- montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Anyone on the west coast have an M23?
by casioqv＠usermail.com 11 Aug '22

11 Aug '22

Does anyone on the west coast of the USA have an M23 they would be willing to let me come see? I am interested in purchasing one, but have never seen one in person... I want to look at the design in person before I spend too much time searching for such a rare boat. My M15 is getting a little small for my family, although we're still having a ton of fun and adventures on it. Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15 #157

14 24

Catalina
by Jim Sadler 02 Aug '22

02 Aug '22

I am hoping to sail to twin harbors some time in Nov. on the pelican. Hope to hike the west end and return to Oceanide. Any other skippers interested? Capt Jim Sailing vessel Pelican M15

2 2

teak grading M15
by Jim Sadler 01 Aug '22

01 Aug '22

Have any of you skippers installed teak grading on M15? Was it made from a kit? Has it worked out for you? Thanks Capt Jim M15 Pelican

5 6

Ideas for handling cockpit water
by Bruce Chmieleski 29 Jul '22

29 Jul '22

FYI… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71E52Mbj32s Bruce M-15 #364 TenderLee Vacaville, CA Sent by mental telepathy!

1 0

Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 233, Issue 20
by Jon Barber 16 Jul '22

16 Jul '22

Photos, I get long lines of letters and numbers but no photos. Do I need to reinstall something? On Fri, Jul 15, 2022, 11:57 AM < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Photos (John Schinnerer) > 2. Re: Mast Raising and Lowering (Jason Leckie) > 3. Re: Mast Raising and Lowering (Pete) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 10:21:06 -0700 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Photos > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <af79b41e-3b5b-90b8-a3ff-ad73bd132fd0(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > I see a nice photo in this post - of your boat I assume - is that up in > the delta (SF Bay delta) somewhere? > > MSOG photosite appears to be having some issues... > > cheers, > John > > > > On 7/15/22 09:28, Jon Barber wrote: > > I do not get any photos when I look at posts. Is this normal? > > > > Does anyone access to the MSOG photosite? I am 404 forbidden. I'm couch > > surfing for now and I'd like to update my photos. I'm grounded for awhile > > and have time to do so. > > > > Jon Barber > > Monty 17 > > Ol'44 > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 11:40:43 -0700 > From: Jason Leckie <leckie.jas(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Mast Raising and Lowering > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > <CAD2xLyQRr9DukN1_b9GSSK_xDJCAViJj7z0fn= > P-UNrxGG+P7A(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Oh, I like that Pete, I have a vaguely similar setup with winch but it is > on an assembly that you have to mount on the deck each time, made by the > last owner. That is a much better setup, > > Thanks for that idea. > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 10:21 AM Pete <sailbt(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On my M17, I installed a 4x4x8 treated post near the tongue of my trailer > > with a hand winch and wheel pull on top of beam. I connect the winch > line > > to the jib stay once the mast is pinned to the boat saddle. I can raise > > and lower the mast with the winch on the trailer with ease. > > > > Below is a pic of my installation. Without this rig, the mast was too > > heavy to deal with. > > > > > > > > Mini Me > > M17 > > Camano Island, Wa > > > > Hope this idea helps. > > > > Thanks, Pete > > > > > On Jul 15, 2022, at 6:54 AM, Gail Russell <gail(a)zeliga.com> wrote: > > > There seems to be an autocorrect typo here. I think you meant an > > "electric > > > wench?" > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2022, 4:43 AM Charles Adams via montgomery_boats < > > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > > > >> I’ve been reading this with interest. I raise and lower the mast on my > > M17 > > >> this way. I attached a 2x4x8 to front of my trailer with a pulley at > top > > >> and a cheap trailer wrench. I attach a line at the spreaders. I have a > > mast > > >> support on stern of trailer. My wife cranks the wrench and I just keep > > mast > > >> steady. By lifting from spreaders eliminates most of the swaying if > > lifting > > >> from mast head. I’m going to add two lines to steady mast even more to > > >> eliminate my wife. You say how do I get line to spreader if mast > > standing. > > >> Simple. Weight one end of lite line and toss from both sides. I use a > > clip > > >> at end of pull line to feed it through to pull cable. > > >> > > >> I assume you are raising and lowering mast on a trailer. If not the > > basic > > >> raise and lower could be done. I would also suggest a trip to YouTube > > which > > >> has many methods for raising and lowering a mast. Any time I want to > do > > >> anything I first go to YouTube and thought everyone did that. > > >> > > >> I got my idea on YouTube from a guy who designed an elaborate lift > with > > a > > >> remote electric wrench. I eliminated all the cost and replaced it > with > > >> wife. Still the remote electric wrench is a good idea and I can do it > at > > >> less than half the cost he paid. Plus my idea would let me use > electric > > >> wrench to load boat. > > >> > > >> > > >> When I read these comments I think back when my wife and I raised > > >> constantly the mast on a Tanzer 22 manually. But then maybe and by > what > > I > > >> read on the owners group Montgomery owners are a different age > group. I > > >> certainly am. > > >> > > >> Of course feed back is appreciated and any suggestions since I believe > > it > > >> is all a learning process. Frankly I enjoy the learning process. > > >> > > >> Charlie > > >> > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > >> > > >>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 11:43 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < > > >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > >>> I'll jump in to say that you sound like you're in plenty good shape > to > > >> just raise the mast on an M15 by hand, start to finish, IF it were not > > for > > >> the darn cockpit floor being so low. > > >>> Same problem I have in my M17. I can lift the mast weight, but I am > too > > >> low to raise it far enough to take enough weight off to finish the > > raise. > > >> Unless I try and step up on the cockpit seats while lifting, but on an > > M17 > > >> the mast is heavy enough that that is a risky proposition. > > >>> In the smaller cockpit of an M15 - have you tried standing on the > > >> cockpit seats to lift the mast? > > >>> Or putting a nice sturdy piece of plywood on top of them so you can > > step > > >> wherever you need to at seat height? > > >>> That would be the next thing I would try, for the smaller mast of the > > >> M15. > > >>> An entirely different thought to consider - before I got my jib > furler, > > >> I raised my M17 mast from the front, not the rear. This might be > > something > > >> to try also on an M15. > > >>> Raising from the front, you are standing nice and high on the > foredeck. > > >> If you have enough strength to start the lift of the mast off the > > forward > > >> crutch or pulpit, you are plenty high up to just keep lifting and it > > >> quickly gets easier as the mast goes up. With your height (similar to > > mine) > > >> you would have the mast most of the way up and very light before you > > even > > >> had to step back from the bow towards the cabin top to finish the > lift. > > >>> Plus the forestay never has to be disconnected, you just have to keep > > it > > >> (and the shrouds, as always) from snagging on anything as you raise. > > >>> Also when you are sliding the mast to get the base to the mast step, > it > > >> goes forward over your tow vehicle instead of rearward out into > > whatever is > > >> behind the boat (like sometimes a busy launch ramp parking lot where > > >> someone might run into it...). If your tow vehicle roof is higher than > > bow > > >> pulpit then you'd need to set something up so the mast could slide > onto > > the > > >> roof without damage or snags. > > >>> And of course this means the mast is transported with top forward > > rather > > >> than aft. > > >>> Also, on an M15 with shrouds aft of mast step you would need to > loosen > > >> them a bit to raise, and then put back to sailing trim. > > >>> What I do now since I have to raise from rear due to furler is > > basically > > >> what someone posted already - I use my mainsheet tackle and an > extender > > >> line, rig it to the jib halyard, clip the tackle to the pulpit. > > >>> Remaining problem is same as before - first part of lift, to get > enough > > >> angle on the raising line that it becomes effective. > > >>> Solvable by having an extendable and/or detachable front crutch or > even > > >> just raising pole on the trailer, that is higher than the pulpit, and > > >> attach the tackle there. Then the raising line angle is effective > right > > >> from the start. > > >>> Once the raising line is effective it tends to keep the mast > centered, > > >> so the side to side scariness goes away. > > >>> cheers, > > >>> John > > >>> On 7/14/22 20:09, Willy Gorrissen wrote: > > >>>> Dave, I’ll be interested in your suggestions after giving you this > > >> information; > > >>>> Height: 6’4” > > >>>> Balance: Reasonable for a 75 year old > > >>>> Strength: Okay but not good for pull-ups > > >>>> Back/knees: No problems > > >>>> Willy Gorrissen > > >>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > > >> Windows > > >>>> From: Dave Scobie<mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com> > > >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 6:03 PM > > >>>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats<mailto: > > >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > >>>> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Mast Raising and Lowering > > >>>> Willy. > > >>>> Couple of physical and physique questions - > > >>>> How tall are you? > > >>>> How is your balance? > > >>>> How is you upper body strength? > > >>>> Back and/or knee issues? > > >>>> :: Dave Scobie > > >>>> :: M6'8" #650 > > >>>> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > > >>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <<-- FOR SALE! > > >>>> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > >>>> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > > >>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022, 5:11 PM Willy Gorrissen < > gorrissen(a)hotmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >>>>> I need guidance in raising and lowering the mast on my M-15. Every > > >> time I > > >>>>> put my mast up or down it becomes a horror show. I only do it > twice a > > >> year > > >>>>> but still it should be easier than I am making it. I do raise the > > >> transom > > >>>>> crutch to its up position and have the shrouds connected for > raising > > >> and > > >>>>> lowering. Also my wife helps by pulling or easing off the main > > >> halyard as > > >>>>> the mast is raised or lowered. > > >>>>> My process is to raise the crutch, connect the shrouds, put the > mast > > >> step > > >>>>> in the deck house bracket. I then put myself half in the cockpit > and > > >> half > > >>>>> down below and lift as my wife pulls. Yet until the shrouds are > tight > > >>>>> there’s little control over where the mast might go. Lowering is > sort > > >> of > > >>>>> the opposite but the mast foot gets stuck in the bracket, the mast > > >> swings > > >>>>> right and left and once it’s