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Little Breeze M15
by Michael Mann 18 Nov '15

18 Nov '15

Hi, My name is Michael Mann and in 1982, I sailed the Montgomery 15, Little Breeze from CA to Hawaii. I see on the web site that she has been rescued by new owners in Hawaii and I would love to correspond with them. I am currently sailing on a container ship headed for Honolulu and would welcome the chance to make contact. Thanks for any info. Michael Mann

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replacement windows
by Bonnie Kostka 15 Aug '13

15 Aug '13

A while back someone mentioned where to buy replacement widows, Did anyone buy them & where did they buy them? Bonnie M15

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Montgomery Sailboats are in high demand
by Bob Eeg 14 Jul '13

14 Jul '13

And are built with top-notch quality. There is nothing in the market place faster, better built and as good looking as a Montgomery Sailboat. I don't run a factory; I run a very small boatshop. I built to order on a boat by boat basis. I do a lot of custom work when asked. Bronze ports, Stainless ports, extra ballast, Custom electrical systems, Idasailor rudders, anchoring packages..etc. This work is labor intensive. Quality takes time. I have 3 employees. These people are highly experienced in Laminating, construction, assembly and finish. Woodworking and other skills result in a absolutely beautiful sailing vessel. I use the best sails the best rigging, the best custom stainless fasteners..and yes....(laughing) the best cushions. This last 15 months have been EXTREMELY busy; hiring new help was impossible because all the good people are gone. We had a tremendous BACKLOG and we caught a break only when Pacific Seacraft employees (let go) began filtering into our shop looking for work. We did add some additional crew in the Laminating Shop and because of that we are caught up. Pacific Seacrafts Bankruptcy was good for us. Bad for the dozens of good people who are out of work. The FIRST question of anyone buying a new boat should be 'How is the construction quality'? First and foremost that is the most important issue. I can say that everyone has experienced and will continue to experience a BACKLOG of orders; especially if the boat is as popular as a Montgomery Sailboat. When we had an 8 month backlog and I actually turned down 2 M_17 orders so we could catch our breath. It is impossible to work any harder or any faster. Now that were caught up we can get back to our normal 50-70 days (depending on model and options). Also custom work really adds to the production time. One beautiful M_17 we did we cut the V berth out of and installed an oval bulkhead, custom shelves and inline potti area; with 4 bronze ports she is an amazing boat, but custom work takes time. Expect delays if you go radical on the interior. (I think BONES has a photo of that one...) We are really one of the only builders that entertain changes and options to satisfy the customer. This new Passagemaker M_17 were building (and installing a windvane on tomorrow) is going to be amazing. Other actual boat factories that produce boats for DEALERS (that Tod mentioned) like Precision and Compac are built on Factory Production lines for a large Dealership Network. Dealers who have these boats in stock can supply them right away. But ask for major changes on a future production boat and the wait will be many months. International Marine builds boats faster with more employees but those boats are piss poor sailers (upwind) and many arrive with a list of problems that are pathetic. That's not me. So try not to focus on the TIME factor. We can only go so fast. Hiring additional help is not an option because by the time you train someone the season gets slow and you have to lay them off. I can't do that. I have people that have been with me for 20 years; I keep us small and efficient on purpose. So be surprised if we hit the delivery time; which we do quite often. Be a little disappointed when we miss it; but get over it when you see your boat. Dozens of you know me; you've arrived to see me rig your boat, pack you up and shake your hand. (Heck...Gary Hyde even brought me a bottle of wine..!..Thanks Gary.!) One man bought a new M_15 from us and a new M_17 a year later.! The C word...Cushions. I inspect everyboat before it leaves for home. Scott's boat was leaving for the Bay Area early Friday morning; I was at the boatshop at 10:30 PM Thursday night, sleeping at the picnic table just inside the door, waiting for the cushion guy to arrive with the (late) promised cushions. He drove up, woke me up and I watched as he stacked them on the deck. We left. My man arrived at 3AM and hooked up the boat and slid the cushions inside the boat. I should have loaded them myself then I would have noticed they looked good but didn't have the required 'Squeeze' factor. Let's move on, shall we....? Fair winds Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227 Boat Builder

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Re: M_Boats: Hi
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 07 Jul '13

