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Re: M_Boats: Hawaii M15
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 21 May '12

21 May '12

The last time I spoke with them, the owners of Little Breeze were moving from Oahu to the Big Island and I believe they planned to take the boat with them.. sal In a message dated 5/20/2012 10:18:03 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, Nebwest2(a)aol.com writes: The M15 Little Breeze was in the Waikiki area. I don't know if it is still there or not but there is info on it on the msog photo site at: _http://www.msogphotosite.com/M15Breez1.html_ (http://www.msogphotosite.com/M15Breez1.html) might be worth a look

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Re: M_Boats: New list member - looking for Montgomery encounters
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 21 May '12

21 May '12

I'm sorry, but I gotta say, and this is just my opinion....the lack of subtleness of the Sage plug above is a little bothersome. C'mon guys. It's growing tiresome. The gentleman came to a Montgomery forum, looking for information on a Montgomery boat, not a "Jerry design", "wrinkle boat" or whatever other generic term we want to use to try to include the Sages on the Monty forums. Sage has a forum. I go there and enjoy it. You have a great boat in the Sage 17 no doubt. I only speak for myself and I may be totally alone on this one, but Sage being injected in my face nonstop every time a question is asked on a Montgomery forum is wearing thin and to me does not demonstrate the "integrity" that Sage touts as their motto ("Integrity is being good even when no-one is looking). I realize that yes Dave and Sal both have Mboats and the offer was there to show the Mboat as well, but we somehow conveniently switched the term Montgomery for "Jerry Montgomery Design" a marketing tactic of late that allows the injection of Sage into a conversation that is about Montgomerys, and also threw the offer to show the Sage in there for good measure. I'm not taking sides here between Montgomery and Sage, but I suspect if the owner of a competing boat company did that on the Sage forum it would not be looked at favorably. Poor form. My wish is that you guys would certainly participate in the forums as Montgomery Owners, which you both are...Rather than representatives of Sage Marine trying to slide in a continuous sales pitch. I know that this viewpoint won't be viewed favorably by all and that's OK, but I refuse to continue see it to happen and just act like either I don't understand what is taking place, or that I don't care. Neither is the case. I'm sure some will disagree with me. Maybe I am "off" here on this perception and it is just a random occurrence of Sage Marine marketing on Montgomery forums once in a while. If I am I apologize but I don't feel that this is the case and I get less enjoyment out of the forum every time it happens. If It's just me, then OK...maybe I should be moving along. Sorry for the "downer". For what it's worth. Sean

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Hawaii M15
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 21 May '12

21 May '12

The M15 Little Breeze was in the Waikiki area. I don't know if it is still there or not but there is info on it on the msog photo site at: _http://www.msogphotosite.com/M15Breez1.html_ (http://www.msogphotosite.com/M15Breez1.html) might be worth a look

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 111, Issue 3 pooling water on M23 sid
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 21 May '12

21 May '12

I did the same exact thing as John on Dauntless. Worked good. Only advice I would give would be, don't choose the hole to ream until the boat is in the water floating. You can adjust the trailer tongue height to make that hole work on land,....but adjusting the fore and aft trim at the slip just to get the right hole to be the "low point" is a different matter if you don't get the right one or two reamed out. S

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My New Toy
by wcampion＠aol.com 21 May '12

21 May '12

Well, last month I purchased an M-5.8 dinghy and today I took possession of my new toy. I bought it sight unseen, so this was the first time I had a chance to inspect the boat. This dinghy has not had an easy life. It's amazing that no matter how small the boat, they still need lots of maintenance!! I took the boat out today for a quick dip to see how well she floats. I also wanted to know just how stable such a small boat could be and how I would pilot the boat. Here are my observations. The boat is very stable. It is also, VERY small. I'm not sure how people actually sail the M-6.8. This boat did not come with oar locks, so I put a 35lb thrust elec. motor on her. It worked well. The only way I found to pilot the boat, was too sit on the front rumble seat facing backwards and work the motor. I tried to sit on the rear bench seat, but I needed to center my weight and of course I was now in the way of the motor tiller. So I shifted my weight to one side, using the battery to counter my weight. Well, with that much weight in the back of the boat, the water was only 1" below the transom. So, back to the rumble seat!! I think once I install oar locks this will be an easy rowing boat. She also looks like she will trail behind my M-15 nicely. For some strange reason, a PO (previous owner) installed blocks of wood to the port and starboard sides of the boat, which appears to have been used to support a bench seat in the front of the boat. Effectively turning the rumble seat into a full bench. Now, since I was in this boat earlier today by myself, with the exception of a battery, I would find if interesting to fit a second person in the boat. Unless that person were a garden knome. So, too modify the seating to accommodate 3 people......that's a mystery lost to history. To bring this boat back to pristine I will need to perform the following: Remove the wood blocks and repair the holes. Repair the stress crack in the keel. Repair the stress cracks along the base of the rumble seat and the hull. Repair the 'prior' repairs to the hull. (inside and out) Paint / re-gel coat the hull. Restore all of the woodwork. Install oar locks For some reason a PO 'painted' the inside of the boat with fiberglass resin. Then they painted the wood with the same resin. Now I need to remove that resin. Does anyone know of a way to remove the resin so that I can restore the woodwork? Also, once a boat has been painted, will I need to repaint it, or can I spray gel coat on the hull? If anyone has any life experience dealing with these challenges, I'd appreciate your thoughts. Thanks in advance. Skip Campion M-15 1982 #201 'Wild Guppy' M-10 1974 #177 'Lil Guppy' M-5.8 1973 #028 'To be named' - possibly 'S.S. Minow'