down it’s difficult to find a safe > place > > >> to > > >>>>> stand in cockpit and wrestle the mast forward. I feels as if I am > > >> going to > > >>>>> fall out of the boat. > > >>>>> My wife is close to saying she’s not helping any more as she only > > sees > > >>>>> disaster in our future. So any suggestions will be appreciated. > > >>>>> Thanks for any advice, > > >>>>> Willy Gorrissen > > >>>>> Payette Lake > > >>>>> McCall, ID > > >>>>> M-15, 606 > > >>>>> Sent from Mail< > > >> > > > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.micros… > > > > > >> for Windows > > >>> -- > > >>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > > >>> -------------------------------------------- > > >>> - Eco-Living - > > >>> Whole Systems Design Services > > >>> People - Place - Learning - Integration > > >>> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > > >>> http://eco-living.net > > >>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 11:56:51 -0700 > From: Pete <sailbt(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Mast Raising and Lowering > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <C8A88B3F-85CF-42F5-9727-64CFC9253FA3(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Your welcome. The u-bracket above the bow sprit on the boat, I use to > fasten the bottom of the mast to with a bolt for trailering. That setup > keeps the mast off the bow sprit and a better setup. > > Plan to get the boat out this weekend in the puget sound and look forward > that setup is a safe one person job. > > Enjoy > > > On Jul 15, 2022, at 11:41 AM, Jason Leckie <leckie.jas(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Oh, I like that Pete, I have a vaguely similar setup with winch but it > is > > on an assembly that you have to mount on the deck each time, made by the > > last owner. That is a much better setup, > > > > Thanks for that idea. > > > >> On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 10:21 AM Pete <sailbt(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> On my M17, I installed a 4x4x8 treated post near the tongue of my > trailer > >> with a hand winch and wheel pull on top of beam. I connect the winch > line > >> to the jib stay once the mast is pinned to the boat saddle. I can raise > >> and lower the mast with the winch on the trailer with ease. > >> > >> Below is a pic of my installation. Without this rig, the mast was too > >> heavy to deal with. > >> > >> > >> > >> Mini Me > >> M17 > >> Camano Island, Wa > >> > >> Hope this idea helps. > >> > >> Thanks, Pete > >> > >>>> On Jul 15, 2022, at 6:54 AM, Gail Russell <gail(a)zeliga.com> wrote: > >>> There seems to be an autocorrect typo here. I think you meant an > >> "electric > >>> wench?" > >>> > >>> On Fri, Jul 15, 2022, 4:43 AM Charles Adams via montgomery_boats < > >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I’ve been reading this with interest. I raise and lower the mast on my > >> M17 > >>>> this way. I attached a 2x4x8 to front of my trailer with a pulley at > top > >>>> and a cheap trailer wrench. I attach a line at the spreaders. I have a > >> mast > >>>> support on stern of trailer. My wife cranks the wrench and I just keep > >> mast > >>>> steady. By lifting from spreaders eliminates most of the swaying if > >> lifting > >>>> from mast head. I’m going to add two lines to steady mast even more to > >>>> eliminate my wife. You say how do I get line to spreader if mast > >> standing. > >>>> Simple. Weight one end of lite line and toss from both sides. I use a > >> clip > >>>> at end of pull line to feed it through to pull cable. > >>>> > >>>> I assume you are raising and lowering mast on a trailer. If not the > >> basic > >>>> raise and lower could be done. I would also suggest a trip to YouTube > >> which > >>>> has many methods for raising and lowering a mast. Any time I want to > do > >>>> anything I first go to YouTube and thought everyone did that. > >>>> > >>>> I got my idea on YouTube from a guy who designed an elaborate lift > with > >> a > >>>> remote electric wrench. I eliminated all the cost and replaced it > with > >>>> wife. Still the remote electric wrench is a good idea and I can do it > at > >>>> less than half the cost he paid. Plus my idea would let me use > electric > >>>> wrench to load boat. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> When I read these comments I think back when my wife and I raised > >>>> constantly the mast on a Tanzer 22 manually. But then maybe and by > what > >> I > >>>> read on the owners group Montgomery owners are a different age > group. I > >>>> certainly am. > >>>> > >>>> Of course feed back is appreciated and any suggestions since I believe > >> it > >>>> is all a learning process. Frankly I enjoy the learning process. > >>>> > >>>> Charlie > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 11:43 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < > >>>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >>>>> I'll jump in to say that you sound like you're in plenty good shape > to > >>>> just raise the mast on an M15 by hand, start to finish, IF it were not > >> for > >>>> the darn cockpit floor being so low. > >>>>> Same problem I have in my M17. I can lift the mast weight, but I am > too > >>>> low to raise it far enough to take enough weight off to finish the > >> raise. > >>>> Unless I try and step up on the cockpit seats while lifting, but on an > >> M17 > >>>> the mast is heavy enough that that is a risky proposition. > >>>>> In the smaller cockpit of an M15 - have you tried standing on the > >>>> cockpit seats to lift the mast? > >>>>> Or putting a nice sturdy piece of plywood on top of them so you can > >> step > >>>> wherever you need to at seat height? > >>>>> That would be the next thing I would try, for the smaller mast of the > >>>> M15. > >>>>> An entirely different thought