cable clamps for standing rigging? Bad idea? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Capt Jim > > > SV Pelican M 15 > > > > > > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> > > > > -- > > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > > -------------------------------------------- > > - Eco-Living - > > Whole Systems Design Services > > People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - > > 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 May 2022 15:45:55 -0700 From: Jon Barber <brbrbarber(a)gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Registration To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <CAFwAWQuL1PoemYSidEUYR+0oeBZuH-baR9HL=60ADmRKoCLLRQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Looking at my registration and title I see I am owner of a Mongomery sailboat. Will you other sailors check your documents and tell me how your boats are titled? I have a CA title. Jon Barber Monty17 Ol'44 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 May 2022 16:02:32 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Registration To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA6WL9nyJ7mKag=-mA087+4AsFZ0W7a8jiGfPHhOfO8pOA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Looks like someone at the registration office slipped up why typing. I've read that some folks have their titles/registrations messed up stating their Montgomery is a 'Montgomery Ward'. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Sat, May 7, 2022, 3:46 PM Jon Barber <brbrbarber(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Looking at my registration and title I see I am owner of a Mongomery > sailboat. > Will you other sailors check your documents and tell me how your boats are > titled? > I have a CA title. > > Jon Barber > Monty17 > Ol'44 > ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To unsubscribe send an email to montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 231, Issue 3 ************************************************

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Re: Registration
by mrh219 07 May '22

07 May '22

NY did that to me. I had to get it corrected by DMV -------- Original message -------- From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> Date:05/07/2022 7:02 PM (GMT-05:00) To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Registration Looks like someone at the registration office slipped up why typing. I've read that some folks have their titles/registrations messed up stating their Montgomery is a 'Montgomery Ward'. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Sat, May 7, 2022, 3:46 PM Jon Barber <brbrbarber(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Looking at my registration and title I see I am owner of a Mongomery > sailboat. > Will you other sailors check your documents and tell me how your boats are > titled? > I have a CA title. > > Jon Barber > Monty17 > Ol'44 >

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M15 standing rigging
by Jim Sadler 06 May '22

06 May '22

Any of u skippers us cable clamps for standing rigging? Bad idea? Thanks Capt Jim SV Pelican M 15 Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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M15 Stay and Shroud lengths
by Roger Langmaid 27 Apr '22

27 Apr '22

Could anyone help me with standard eye to eye lengths for the M15 mast stay and shrouds ? I need to replace one damaged shroud and think I will order a set, I will of course also measure the existing rigging too but just to confirm thank you Alula - M15 Lund B.C. Canada Roger Langmaid

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Monty 17
by Julie Bishop 26 Apr '22

26 Apr '22

We are selling our Monty. My husband is unable to sail anymore. We are located in Escanaba, MI. $3500 OBO. M17-94 Contact Tim Bishop 906.280.8923 Sent from my iPad

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Re: Water Leaking in Bilge
by Mary Campbell 26 Apr '22

26 Apr '22

The guy who actually did the work on the bottom paint stopped by the marina today and he told us that after they replaced the pin, They covered it with three layers of glass cloth and resin so it’s hard to imagine water coming in that way. What it would be really helpful to have is a drawing that shows a cross-section of the entire keel/trunk/bilge from a fore and aft direction, As well as athwartship. I’m particularly interested in knowing where there might be wood. Given the way the pin was replaced, it’s really hard to Fathom where the water might be getting in and how it is getting past the ballast and the resin. I did Jerry’s tap test and everything sounds like it should. My plan at this point is to plug the crack with boat life right now Just to confirm that that is the problem. If it stops the water accumulation, then I will know what the problem is. It can be removed when I haul to fix. My fiberglass guy will be back in 10 days and I will have him take a look at it and come up with a plan at that point. If I can continue to use the boat until he is ready to fix it, that would be a bonus. So Jerry, any construction-drawings that you might have that would help my fiberglass guy and myself trace the water path, that would be great. And hopefully we can also get them from Barb since he built this actual boat. And thanks Jim for all the help Mary > On Apr 2, 2022, at 11:13 AM, Jim Ellsworth <jellsworth603(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Jerry, > > I am the prior owner. I met you and you saw the boat in Havasu one year, it > has a green hull if you remember. The boat has been in SoCal it's entire > life until Mary purchased her in November last year. She is in WA. The boat > has never had bottom paint but for her use she had a barrier coat and > bottom paint applied which included removing the centerboard and painting > that as well. I purchased the boat in 2008. did 3 weeks in the San Juans in > 2009, several trips to Catalina and tons of sailing from San Diego to > Ventura and have never experienced any leakes. She has been on the hard for > around 7 years and last year was trailered to Pacific for some trailer > upgrades then down to my house in Temecula where she has been for a year. > Because of my many years of use I am sure any manufacturing issues would > have come up during my ownership so I am thinking something was damaged > either at Pacific or at Mary's yard. I don't think we will ever know > exactly what happened. > So from what you are saying she needs to pull the boat, put water inside > the cabin and hopefully see where it exits on the outside correct? This > would have been a lot easier to find without the new bottom paint applied. > Thanks for your input, Mary, myself and others seeing our postings are at a > loss for what really happened. > Jim > > On Sat, Apr 2, 2022 at 8:09 AM jerry montgomery <jmbn1(a)outlook.com> wrote: > >> Mary- Could you send me a photo of the depression please? I'm curious. >> I'm at jmbn1(a)outlook.com. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Jerry >> >> ________________________________ >> From: mariellec--- via montgomery_boats < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2022 7:33 AM >> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Cc: mariellec(a)yahoo.com <mariellec(a)yahoo.com> >> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Water Leaking in Bilge >> >> Well, I posted about this last night but I don't see my post showing up, >> so I will try again. I found the leak that Jim described (I bought his >> boat). About one inch aft of the bulkhead that supports the aft end of the >> v-berth, on the cabin sole, right in the center, is a small round >> depression in the fiberglass about the size of a quarter. From looking at >> the boat drawings, it looks like it is right above the pivot pin. There is >> a crack about 1" long across that small round area and I can watch water >> weeping slowly out of that crack. If I could figure out a way to post a >> photo, I would do that but there does not seem to be a photo option here - >> I can email one to anyone who asks. I have posted on the facebook page as >> well. The cabin sole was covered by a small carpet when I bought the boat >> and put it in the yard for the bottom paint job, so I don't know if the >> crack was there before the bottom job. Can I fix this in the water with >> something like marine tex? If I haul it on the trailer, can I fix it from >> above with real epoxy? Or do I need to get under the boat and fix it from >> the inside of the centerboard trunk? And, what could hav caused this? I >> am not sure of the purpose or cause of that little round depression in the >> glass.