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Bumpety-bump
by James Poulakis 18 May '12

18 May '12

Fellow Jack Tars, Spirit is a 2007 M17. When I try to raise the mast with the shrouds set two things happen: 1) The section that runs crosswise inside the Dwyer mast hangs up on a bolt that sticks up from the mast step. I have almost eliminated this by making a semi-circular clearance cutout in this section but I still get a snag now and then. 2) Even if the mast clears the bolt I still hit a "bump" right before the mast goes full upright. One of Jerry's recent posts says that this is because the base of the mast isn't properly radiused. Cutting a radius using the distance from the center of the pivot bolt to the base of the mast as a guide makes geometric sense, but it cuts away a LOT of the aft edge of the mast base. I'm wondering if this is going to compromise the mast in some way. Has anyone done this? Jim M-17 "Spirit"

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Re: M_Boats: New M-15 owner...
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 17 May '12

17 May '12

Hi Jack and Beth, Congratulations and welcome to the world of Jerry Montgomery designs. Glad you enjoyed your sail. Gail and I own an old M15 that we are slowly restoring, but we sail her as often as we can. Lots of great folks on this board with a great deal of knowledge about the Montgomery line of boats. sal '86 M15 "Justus". In a message dated 5/17/2012 1:39:31 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, John7Jack(a)aol.com writes: I just purchased a 2010 Montgomery M15. I've been sailing a West Wight Potter P-14 for the last five years. The Potter is Lateen rigged and takes very little effort to get her on the water.I have only sailed the Montgomery once so far and have a lot to learn let. My first day was last week here in Connecticut at West Hill Lake. The winds were blowing at 18 to 25 mph, if I had the Potter I would have probably gone home. Seeing it was my first time and and my wife was with me I had to give it a shot. The lake was totally white capped and I had plenty of fear going on inside me as we shoved off. I was afraid to hoist the jib! After sailing for a half an hour, and my confidence restored, I hoisted the jib. To my surprise, there was no panic, and the M-15 handled and rode like a dream. I sailed for 6 hours under those conditions and at the end, I had a lot of respect for the M-15. I am 68 years old and I've wanted one for years. You just don't find them here in Connecticut. I drove to Alabama to get this boat and luckily I met a wonderful couple of people whom made buying it a real pleasure. The setup is a little time consuming compared to the Potter, but I feel I'll get much better at it the more I do it. I loved sailing this rig, it was pure joy, it out did my P-14 in every respect except launching and retrieving, which took more effort and time but went smoothly. My name is Jack Zukowski and my wife is Beth. I sail quite often here in Ct. I sail most of the lakes in Northwestern Connecticut and we usually go on a couple of trips a year and sail. Hope to hear from some M-15 owners, I am always listening for something that can help me out and make my day more enjoyable. Thanks, Jack and Beth!=

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Re: M_Boats: deck hull joint leak
by Theo Petron 16 May '12

16 May '12

Hi all, My M23 does have some moisture issues at the toe rail joint. Last year I removed all the interior wood on the port side and discovered the source of the leak. My solution, and it seems to be working so far this year, was to tighten all the screws holding the toe rail in place AND remove all the sealant between the deck and the tow rail. I then vacuumed out the crevice, and refilled with a generous bead of polysulfide, smoothing with my trusty finger. Another note, the previous owner(s) must have had some of the 'pooling' issues as described, because there are areas of the toe rail where large rectangles were cut out to allow more water to be relieved from the deck area. I'll look and see if I have a photo of this. YES, it's attached, not sure that is possible but we'll see. Notice the gap right at the stanchion base about midship. Right by the RotoZip (Bones, remember installing the new bronze ports??) Chef Theo Petron A la Maison Personal Chef Service cheftheo(a)comcast.net 215-913-9904