to consider - before I got my jib > furler, > >>>> I raised my M17 mast from the front, not the rear. This might be > >> something > >>>> to try also on an M15. > >>>>> Raising from the front, you are standing nice and high on the > foredeck. > >>>> If you have enough strength to start the lift of the mast off the > >> forward > >>>> crutch or pulpit, you are plenty high up to just keep lifting and it > >>>> quickly gets easier as the mast goes up. With your height (similar to > >> mine) > >>>> you would have the mast most of the way up and very light before you > >> even > >>>> had to step back from the bow towards the cabin top to finish the > lift. > >>>>> Plus the forestay never has to be disconnected, you just have to keep > >> it > >>>> (and the shrouds, as always) from snagging on anything as you raise. > >>>>> Also when you are sliding the mast to get the base to the mast step, > it > >>>> goes forward over your tow vehicle instead of rearward out into > >> whatever is > >>>> behind the boat (like sometimes a busy launch ramp parking lot where > >>>> someone might run into it...). If your tow vehicle roof is higher than > >> bow > >>>> pulpit then you'd need to set something up so the mast could slide > onto > >> the > >>>> roof without damage or snags. > >>>>> And of course this means the mast is transported with top forward > >> rather > >>>> than aft. > >>>>> Also, on an M15 with shrouds aft of mast step you would need to > loosen > >>>> them a bit to raise, and then put back to sailing trim. > >>>>> What I do now since I have to raise from rear due to furler is > >> basically > >>>> what someone posted already - I use my mainsheet tackle and an > extender > >>>> line, rig it to the jib halyard, clip the tackle to the pulpit. > >>>>> Remaining problem is same as before - first part of lift, to get > enough > >>>> angle on the raising line that it becomes effective. > >>>>> Solvable by having an extendable and/or detachable front crutch or > even > >>>> just raising pole on the trailer, that is higher than the pulpit, and > >>>> attach the tackle there. Then the raising line angle is effective > right > >>>> from the start. > >>>>> Once the raising line is effective it tends to keep the mast > centered, > >>>> so the side to side scariness goes away. > >>>>> cheers, > >>>>> John > >>>>> On 7/14/22 20:09, Willy Gorrissen wrote: > >>>>>> Dave, I’ll be interested in your suggestions after giving you this > >>>> information; > >>>>>> Height: 6’4” > >>>>>> Balance: Reasonable for a 75 year old > >>>>>> Strength: Okay but not good for pull-ups > >>>>>> Back/knees: No problems > >>>>>> Willy Gorrissen > >>>>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > >>>> Windows > >>>>>> From: Dave Scobie<mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com> > >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 6:03 PM > >>>>>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats<mailto: > >>>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >>>>>> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Mast Raising and Lowering > >>>>>> Willy. > >>>>>> Couple of physical and physique questions - > >>>>>> How tall are you? > >>>>>> How is your balance? > >>>>>> How is you upper body strength? > >>>>>> Back and/or knee issues? > >>>>>> :: Dave Scobie > >>>>>> :: M6'8" #650 > >>>>>> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > >>>>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <<-- FOR SALE! > >>>>>> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >>>>>> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022, 5:11 PM Willy Gorrissen < > gorrissen(a)hotmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> I need guidance in raising and lowering the mast on my M-15. Every > >>>> time I > >>>>>>> put my mast up or down it becomes a horror show. I only do it > twice a > >>>> year > >>>>>>> but still it should be easier than I am making it. I do raise the > >>>> transom > >>>>>>> crutch to its up position and have the shrouds connected for > raising > >>>> and > >>>>>>> lowering. Also my wife helps by pulling or easing off the main > >>>> halyard as > >>>>>>> the mast is raised or lowered. > >>>>>>> My process is to raise the crutch, connect the shrouds, put the > mast > >>>> step > >>>>>>> in the deck house bracket. I then put myself half in the cockpit > and > >>>> half > >>>>>>> down below and lift as my wife pulls. Yet until the shrouds are > tight > >>>>>>> there’s little control over where the mast might go. Lowering is > sort > >>>> of > >>>>>>> the opposite but the mast foot gets stuck in the bracket, the mast > >>>> swings > >>>>>>> right and left and once it’s down it’s difficult to find a safe > place > >>>> to > >>>>>>> stand in cockpit and wrestle the mast forward. I feels as if I am > >>>> going to > >>>>>>> fall out of the boat. > >>>>>>> My wife is close to saying she’s not helping any more as she only > >> sees > >>>>>>> disaster in our future. So any suggestions will be appreciated. > >>>>>>> Thanks for any advice, > >>>>>>> Willy Gorrissen > >>>>>>> Payette Lake > >>>>>>> McCall, ID > >>>>>>> M-15, 606 > >>>>>>> Sent from Mail< > >>>> > >> > https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.micros… > >>> > >>>> for Windows > >>>>> -- > >>>>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > >>>>> -------------------------------------------- > >>>>> - Eco-Living - > >>>>> Whole Systems Design Services > >>>>> People - Place - Learning - Integration > >>>>> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > >>>>> http://eco-living.net > >>>>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com > >> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > To unsubscribe send an email to > montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 233, Issue 20 > ************************************************* >