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First sailboat!
by jerry montgomery 22 Apr '22

22 Apr '22

I ran across this old photo recently and thought I'd share it with you. I told you I'm an old-timer about sailing. This is my friend Paul and I sailing a raft we made at Little Cultis Lake in the Cascade Mountains in E. OR, near Bend, OR. I'm the good-looking one doing the sail trim; Paul is at the helm. The photo is from the summer of 1950 so I would have been nine or ten years old. Paul, being a year younger, was obviously just a little kid. We never gave a thought that the raft might not do well upwind so we sailed across the lake and it was a long walk back. Yes, we got in trouble. Paul and I still sail, hunt, and fish together, still lots of time sitting around a campfire telling lies. We did the regatta at Whiskey Town Lake just before covid; we didn't win that one but had a great time, which couldn't be helped.

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Paaul & Jerry Montgomery on Little Cultus Lake 1950.JPG
by jerry montgomery 22 Apr '22

22 Apr '22

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Re: M15 Stay and Shroud lengths
by David Grah 22 Apr '22

22 Apr '22

I found an image I had with Montgomery 15 shroud lengths. I posted it to the photo group and hopefully it is available at: bg_112_6262236e848a8_l.jpg Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2022 12:10:17 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 Stay and Shroud lengths To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <CAGjBOA7RszULWTaOHyKZPdJaU3n6qZ6kAv332GWa9eCi+_sSHA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Roger. I've looked at all my flash and hard drives. Can't find the document with the M15 shrouds details. I do remember that the early boats have shrouds and forestay of equal lengths. Jerry stopped doing this as folks would set the mast straight so without enough rake (need at least 3-4"). He then built the boats with the forestay a bit longer and the shrouds a bit shorter 'to encourage the correct rake'. IMO unless the current rigging seems as if it was incorrect just duplicate what you have. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!

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Some new takes on MOB recovery
by John Schinnerer 21 Apr '22

21 Apr '22

Interesting article on MOB recovery and some new techniques being used & taught. Based on what sounds like a lot of analysis of actual incidents. https://www.uksailmakers.com/news/2022/4/19/new-thoughts-in-mob-recovery Mostly shows quite big boats in the videos, and talks about switching to motor power for the maneuvers. However the concepts could be useful for much smaller boats, including without motors. Montys have round hulls, but for example a Potter 19 has the kind of hard chines they mention as being a danger to an MOB when trying to pull up close to them. The life-sling as throw line could translate to just having a river paddling throw line aboard. A throw line is a basic must-have rescue item for whitewater paddling, where often the rescuing boat or person can't get right to where the line is needed, but it can be thrown. The idea of towing the rescue line or sling in a circle around the MOB - the way a ski boat brings the tow line back to the person in the water - just seems so obvious it's amazing it's a "new" idea for MOB (I water skied a bit decades ago but I never thought of applying it to MOB rescues). Much easier than trying to get right to the person, especially in intense conditions where an MOB is more likely, and harder to rescue. Even a motorless sailboat can likely sail a small enough arc around the MOB to get the line to them. More easily than trying to pull right up to them anyhow. And on smaller boats (especially with swim ladders) - might not need to be able to hoist the whole person out, just need to get them to a safe re-boarding position on the boat. Then one missing piece here is how would that last part (hoisting them out) get implemented on multihulls. They mention the dangers of whacking the MOB with hull edge (cat) or 'ama (tri) if attempting to pull right up to them, but the bit about hoisting the MOB would NOT work the same as shown for monohulls. If hoisting from the masthead, they'd always be getting pulled up against some part of the boat at an angle. cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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