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Re: M_Boats: Teak Cockpit Grating
by bownez＠juno.com 16 May '12

16 May '12

Hi Gary, I'll see if I have a picture in my files. If not, I'll snap one and send it to you.Hope all is well with you! Bones ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 111, Issue 3 pooling water on M23 side deck
by John Muller 16 May '12

16 May '12

I have never had a leak in the area below where the water pools but I did see the potential. I reamed out a couple of the holes in the toe rail with a Dremal tool down to deck level, no more water pooling on my side deck. A 10 minute fix. John Muller M23 "Dreamtime" -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 2:16 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 111, Issue 3 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: centerboard pin (Tom Smith) 2. Re: Why you need chocks for the trailer and the tow car (GARY M HYDE) 3. Towing Vehicle Question (Jeffrey Johnston) 4. Re: Towing Vehicle Question (Howard Audsley) 5. Re: Towing Vehicle Question (Don White) 6. Re: Towing Vehicle Question (bownez(a)juno.com) 7. Re: Towing Vehicle Question (wcampion(a)aol.com) 8. Re: Towing Vehicle Question (Joe Murphy) 9. Re: Towing Vehicle Question (August Trometer) 10. Sailing Tomales again (Daniel Rich) 11. Re: Sailing Tomales again (Conbert Benneck) 12. Re: Sailing Tomales again (Tom Jenkins) 13. Re: Sailing Tomales again (Daniel Rich) 14. Dodger (Michael Garcia) 15. deck hull joint leak (I think) (Robbin Roddewig) 16. Re: deck hull joint leak (I think) (bownez(a)juno.com) 17. Re: deck hull joint leak (I think) (Jeff) 18. Re: deck hull joint leak (I think) (Robbin Roddewig) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 12:44:04 -0700 From: Tom Smith <openboatt(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: centerboard pin Message-ID: <CA+3pONKPJwqSW9X=cac2=8PB8Vg1hSxzO-3kOcDvVxN04sJGXg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Three miles around here is my limit these days, but then, I'm much younger than you are. t On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 11:07 AM, jerry montgomery <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> wrote: > My knees turned into hamburger after 25 years of running, so I'm just > getting fat now. > > > jerry > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt(a)gmail.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 8:07 PM > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: centerboard pin > > > Yeah, I couldn't figure out how the bike part of it worked... > > That was fun. ?You still do that? ?t > > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 12:22 PM, jerry montgomery > <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> wrote: >> >> No, that would be the Sac State Aquatic Center's Biathlon, where we ran >> and >> then paddled back. >> >> >> jerry >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt(a)gmail.com> >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 8:07 AM >> >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: centerboard pin >> >> >> I see Eppie's is still up and running. Didn't we paddle an outrigger >> one year? t >> >> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 7:00 PM, jerry montgomery >> <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> wrote: >>> >>> >>> That's right! You were there! >>> >>> jerry >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt(a)gmail.com> >>> >>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" >>> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 6:04 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: centerboard pin >>> >>> >>> Gristmill? t >>> >>> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 2:50 PM, jerry montgomery >>> <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> She died a couple of years ago and the whole paddling community felt >>>> badly >>>> becaue she was such a sweetheart. Her name was Teodora Cantano, like >>>> music >>>> playing if you pronounce it correctly. >>>> >>>> >>>> jerry >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk(a)gte.net> >>>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" >>>> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>>> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 2:23 PM >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: centerboard pin >>>> >>>> >>>> Jerry, >>>> I think the usual definition of DFL is more elegant, but I agree that it >>>> would not please a sweet old lady. >>>> >>>> On May 5, 2012, at 1:18 PM, jerry montgomery wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think BN means "Boat nerd", or something like that! >>>>> >>>>> I used to run a canoe/kayak race and we had two special trophies; >>>>> Ugliest >>>>> dog and the DFL trophy. It was huge race and there were always several >>>>> dogs >>>>> with the spectators. One year a sweet old lady in her 80's finished >>>>> last >>>>> and received the trophy- she looked puzzled and asked what DFL meant. >>>>> Her >>>>> husband quickly stepped in and said 'did finish last", and saved the >>>>> day. >>>>> I >>>>> thought it pretty clever. >>>>> >>>>> jerry >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk(a)gte.net> >>>>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" >>>>> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 12:46 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: M_Boats: centerboard pin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, Jerry. It is probably a good idea to watch everything at all >>>>> times, if you