2 1

Fw: Mooring a vessel / Fenders
by David Grah 15 Jul '22

15 Jul '22

Connie always has good information and perspective to offer! It looks like his post below didn't reach the list for some reason even though the address looks correct to me. I'll try forwarding it. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com>To: David Grah <d_b_grah(a)yahoo.com>Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022, 08:52:28 AM PDTSubject: Fwd: Mooring a vessel / Fenders Good morning David, I tried sending this to the Montgomery website, but it apparently didn't get there. Would you forward it to the Montgomery gang please. Could you also check the mailing address I used and correct it if it has changed. Happy sailing Cnnie -------- Forwarded Message -------- | Subject: | Mooring a vessel / Fenders | | Date: | Thu, 14 Jul 2022 10:50:05 -0500 | | From: | Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> | | To: | For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> | Good morning M-sailors May I give you a course in Mooring 101? To moor a vessel properly you have to meet four conditions: - The bow has to remain in a spot where you want it to be - The stern has to do the same - The boat has to be prevented from moving forward or backwards at the moor location. To accomplish this you need four mooring lines: - A bow line - A stern line - A forward spring line - An aft spring line The first line to go ashore should be the forward spring line. This line is is cleated at your anchor cleat and then is fastened to the dock. When it is cleated, it stops the boat from moving forward. The second line will be the aft spring line. It goes from a stern cleat on our boat to a cleat on the dock at the bow or further forward - where ever... Now your boat can't move forward or backwards. The next line are the bow and stern lines. As their name implies, the bow line goes from the bow of your boat to a cleat on the dock. The stern line does the same. With these four mooring lines in place, you boat can't move forward or aft; and the bow and stern of the vessel are fixed as well. Next problem: Prevent abrasion of your hull on concrete surfaces, or barnacle covered pilings. This is where fenders enter the game. If you are at a place, with no tide, and negligible waves, and you are mooring against a fairly smooth surface, one fender hung at the middle of the boat should suffice. If, however, you are docking in an area with high speed outboard boats towing water skiers, or big stink-potters who totally disregard the "NO WAKE" rule, you need more, and better protection from their waves. The answer to this problem is to use a "Fender Board". A fender board can be any old piece of a 2 X 4 , say 4 feet long. At the ends of the 2" surface drill a hole for a line. Thread a piece of 1/4" - or what have you - line through each hole and put a stopper knot on the bottom end. Voila, you now own a fender board. At this point you will need two fenders on the side of the hull. The fender board is hung on the outboard side of the fenders. Now your boat can bounce in the waves, but all the rubbing against the dock is done by the fender board. Over time it can get chewed up by - in my case - barnacles and tides. Building a new fender board, now that you know how to make one - probably takes you 15 minutes. It is as important as fenders are on a boat. Happy sailing Connie ex M15 #400 LEPPO ;