07 Jul '13

Hi Gordon, Louis, In my "day job" we began to export in 1979. We began to import in 1981. With more than 30 years of experience in this area and more than 1,000,000 miles traveling to distant lands, I believe my understanding is somewhat broad with regards to the question. There is truth to what Gordon says, and there is also truth to what Louis says. The question is quite complex, certainly more than can be discussed on this board (although I am willing to share info and experience if anyone is interested). The valuation of currency is critical to understanding. Long term, it is important to balance import and export as it is important to help support US companies. At Sage Marine, we are offering sails from both Harry Pattison and Judy B., whom have demonstrated quality and commitment. (We will also work with any sail-maker of your choice). Please pardon the shameless plug. Hi Bones, Quality is more a demonstration of longevity than performance, and longevity is difficult to determine in the short term. sal In a message dated 8/24/2011 8:54:54 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, gordon(a)financialwriting.net writes: Apology accepted, Louis. You're right in that 2/3rds of the U.S. gross domestic product is driven by the consumer sector -- the goods and services purchased by all of us (excluding businesses and the government). That's important for our nation's well being, and especially for small businesses. All competitors in the global economy -- including many "mom-and-pop outfits" in the United States -- work hard to sell to foreign buyers. At the same time, many savvy consumers seek out the world's best products and services for the lowest price -- which makes sense. In a way, this potentially threatening "global economy" can benefit us all -- as consumers and businesses. I don't think boat sails or any other products are necessarily inferior -- or "low-ball," as you said -- just because they are made abroad. What's more, my recommending a Chinese sailmaker to someone doesn't mean I'm against buying "American." In fact, feel free to call Harry Pattison at Elliott-Pattison Sailmakers, a top-notch sailmaker in the United State of California who knows Montgomery boats well, and ask him how many sails Gordon Gilbert has purchased from him. You might be surprised at what an "equal opportunity" buyer I am. I'm just a hard-working guy who, like anyone else, wants to get the most for his money. Enjoy the rest of your sailing season! Gordon Still a Proud U.S. Air Force Veteran P.S. Frankly, I don't think being disrespectful or discourteous to someone in an e-mail -- especially someone you don't know -- is a good way to GET THEIR ATTENTION. On Aug 24, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Louis Remmers wrote: > Gordon: I do apologize if my e mail seemed disrespectful, but I DID get your attention. Although we all know the current economic situation is global, very few of us have any influence in foreign economics. We do however have a huge impact in the economy of the USA. If we all purchase in country it WILL make a difference. I would like to recommend Douglas Fowler sail maker from New York. Chris Rooke in Memphis is also able to make excellent sails at a very good price. If you look around you will find MANY mom and pop outfits that we need to help us all float our boats so to speak. Once again accept my apologies for rocking your boat. Louis Remmers. > > --- On Tue, 8/23/11, Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> wrote: > > > From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> > Subject: M_Boats: Hi > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2011, 12:34 PM > > > Dear Gordon, > > First, I hope your health is at least as good as it can be under the circumstances. How are you feeling? Have you been able to do some sailing in MN? > > I wanted to ask you a quick question. I remembered that at some point you mentioned an outfit in China which sold you sails for the Monty 17 at a very good price. Were you happy with the quality? What was the name/web address of the place? I am thinking of getting a new mainsail, and perhaps a new sail for a new boat I got (a Windrider 16, single person trimaran). > > Best wishes of health and hope, and I hope to hear from you soon. > > Andrei. > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan 2012 January 13-15 Phoenix ALL invite d !
by bownez＠juno.com 04 Feb '13

04 Feb '13

Hi Connie! Good to hear from you.I'll get to work on the M-boat song.... "Wrinkle Boat, Wrinkle Boat, Wrinkle Boat Rock, keep us safe and avoid the rock ...." Bones ____________________________________________________________ Penny Stock Soaring 3000% Sign up for Free to find out what the next 3000% Stock Winner is! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4ec2793cbc8d77fbddst02vuc

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Folsom Lake
by ndorf＠surfbest.net 18 Oct '12

18 Oct '12

Larry, will I be spotting old 189 out on Folsom Lake this year? Hope so.... Already got Bruce King from Fair Oaks to come out and sail with his M15 last summer... A fleet of three M15s in our backyard reservoir would be very cool. Better still, Karsten, if you're lurking out there...your boat would make four! Goshawk would bring it up to 5... Hmmmm maybe we can have our own "Wrinkle Boat Ran Tan" (sorry GO your gig would always still the "original" :-) OMG now all we need is alot more water in the lake... -Neil

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Rudder Finishes
by Howard Audsley 27 Jun '12

27 Jun '12

I have the original solid mahogany rudder that came with my 1978 M17, but also have a fairly new replacement that I got from Bob E. and it is also of the solid mahogany type. The new one came with a clear finish that has help up for the past few years, but is now fading and needs to be touched up or replaced. The entire rudder was coated with this finish. Almost ALL clear finishes specify they are not for use below the waterline. If the boat is trailer sailed, I presume a short dunking of a few days doesn't hurt and a person could use one of the polyurethane finishes such as Interlux Goldspar.....that is what I use on my tiller. Somewhere around 7 or 8 coats it starts looking like it was dipped in glass. But if the boat is left in the water for weeks or months on end, what then? For the old rudder, I sanded off all the finish and paint, repaired some damage, then glassed it to a few inches above the water line. That got several coats of epoxy over the glass cloth, and was then hit with a hard finish bottom paint. The problem with glassing it and sealing it up, if water ever does get in, it stays in. So what is the recommended coating for these solid mahogany wooden rudders?