can figure out the meaning of what you see. I know it is >>>>> not >>>>> industry practice, but it would really be sweet if manufacturers >>>>> supplied >>>>> first buyers with diagrams/drawings and specs for everything on the >>>>> boat, >>>>> with suggestions as to what might deteriorate or fail from wear. >>>>> >>>>> BTW, I don't know what a BN is, but my Google search suggests "Brief >>>>> Nudity" or "Bangledesh Navy", both of which would make one an expert on >>>>> austinetic processes :-) >>>>> >>>>> TJ >>>>> >>>>> On May 5, 2012, at 12:21 PM, jerry montgomery wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Probably nothing to worry about, but it be smart to watch it. The pin >>>>>> was probably not passivated and it's just some interior iron bleeding >>>>>> out- >>>>>> something to do with an austinetic process, blah blah. If Sal is >>>>>> listening >>>>>> he knows all this stuff about stainless. >>>>>> The last time I saw Sal he was headed to MIT to give a lecture on >>>>>> stainless to the engineering dept! I did read a book on metals about >>>>>> 45 >>>>>> years ago when I decided I was going to be a BN, but all I remember >>>>>> are >>>>>> a >>>>>> few of the really short words. >>>>>> >>>>>> jerry >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk(a)gte.net> >>>>>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" >>>>>> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 11:52 AM >>>>>> Subject: M_Boats: centerboard pin >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Greetings, >>>>>> I have a 2004 M17, and following a week in San Diego Bay I noticed >>>>>> what >>>>>> appears to new rust stain around the centerboard pin on one side. Is >>>>>> there >>>>>> something in the hidden apparatus to be concerned about? I know the >>>>>> pin >>>>>> is >>>>>> stainless, and stainless can rust a bit, but it has never happened on >>>>>> longer >>>>>> immersions in salt water. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Tom Jenkins >>>>>> M17 Scintilla Hull 626 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >>>>>> We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. >>>>>> SPAMfighter has removed 6474 of my spam emails to date. >>>>>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>>>>> >>>>>> The Professional version does not have this message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 16:10:15 -0700 From: GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Why you need chocks for the trailer and the tow car Message-ID: <83FCD205-2849-485F-AA81-93FD0AC566CE(a)mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII As Forest Gump's Mom used to say: "stupid is as stupid does.." GARY ~~~~_/) ~~~~ M17 Hydeaway 2 On May 6, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Conbert Benneck wrote: > Enjoy: > > http://www.bitoffun.com/video_vault/boat-launch-fun.htm > > Connie ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 05:44:33 -0500 From: Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff(a)gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Towing Vehicle Question Message-ID: <CAFS5qAvT5T0Vpf_tZ+Cc2nGjx6GVeU4+iT6GP9LO9MZagjPSeg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I am a new owner of a M15 and have not yet launched her (Michigan). My tow vehicle is a Chevrolet full-size pick up which is only two wheel drive. I am having some worries as I look at my various lake launch ramps, some of which are rather steep. These trucks are nortoriously light in the rear end and I am concerned as to whether I may find myself sitting and spinning at launch and retrieve time. I cannot afford a 4WD truck and thus am wondering what options other use (other than a tow truck) to launch and retrieve their Monty's if they are in my same shoes tow vehicle wise. My trailer does have a short (3-4 foot) tongue extension. Thanks. *Jeff+* Mol?n labe! ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 07:25:15 -0500 From: Howard Audsley <haudsley(a)tranquility.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing Vehicle Question Message-ID: <5B30397D-C2B8-444C-8B5D-C84F686D19E0(a)tranquility.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I have a 4WD Tundra that I use to launch and retrieve an M17 from similar ramps. I cannot recall a time when I ever used anything but the rear wheels and that is without a tongue extension. I used a 2WD Suburban before that. If your ramp is that steep, I doubt you need the extension. She may float before the truck gets her feet wet. On May 8, 2012, at 5:44 AM, Jeffrey Johnston wrote: > I am a new owner of a M15 and have not yet launched her (Michigan). > > My tow vehicle is a Chevrolet full-size pick up which is only two wheel > drive. > > I am having some worries as I look at my various lake launch ramps, some of > which are rather steep. These trucks are nortoriously light in the rear end > and I am concerned as to whether I may find myself sitting and spinning at > launch and retrieve time. > > I cannot afford a 4WD truck and thus am wondering what options other use > (other than a tow truck) to launch and retrieve their Monty's if they are > in my same shoes tow vehicle wise. My trailer does have a short (3-4 foot) > tongue extension. > > Thanks. > > *Jeff+* > Mol?n labe! ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 09:34:06 -0300 From: Don White <princecraft49(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing Vehicle Question Message-ID: <CAEw2rei4Eyop5P1u_+qhQ9_47jWFC9+=w_-BQCuvH9jyMYmhow(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 You're lucky to have steep ramps... it's just the opposite here. My last sailboat was a 1400 lb Sandpiper 565..similar to, but a bit bigger than the M17. I was always struggling to push the boat off the trailer as I wouldn't immerse the rear wheels beyond the rubber into salt water. Retrieval was a long forced winch back onto the trailer. I used a Ford Ranger with it's underpowered 3.0 liter V6 and had no problems with power or traction. The weight your trailer tongue transfers to the drive wheels helps. If you have seaweed or kelp on the ramp, it could be a different result. On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 7:44 AM, Jeffrey Johnston <frjeff(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I am a new owner of a M15 and have not yet launched her (Michigan). > > My tow vehicle is a Chevrolet full-size pick up which is only two wheel > drive. > > I am having some worries as I look at my various lake launch ramps, some of > which are rather steep. These trucks are nortoriously light in the rear end > and I am concerned as to whether I may find myself sitting and spinning at > launch and retrieve time. > > I cannot afford a 4WD truck and thus am wondering what options other use > (other than a tow truck) to launch and retrieve their Monty's if they are > in my same shoes tow vehicle wise. My trailer does have a short (3-4 foot) > tongue extension. > > Thanks. > > *Jeff+* > Mol?n labe! > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:32:26 GMT From: "bownez(a)juno.com" <bownez(a)juno.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing Vehicle Question Message-ID: <20120508.073226.30189.0(a)webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jeff, I used a Chev S-10, 2 wheel drive for my M17 launch duties with no issues. It will make a huge difference what the ramp bed consists of. Is it a concrete apron or mud and sand?It also helps to pull out with the auto transmission in 2nd gear, not low. I think you'll be fine, the M15 is half the weight of the M17. You can always throw a length of chain and a come-along in the truck for security! Bones ____________________________________________________________ 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fa912ace53baf47792st01vuc ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 08:38:30 -0400 (EDT) From: wcampion(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing Vehicle Question Message-ID: <8CEFB2E9B79155F-1224-7A7F(a)webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jeff, If you're using a full sized truck to tow and launch an M-15, I don't believe you will have any issues. I tow and launch my M-15 with my Passat wagon and I've never experience any issues. After your first launch, I'm sure you will fell more secure with your tow vehicle. Skip -----Original Message----- From: Howard Audsley <haudsley(a)tranquility.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, May 8, 2012 8:30 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing Vehicle Question I have a 4WD Tundra that I use to launch and retrieve an M17 from similar ramps. cannot recall a time when I ever used anything but the rear wheels and that is ithout a tongue extension. I used a 2WD Suburban before that. If your ramp is that steep, I doubt you need the extension. She may float before he truck gets her feet wet. n May 8, 2012, at 5:44 AM, Jeffrey Johnston wrote: > I am a new owner of a M15 and have not yet launched her (Michigan). My tow vehicle is a Chevrolet full-size pick up which is only two wheel drive. I am having some worries as I look at my various lake launch ramps, some of which are rather steep. These trucks are nortoriously light in the rear end and I am concerned as to whether I may find myself sitting and spinning at launch and retrieve time. I cannot afford a 4WD truck and thus am wondering what options other use (other than a tow truck) to launch and retrieve their Monty's if they are in my same shoes tow vehicle wise. My trailer does have a short (3-4 foot) tongue extension. Thanks. *Jeff+* Mol?n labe! ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 09:01:17 -0400 From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray(a)embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing Vehicle Question Message-ID: <6621B480C13942CB8E924A49B85CE9CE@D72VSMG1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jeff, I tow my M17 with a two wheel drive Dodge Dakota and have never had any traction issues. Now, backing up is another story indeed.. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey Johnston To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 6:44 AM Subject: M_Boats: Towing Vehicle Question I am a new owner of a M15 and have not yet launched her (Michigan). My tow vehicle is a Chevrolet full-size pick up which is only two wheel drive. I am having some worries as I look at my various lake launch ramps, some of which are rather steep. These trucks are nortoriously light in the rear end and I am concerned as to whether I may find myself sitting and spinning at launch and retrieve time. I cannot afford a 4WD truck and thus am wondering what options other use (other than a tow truck) to launch and retrieve their Monty's if they are in my same shoes tow vehicle wise. My trailer does have a short (3-4 foot) tongue extension. Thanks. *Jeff+* Mol?n labe! ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 09:15:16 -0400 From: "August Trometer" <atrometer(a)gmail.