2 1

M17 Cockpit floor/bottom paint removal
by E Blohm 15 Jul '22

15 Jul '22

I went to pickup my M-17 from the sandblaster yesterday and they didn’t even start on it! The owner of business was not present so I pulled it home thinking $900 was a little steep for paint removal anyway Maybe it was a blessing in disguise? I think I’ll just remove it myself and save $$$. I guess the options for DIY are Sanding/Scraping Or Chemically removing bottom paint. If anyone has a method please share. I drilled 3 exploratory holes under cockpit floor yesterday and the interior core is bone dry despite many spider cracks in the non-skid and a subtle cracking sound when walking on it. I’ve been reading a bunch on Fiberglass repair and it seems like a simple delaminatiom. The one technique recommended is to use thinned epoxy injected into holes in the non-skid @3’ apart over delam area (pretty much all of it). Then sand and epoxy/paint. Does that seem like a good solution? I have all the supplies now to start transom repair which I hope to start Monday. Erik Sent from my iPhone

7 11

Re: Mast Raising and Lowering
by Pete 15 Jul '22

15 Jul '22

On my M17, I installed a 4x4x8 treated post near the tongue of my trailer with a hand winch and wheel pull on top of beam. I connect the winch line to the jib stay once the mast is pinned to the boat saddle. I can raise and lower the mast with the winch on the trailer with ease. Below is a pic of my installation. Without this rig, the mast was too heavy to deal with. Mini Me M17 Camano Island, Wa Hope this idea helps. Thanks, Pete > On Jul 15, 2022, at 6:54 AM, Gail Russell <gail(a)zeliga.com> wrote: > There seems to be an autocorrect typo here. I think you meant an "electric > wench?" > > On Fri, Jul 15, 2022, 4:43 AM Charles Adams via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >> I’ve been reading this with interest. I raise and lower the mast on my M17 >> this way. I attached a 2x4x8 to front of my trailer with a pulley at top >> and a cheap trailer wrench. I attach a line at the spreaders. I have a mast >> support on stern of trailer. My wife cranks the wrench and I just keep mast >> steady. By lifting from spreaders eliminates most of the swaying if lifting >> from mast head. I’m going to add two lines to steady mast even more to >> eliminate my wife. You say how do I get line to spreader if mast standing. >> Simple. Weight one end of lite line and toss from both sides. I use a clip >> at end of pull line to feed it through to pull cable. >> >> I assume you are raising and lowering mast on a trailer. If not the basic >> raise and lower could be done. I would also suggest a trip to YouTube which >> has many methods for raising and lowering a mast. Any time I want to do >> anything I first go to YouTube and thought everyone did that. >> >> I got my idea on YouTube from a guy who designed an elaborate lift with a >> remote electric wrench. I eliminated all the cost and replaced it with >> wife. Still the remote electric wrench is a good idea and I can do it at >> less than half the cost he paid. Plus my idea would let me use electric >> wrench to load boat. >> >> >> When I read these comments I think back when my wife and I raised >> constantly the mast on a Tanzer 22 manually. But then maybe and by what I >> read on the owners group Montgomery owners are a different age group. I >> certainly am. >> >> Of course feed back is appreciated and any suggestions since I believe it >> is all a learning process. Frankly I enjoy the learning process. >> >> Charlie >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 14, 2022, at 11:43 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: >>> I'll jump in to say that you sound like you're in plenty good shape to >> just raise the mast on an M15 by hand, start to finish, IF it were not for >> the darn cockpit floor being so low. >>> Same problem I have in my M17. I can lift the mast weight, but I am too >> low to raise it far enough to take enough weight off to finish the raise. >> Unless I try and step up on the cockpit seats while lifting, but on an M17 >> the mast is heavy enough that that is a risky proposition. >>> In the smaller cockpit of an M15 - have you tried standing on the >> cockpit seats to lift the mast? >>> Or putting a nice sturdy piece of plywood on top of them so you can step >> wherever you need to at seat height? >>> That would be the next thing I would try, for the smaller mast of the >> M15. >>> An entirely different thought to consider - before I got my jib furler, >> I raised my M17 mast from the front, not the rear. This might be something >> to try also on an M15. >>> Raising from the front, you are standing nice and high on the foredeck. >> If you have enough strength