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Re: M_Boats: Bumpety-bump
by W David Scobie 06 Jun '12

06 Jun '12

jim: my initial read of your post is you may have the shrouds to tight. jerry's 'specs' for the M17 are for the rigging to be snug, but not tight. my M17's mast has no radius cut at the bottom and shrouds are 'just a bit' looser than some other M17's i've compared rigging. as i raise/lower the mast there is a _slight_ 'tension moment' where the mast needs and extra push/pull to raise/lower at the point the mast is almost upright. my 'slightly loose' shrouds has caused no noticeable performance loss and means that after raising the mast i only have to adjust the backstay. additionally, and most importantly, the rig hasn't gone over the side ;-) some folks loosen the all the standing rigging 'just a bit' to raise/lower the mast. if Gary Hyde sees this post maybe he can post a picture of the 'foot' radius he cut in his M17's mast. i have not cut a radius at the foot of my mast. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com --- On Fri, 5/18/12, James Poulakis <picfo(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > Fellow Jack Tars, > Spirit is a 2007 M17. When I try to raise the mast > with the shrouds set two things happen: 1) The section that > runs crosswise inside the Dwyer mast hangs up on a bolt that > sticks up from the mast step. I have almost eliminated > this by making a semi-circular clearance cutout in this > section but I still get a snag now and then. 2) Even > if the mast clears the bolt I still hit a "bump" right > before the mast goes full upright. One of Jerry's > recent posts says that this is because the base of the mast > isn't properly radiused. Cutting a radius using the > distance from the center of the pivot bolt to the base of > the mast as a guide makes geometric sense, but it cuts away > a LOT of the aft edge of the mast base. I'm wondering > if this is going to compromise the mast in some way. > Has anyone done this? > > Jim > M-17 "Spirit" >

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Re: M_Boats: Mike Mann
by edarts93＠earthlink.net 31 May '12

31 May '12

Jerry, Those are my not so old stomping grounds since I'm still in the area. You'll be pleased to know that there are at least 6 M17s & 15s at Richardson Marina on Fern Ridge Reservoir. I'll be helping a friend put his M17 in the water up there this weekend. I keep my M23 at Winchester Bay on the coast now because I can't resist the call of the sea, but my M15 will still see many days on Fern Ridge. Tell the Manns to get in touch when they're in the area. We'll bring the wine if they'll bring the tales! Mark Dvorscak M23 Faith M15 still in restoration -----Original Message----- >From: jerry montgomery <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> >Sent: May 30, 2012 4:44 PM >To: montgomery forum <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: M_Boats: Mike Mann > >Just got back from lunch with Mike and Laurie Mann- many of you will remember Mike as the guy who sailed a 15 to Hawaii about 20 years ago. We sat around at the Spaghetti Factory and told lies for a couple of hours - good times. He brought a bunch of photos of getting the boat ready, the trip, etc. I was startled to see that I didn't always have a gray beard! > >They're on their way to Eugene, OR for most of the summer, where they're going to stay near Fern Ridge Reservoir, which is my old stomping grounds in better days. When little kids, my brother and I used to go out there with Kenny Richardson, the farmer on the next farm over, and catch a bazillion catfish. A good time was had by all, except maybe for the catfish. I once delivered a 15 to Eugene and sailed it in a race at Fern Ridge with my two 7-year-olds as crew. We duct taped the halyard and topping lift on, and launched the chute out of a paper bag! Seems like we won, but I'm not sure. > >jerry > >-- >I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. >SPAMfighter has removed 6605 of my spam emails to date. >Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > >The Professional version does not have this message

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Re: M_Boats: Two questions
by W David Scobie 31 May '12

31 May '12

MG: as Tod states knowing the model year of the M17 you have will help provide feedback. if you have one of the 'classic' pre-1983 boats with a cutout in the transom it is best to use the cutout and not use a adjustable mount. why: boat sails better! if you have a post '82 boat are you replacing an existing motor mount? for the centerboard the project will depend if you have a cast iron board or the M15 centerboard (the cast iron boards were discontinued in the later boats and jerry used the M15 board in both the M15 and M17). the cast iron boards weight 180#. the M15 boards about 45#. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com --- On Wed, 5/30/12, Michael Garcia <mgarciaatc(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I hope to tap into the sage advice > (no pun intended) and experience of long time M17 owners. I > have been unable to find instruction as to how best to > install a adjustable motor mount on a 17. Also any > recommendations as to how to replace a centerboard pennant? > Thanks in advance. > MG >

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