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Towing Vehicle Question Message-ID: <000c01cd2d1c$9ce28ec0$d6a7ac40$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" You can install a hitch ON THE FRONT of the truck. When you get to the ramp switch to the front tow hitch, keeping your drive tires on dry, slime free surface, OR put on a tongue extension or use a "come along" (block and tackle) hooked to the truck and the trailer, to leave the truck high and dry. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+atrometer=gmail.com(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+atrometer=gmail.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Johnston Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 6:45 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Towing Vehicle Question I am a new owner of a M15 and have not yet launched her (Michigan). My tow vehicle is a Chevrolet full-size pick up which is only two wheel drive. I am having some worries as I look at my various lake launch ramps, some of which are rather steep. These trucks are nortoriously light in the rear end and I am concerned as to whether I may find myself sitting and spinning at launch and retrieve time. I cannot afford a 4WD truck and thus am wondering what options other use (other than a tow truck) to launch and retrieve their Monty's if they are in my same shoes tow vehicle wise. My trailer does have a short (3-4 foot) tongue extension. Thanks. *Jeff+* Mol?n labe! ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 19:50:42 -0700 From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Sailing Tomales again Message-ID: <9F4E706D-10A6-437E-9E2B-55A06D1B73F9(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I never get tired of Tomales Bay. It is also the closest place for me to sail! Every time I go out in the M15 I am reminded of what a fabulous design it is. The wind picked up later in the day. The M15 just takes it so well and predictably. My dog has learned how to beat to windward. Every time I tack he high sides with me. Nice that he is a pack animal and does what everybody else is doing. Mostly I think he just wants the protection! He does not like the water. But he hates being left behind even more. Short video for those interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT9h6nETVBY Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich(a)gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 10:52:07 -0400 From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)sbcglobal.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sailing Tomales again Message-ID: <4FAA8497.70602(a)sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 08-May-12 10:50 PM, Daniel Rich wrote: Hi Dan, Thanks for letting me enjoy sailing with you on an M15 in such a lovely area. Ah, to be 30 years younger so that I could join you. Connie ex M15 #400 LEPPO > I never get tired of Tomales Bay. It is also the closest place for me to sail! Every time I go out in the M15 I am reminded of what a fabulous design it is. The wind picked up later in the day. The M15 just takes it so well and predictably. > > My dog has learned how to beat to windward. Every time I tack he high sides with me. Nice that he is a pack animal and does what everybody else is doing. Mostly I think he just wants the protection! He does not like the water. But he hates being left behind even more. > > Short video for those interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT9h6nETVBY > > > Daniel Rich > M15 #208 "Kestrel" > danielgrich(a)gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 11:10:55 -0700 From: Tom Jenkins <tjenk(a)gte.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sailing Tomales again Message-ID: <C931B0CB-0BC4-4D52-8384-BEB8468D46A5(a)gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Daniel, Thanks for the video! Nice sailing day, and your boat seemed to like it. If one were inspired to give it a try, where would one find that launching ramp? Are the tides an issue with shoaling water, etc. ? Is there any place to anchor out, or might there be campgrounds or local hotels, and available guest slips on the Bay? Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla On May 8, 2012, at 7:50 PM, Daniel Rich wrote: > I never get tired of Tomales Bay. It is also the closest place for me to sail! Every time I go out in the M15 I am reminded of what a fabulous design it is. The wind picked up later in the day. The M15 just takes it so well and predictably. > > My dog has learned how to beat to windward. Every time I tack he high sides with me. Nice that he is a pack animal and does what everybody else is doing. Mostly I think he just wants the protection! He does not like the water. But he hates being left behind even more. > > Short video for those interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT9h6nETVBY > > > Daniel Rich > M15 #208 "Kestrel" > danielgrich(a)gmail.com > > > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 18:23:25 -0700 From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich(a)gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sailing Tomales again Message-ID: <23820653-F1EC-482F-91EE-908944354C38(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ah, my boat loves it! This is a great place to sail. The ramp is public, and is terrific. It is located right next to Nick's Cove Restaurant and Inn. Here is the link: http://www.marincounty.org/Depts/PK/Divisions/Parks/Miller-Boat-Launch Here it is on Google Maps: http://g.co/maps/ccq3p There is definitely an issue with the tides. Tomales Bay is very shallow in many parts. The ramp can be totally dry at low tide! When looking at the tide charts I need at