to start the lift of the mast off the forward >> crutch or pulpit, you are plenty high up to just keep lifting and it >> quickly gets easier as the mast goes up. With your height (similar to mine) >> you would have the mast most of the way up and very light before you even >> had to step back from the bow towards the cabin top to finish the lift. >>> Plus the forestay never has to be disconnected, you just have to keep it >> (and the shrouds, as always) from snagging on anything as you raise. >>> Also when you are sliding the mast to get the base to the mast step, it >> goes forward over your tow vehicle instead of rearward out into whatever is >> behind the boat (like sometimes a busy launch ramp parking lot where >> someone might run into it...). If your tow vehicle roof is higher than bow >> pulpit then you'd need to set something up so the mast could slide onto the >> roof without damage or snags. >>> And of course this means the mast is transported with top forward rather >> than aft. >>> Also, on an M15 with shrouds aft of mast step you would need to loosen >> them a bit to raise, and then put back to sailing trim. >>> What I do now since I have to raise from rear due to furler is basically >> what someone posted already - I use my mainsheet tackle and an extender >> line, rig it to the jib halyard, clip the tackle to the pulpit. >>> Remaining problem is same as before - first part of lift, to get enough >> angle on the raising line that it becomes effective. >>> Solvable by having an extendable and/or detachable front crutch or even >> just raising pole on the trailer, that is higher than the pulpit, and >> attach the tackle there. Then the raising line angle is effective right >> from the start. >>> Once the raising line is effective it tends to keep the mast centered, >> so the side to side scariness goes away. >>> cheers, >>> John >>> On 7/14/22 20:09, Willy Gorrissen wrote: >>>> Dave, I’ll be interested in your suggestions after giving you this >> information; >>>> Height: 6’4” >>>> Balance: Reasonable for a 75 year old >>>> Strength: Okay but not good for pull-ups >>>> Back/knees: No problems >>>> Willy Gorrissen >>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for >> Windows >>>> From: Dave Scobie<mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 6:03 PM >>>> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats<mailto: >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>>> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Mast Raising and Lowering >>>> Willy. >>>> Couple of physical and physique questions - >>>> How tall are you? >>>> How is your balance? >>>> How is you upper body strength? >>>> Back and/or knee issues? >>>> :: Dave Scobie >>>> :: M6'8" #650 >>>> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <<-- FOR SALE! >>>> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >>>> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com >>>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022, 5:11 PM Willy Gorrissen <gorrissen(a)hotmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>> I need guidance in raising and lowering the mast on my M-15. Every >> time I >>>>> put my mast up or down it becomes a horror show. I only do it twice a >> year >>>>> but still it should be easier than I am making it. I do raise the >> transom >>>>> crutch to its up position and have the shrouds connected for raising >> and >>>>> lowering. Also my wife helps by pulling or easing off the main >> halyard as >>>>> the mast is raised or lowered. >>>>> My process is to raise the crutch, connect the shrouds, put the mast >> step >>>>> in the deck house bracket. I then put myself half in the cockpit and >> half >>>>> down below and lift as my wife pulls. Yet until the shrouds are tight >>>>> there’s little control over where the mast might go. Lowering is sort >> of >>>>> the opposite but the mast foot gets stuck in the bracket, the mast >> swings >>>>> right and left and once it’s down it’s difficult to find a safe place >> to >>>>> stand in cockpit and wrestle the mast forward. I feels as if I am >> going to >>>>> fall out of the boat. >>>>> My wife is close to saying she’s not helping any more as she only sees >>>>> disaster in our future. So any suggestions will be appreciated. >>>>> Thanks for any advice, >>>>> Willy Gorrissen >>>>> Payette Lake >>>>> McCall, ID >>>>> M-15, 606 >>>>> Sent from Mail< >> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.micros…> >> for Windows >>> -- >>> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> - Eco-Living - >>> Whole Systems Design Services >>> People - Place - Learning - Integration >>> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >>> http://eco-living.net >>> http://sociocracyconsulting.com

3 3

Re: Mast Raising and Lowering
by Charles Adams 15 Jul '22

15 Jul '22

I’ve been reading this with interest. I raise and lower the mast on my M17 this way. I attached a 2x4x8 to front of my trailer with a pulley at top and a cheap trailer wrench. I attach a line at the spreaders. I have a mast support on stern of trailer. My wife cranks the wrench and I just keep mast steady. By lifting from spreaders eliminates most of the swaying if lifting from mast head. I’m going to add two lines to steady mast even more to eliminate my wife. You say how do I get line to spreader if mast standing. Simple. Weight one end of lite line and toss from both sides. I use a clip at end of pull line to feed it through to pull cable. I assume you are raising and lowering mast on a trailer. If not the basic raise and lower could be done. I would also suggest a trip to YouTube which has many methods for raising and lowering a mast. Any time I want to do anything I first go to YouTube and thought everyone did that. I got my idea on YouTube from a guy who designed an elaborate lift with a remote electric wrench. I eliminated all the cost and replaced it with wife. Still the remote electric wrench is a good idea and I can do it at less than half the cost he paid. Plus my idea would let me use electric wrench to load boat. When I read these comments I think back when my wife and I raised constantly the mast on a Tanzer 22 manually. But then maybe and by what I read on the owners group Montgomery owners are a different age group. I certainly am. Of course feed back is appreciated and any suggestions since I believe it is all a learning process. Frankly I enjoy the learning process. Charlie Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 14, 2022, at 11:43 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > I'll jump in to say that you sound like you're in plenty good shape to just raise the mast on an M15 by hand, start to finish, IF it were not for the darn cockpit floor being so low. > > Same problem I have in my M17. I can lift the mast weight, but I am too low to raise it far enough to take enough weight off to finish the raise. Unless I try and step up on the cockpit seats while lifting, but on an M17 the mast is heavy enough that that is a risky proposition. > > In the smaller cockpit of an M15 - have you tried standing on the cockpit seats to lift the mast? > Or putting a nice sturdy piece of plywood on top of them so you can step wherever you need to at seat height? > That would be the next thing I would try, for the smaller mast of the M15. > > An entirely different thought to consider - before I got my jib furler, I raised my M17 mast from the front, not the rear. This might be something to try also on an M15. > Raising from the front, you are standing nice and high on the foredeck. If you have enough strength to start the lift of the mast off the forward crutch or pulpit, you are plenty high up to just keep lifting and it quickly gets easier as the mast goes up. With your height (similar to mine) you would have the mast most of the way up and very light before you even had to step back from the bow towards the cabin top to finish the lift. > Plus the forestay never has to be disconnected, you just have to keep it (and the shrouds, as always) from snagging on anything as you raise. > Also when you are sliding the mast to get the base to the mast step, it goes forward over your tow vehicle instead of rearward out into whatever is behind the boat (like sometimes a busy launch ramp parking lot where someone might run into it...). If your tow vehicle roof is higher than bow pulpit then you'd need to set something up so the mast could slide onto the roof without damage or snags. > And of course this means the mast is transported with top forward rather than aft. > Also, on an M15 with shrouds aft of mast step you would need to loosen them a bit to raise, and then put back to sailing trim. > > What I do now since I have to raise from rear due to furler is basically what someone posted already - I use my mainsheet tackle and an extender line, rig it to the jib halyard, clip the tackle to the pulpit. > Remaining problem is same as before - first part of lift, to get enough angle on the raising line that it becomes effective. > Solvable by having an extendable and/or detachable front crutch or even just raising pole on the trailer, that is higher than the pulpit, and attach the tackle there. Then the raising line angle is effective right from the start. > Once the raising line is effective it tends to keep the mast centered, so the side to side scariness goes away. > > cheers, > John > > > On 7/14/22 20:09, Willy Gorrissen wrote: >> Dave, I’ll be interested in your suggestions after giving you this information; >> Height: 6’4” >> Balance: Reasonable for a 75 year old >> Strength: Okay but not good for pull-ups >> Back/knees: No problems >> Willy Gorrissen >> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows >> From: Dave Scobie<mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com> >> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2022 6:03 PM >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats<mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> >> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Mast Raising and Lowering >> Willy. >> Couple of physical and physique questions - >> How tall are you? >> How is your balance? >> How is you upper body strength? >> Back and/or knee issues? >> :: Dave Scobie >> :: M6'8" #650 >> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU >> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com <<-- FOR SALE! >> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com >> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com >> On Wed, Jul 13, 2022, 5:11 PM Willy Gorrissen <gorrissen(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >>> I need guidance in raising and lowering the mast on my M-15. Every time I >>> put my mast up or down it becomes a horror show. I only do it twice a year >>> but still it should be easier than I am making it. I do raise the transom >>> crutch to its up position and have the shrouds connected for raising and >>> lowering. Also my wife helps by pulling or easing off the main halyard as >>> the mast is raised or lowered. >>> My process is to raise the crutch, connect the shrouds, put the mast step >>> in the deck house bracket. I then put myself half in the cockpit and half >>> down below and lift as my wife pulls. Yet until the shrouds are tight >>> there’s little control over where the mast might go. Lowering is sort of >>> the opposite but the mast foot gets stuck in the bracket, the mast swings >>> right and left and once it’s down it’s difficult to find a safe place to >>> stand in cockpit and wrestle the mast forward. I feels as if I am going to >>> fall out of the boat. >>> My wife is close to saying she’s not helping any more as she only sees >>> disaster in our future. So any suggestions will be appreciated. >>> Thanks for any advice, >>> Willy Gorrissen >>> Payette Lake >>> McCall, ID >>> M-15, 606 >>> Sent from Mail<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.micros…> for Windows > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com

3 4

Photos
by Jon Barber 15 Jul '22

15 Jul '22

I do not get any photos when I look at posts. Is this normal? Does anyone access to the MSOG photosite? I am 404 forbidden. I'm couch surfing for now and I'd like to update my photos. I'm grounded for awhile and have time to do so. Jon Barber Monty 17 Ol'44

3 2