least 1.5 feet above mean low to float my M15 and retrieve. I use the tide maps on SailFlow. Really nice website for that. So, typically I sail when the tide is coming up around 11:00 AM, and sail until around 4:00 PM. The winds usually kick up around noon into the afternoon. It can really blow, but it is much safer than the open ocean around here. Usually you have to beat to windward quite a bit to get back to the dock. Also, I get back to the dock in a funny way that I have worked out over the years. Normally you would want to go to the leeward side of the dock and swing the bow around upwind and stop. That can work, but if you miss, you run out of room really quick there! Very shallow very fast. So, I don't do that. What I do is get upwind of the dock, heave to, drop the main, and come in on a run or reach with t There are many places to anchor out and camp right across the bay. Nice beaches and coves on the Point Reyes National Seashore side. I have never done it, because I have only day sailed there. But many on this list have. Dan Phy, Jim Kirwan, and Brad Evans to name a few. I'm sure they can chime in here to help with that question. There are no slips right there. Nick's Cove has lovely accommodations, but is very pricey. The restaurant is fun. Probably the next closest town with accommodations is inland at Petaluma. Numerous motels and hotels there. Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich(a)gmail.com On May 9, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Tom Jenkins wrote: > Daniel, > Thanks for the video! Nice sailing day, and your boat seemed to like it. If one were inspired to give it a try, where would one find that launching ramp? Are the tides an issue with shoaling water, etc. ? Is there any place to anchor out, or might there be campgrounds or local hotels, and available guest slips on the Bay? > Tom Jenkins > M17 Scintilla > > On May 8, 2012, at 7:50 PM, Daniel Rich wrote: > >> I never get tired of Tomales Bay. It is also the closest place for me to sail! Every time I go out in the M15 I am reminded of what a fabulous design it is. The wind picked up later in the day. The M15 just takes it so well and predictably. >> >> My dog has learned how to beat to windward. Every time I tack he high sides with me. Nice that he is a pack animal and does what everybody else is doing. Mostly I think he just wants the protection! He does not like the water. But he hates being left behind even more. >> >> Short video for those interested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT9h6nETVBY >> >> >> Daniel Rich >> M15 #208 "Kestrel" >> danielgrich(a)gmail.com >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 00:02:29 -0400 From: Michael Garcia <mgarciaatc(a)gmail.com> To: "montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Dodger Message-ID: <59936EAC-BAE7-4284-BD9E-F6450204A8BA(a)gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I seem to remember a reference in Small Craft Advisor regarding a dodger for an M17. Of course that is the issue that I didn't save. Can anyone provide information or experience putting a companionway dodger on their 17? Also, does anyone sleep in the cockpit of a 17? Thanks, Mike Sent from my iPad ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 21:51:31 -0400 From: Robbin Roddewig <robbin.roddewig(a)verizon.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: deck hull joint leak (I think) Message-ID: <4FB06523.7030202(a)verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi there M-boaters, I have a question regarding some water intrusion and rot. When I pulled out my port quarter berth cushions the other week to have them recovered I noticed some water below one of the cushions. There was no reason it should be there so I started to poke around. I found that a section of the ash strips on the side of the hull were black and rotted (nasty looking). The previous owner had put a hanging zip bag over this section hiding it so I had not noticed it before. I believe that this area must be seeing leakage from the deck (it is below a port light but no way is this amount of rot from a leaking port). The area that is molding and is just below where the water tends to pool on the side decks. The perforated toe rail does not allow all the water to drain. So I am guessing that it has been seeping in through the toe rail/deck hull joint where it pools. I want to take off the ash slats to see what is going on but I have a shelf in the way. I nice teak shelf without any water damage. How can I remove the shelf? It has teak plugs all over but I did not want to just start drilling them out. Any suggestions on decyphering how the shelf is attached? If it is the joint (which it just has to be) how does one go about resealing? I think Sean said he has done some work like this but I do not remember to much description except it was not fun. Any suggestions will be most appreciated. Cheers Robbin M-23 and M-10 ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 03:21:32 GMT From: "bownez(a)juno.com" <bownez(a)juno.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: deck hull joint leak (I think) Message-ID: <20120513.222132.21101.0(a)webmail13.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Robbin, I have a small leak in that same area on my M23. It does seem to be below where the water pools next to the toerail.I'd like to solve the issue too, but I have yet to address it. My leak is not major (yet), but the only way I can see to remedy the situation is to remove the aluminum toe rail completely, clean, check deck to hull joint, and rebed the toerail.Not an easy job to say the least.Perhaps Jerry will chime in on this topic. I seem to recall Theo has a similar issue on his M23. On a brighter note, I went for my first sail of the season today and it was fabulous. Bones ____________________________________________________________ 60&#45Year&#45Old Mom Looks 25 Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors&#33 http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fb07a4f9bf6711dc82dst01vuc ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 07:06:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff <northwave20(a)yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: deck hull joint leak (I think) Message-ID: <1337004388.13156.YahooMailNeo(a)web120802.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Robbin, ? Thought I would respond because when I bought my M-23 in Tucson the inside of the hull was not lined in wood as most factory finished boats were.? Sean was the first one to notice that on my boat the hull to deck joint was fiberglassed together on the inside.? I don't think this was typical, but it does not leak.? Not sure if the fix for you would be better from the inside or outside.? I have since insulated and lined the inside of the hull with wood but made it so I could remove the wood strips if needed to get at the hull or deck joint. ? By the way, living in Bellingham now and the boat is in the water at Sandy Point.? Had a great time sailing out to Sucia Island the other day.? Got to sail about 7 miles on one tack... Nice to be in?'big' water again! ? Should be ready for the next montgomery San Juan trip! ? Jeff M-23 Clarity ________________________________ From: Robbin Roddewig <robbin.roddewig(a)verizon.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 6:51 PM Subject: M_Boats: deck hull joint leak (I think) Hi there M-boaters, I have a question regarding some water intrusion and rot.? When I pulled out my port quarter berth cushions the other week to have them recovered I noticed some water below one of the cushions.? There was no reason it should be there so I started to poke around.? I found that a section of the ash strips on the side of the hull were black and rotted (nasty looking).? The previous owner had put a hanging zip bag over this section hiding it so I had not noticed it before. I believe that this area must be seeing leakage from the deck (it is below a port light but no way is this amount of rot from a leaking port).? The area that is molding and is just below where the water tends to pool on the side decks. The perforated toe rail does not allow all the water to drain.? So I am guessing that it has been seeping in through the toe rail/deck hull joint where it pools.? I want to take off the ash slats to see what is going on but I have a shelf in the way.? I nice teak shelf without any water damage.? How can I remove the shelf?? It has teak plugs all over but I did not want to just start drilling them out.? Any suggestions on decyphering how the shelf is attached? If it is the joint (which it just has to be) how does one go about resealing?? I think Sean said he has done some work like this but I do not remember to much description except it was not fun. Any suggestions will be most appreciated. Cheers Robbin M-23 and M-10 ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 17:15:54 -0400 From: Robbin Roddewig <robbin.roddewig(a)verizon.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: deck hull joint leak (I think) Message-ID: <4FB1760A.8000405(a)verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Thanks Bones, I cannot really tell if my leak is major but man it must have been at one point. At first glance I thought there had been a fire alongside about a 1' x 1' section of the ash slats. Upon closer look it was mold. And at least two of the slats are butter from the rot. So it may have been worse some time in the past but it is still there if I am getting water under the cushions. Initial problem is getting that shelf outta there to see what is back there. We are having a couple inches of rain over today and the next few days so I will check again soon. After I mailed out it occurred to me I had not looked in the book according to Casey. He has a good section on repairing hull to deck joint but it looks like a bit of work. Nothing compared to prying out a 350lb center board and getting that refinished and put back in mind you. All in the line of keeping a maritime legacy going eh? Thanks Robbin On 5/13/2012 11:21 PM, bownez(a)juno.com wrote: > Hi Robbin, I have a small leak in that same area on my M23. It does seem to be below where the water pools next to the toerail.I'd like to solve the issue too, but I have yet to address it. My leak is not major (yet), but the only way I can see to remedy the situation is to remove the aluminum toe rail completely, clean, check deck to hull joint, and rebed the toerail.Not an easy job to say the least.Perhaps Jerry will chime in on this topic. I seem to recall Theo has a similar issue on his M23. On a brighter note, I went for my first sail of the season today and it was fabulous. Bones > ____________________________________________________________ > 60&#45Year&#45Old Mom Looks 25 > Mom Reveals $5 Wrinkle Trick That Has Angered Doctors&#33 > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fb07a4f9bf6711dc82dst01vuc > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 111, Issue 3 ************************************************

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