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Re: M_Boats: New list member - looking for Montgomery encounters
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 23 May '12

23 May '12

Sorry again Sean. Not trying to twist or wordsmith. Perhaps just a poor attempt at an explanation. Never thought you were saying we weren't welcome. Let's try this one; My apologies to the group for excessive marketing of our the Sage on this list. sal In a message dated 5/22/2012 5:27:05 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, Nebwest2(a)aol.com writes: Sorry you fee that way Sal, as that was not the message delivered or intent of the post, OR the message delivered in the emails we have had going back and forth that you initiated. I think you know that. Just to remind you of what was posted ... it reads: "My wish is that you guys would certainly participate in the forums as Montgomery Owners, which you both are...Rather than representatives of Sage Marine trying to slide in a continuous sales pitch." To try to paint that it as though someone that owns/builds/designs a Sage is unwelcome is not a true depiction of what was said. Sage owners/sailors/builders/whatever welcome......Continuous Sage sales pitch not. Again though...that's just my 2 cents worth. I speak for myself only. Please make no mistake though, "I" am the only one that speaks for myself. You do not. Please don't twist it to make me or others the bad guy by "not welcoming the Sage, or those that sail one." I don't appreciate that and I know that you know that is not the case. I'm through with this subject. I felt that something needed to be said....and I said it. I have no regrets. I spoke my piece and I think it is very clear to most where I stand and why I stand there. I am disappointed that this message appears to be lost on you. I will stand on my reputation as someone who has worked to bring this group together. You will stand on yours. I don't appreciate the wordsmithing to change the subject from "Sage marketing" not welcome to "Sage sailors" not welcome. It was subtle and a nice try though....touche'. For the record.....I would say without hesitation that ,and I think everyone on this board would agree, Sage sailors as well as any other kind of sailor or anyone interested in sailing is welcomed to this board. As long as they don't abuse it. I apologize if my comments have made anyone uncomfortable. I do not apologize for my position and I make no change in it. I will end my participation in this thread with this post. Sean

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Spinnaker shout out for Judy B / Hyde Sails
by Bill Wickett 23 May '12

23 May '12

A big thanks to Judy Blumhorst at Hyde Sails USA, Northern California, judyb(a)hydesailsUSA.com, for the asymmetrical spinnaker she sold us back in the winter. Just launched for the first time this past weekend and hoisting, sailing, gybing and dousing the sail all went according to plan. Lots of high pressure weather with light winds over the west end of Lake Ontario. The exact conditions we wanted to use the sail in, when there is just not enough wind to effectively power up the genoa. In <5knots wind we were able to get moving through the short period waves coming from the east (left over from some weather 100 miles away at the other end of the lake). Still went up and down a bit due to the short waterline length, but to be able to get some forward movement was a joy. Normally we would say nuts to this and head back to base. Stayed out for 6 hours on Saturday and the heat helped the winds up to 10-12 (some small whitecaps showing) and we had a lot of fun with the sail. Sailed again on Sunday with similar conditions and got better at setting it all up. Launched from a bag hanging in the companionway Have to mention that Judy B patiently answered my questions about set up and rigging here on the forum, and in the several phone calls she made on her own initiative to talk to me. Real nice to work with her. We went with a 1/4" halyard (polyester double braid) off a swivel block ahead of the forestay at the mast head. Tack line is 5/16" double braid that feeds through a swivel block at the stem fitting then up through a Spinlock stanchion guide on the pulpit. I chose the Spinlock ( https://www.spinlock.co.uk/en/organisers/wl-range/stanchion-furling-line-le… ) as there are not protruding screws or hardware to possibly snag the sail if the drop went wrong. The swivel block on the stem fitting is a double. The other sheave handles the jib down haul. We don't have a furling headsail. Still working out where to permanently lead the tack line. I know some members here run it along the side deck and up the coaming. We led it back across the stbd sided of the coach house to the jib halyard cam cleat which is between the main hatch and the grab rail. Just pulled the jib halyard out and fed in the tack line. I have another cam cleat beside that dedicated to the spin halyard. I guess either position (side deck or coach house top), the line has to cross the deck at some point. Just not sure if I want to run bulls eye guides down the side deck and reduce useful deck width from the already narrow area available. Will work that out. For the spin sheets we used a 1/4" dyneema core/polypropylene cover. Nice and light, does not absorb water. And we did dip them a couple of times. Little bit slippery, but the large clam cleats aft of the winches on the coamings do hold them. Julie can hold the lines okay with gloves, although she did ditch the gloves after a while and was still good in light air. Had one gybe where the sheet we were letting off dropped below the bow, and caught under the deck/hull joint, right at the nose. Had to clear it prior to the next gybe. We used the jib sheet turning blocks moved all the way aft on the genoa track. So had to pull the jib sheets out and run the spin sheets. Might invest in a second set of turning blocks to leave back there. Also looked at just lashing some blocks to the stern cleats, but they would have to come off to rig dock lines. Thanks again Judy, and to the several forum members who sent me pictures of their spinnaker set up. Bill Wickett Makin' Time M17 #622 Cambridge, ON

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Re: M_Boats: Your confirmation is required to leave the montgomery_boats mailing list
by Eric Nielsen 23 May '12

23 May '12

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Re: M_Boats: Teak bedding
by Larry E Yake 23 May '12

23 May '12

Just did the same project with my teak trim. I like Dolfinite bedding compound. It's waterproof and stays soft and flexible. Comes in white to match your deck or tan to match the teak. > > Took all the wood off my boat last year and have been working on > it a lot > > lately. Almost ready to put it back on the boat. Any > recommendations on > > bedding it to the boat? > > > > Thanks! > > Ted

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Re: M_Boats: Fixed mount VHF
by bownez＠juno.com 23 May '12

23 May '12

Hello Jerry, Greetings from Minnesota.I would love to hear about your trip in the Keys, especially because I have plans to trailer my M17 to Big Pine and sail in Hawk's Channel.I have an older M17, circa 1976, and my fixed VHF is mounted above the small galley, port side.The nice thing about newer radios is that they are smaller and have more features. The antenna is at the top of the mast, with the coax running inside the mast.When you run your coax, be aware of the various methods to keep the "cable slap" to a minimum. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Designer Home Decor Sale. Save Up To 70% On Chic Decor! Join Now For Free - New Sales Daily http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fbce0ccb579a16117e3st03vuc

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Re: M_Boats: Fixed mount VHF
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 23 May '12

23 May '12

Jerry, I think the List would love to hear about your trip. Most of the group enjoys a vicarious trip. Some locations for a fixed mount radio- Starboard area above quarterberth at the bottom forward interior edge of the cockpit seat. (glue wood mount board to bottom interior side of seat and screw bracket to wood) Area at opposite side of the boat -Port side above the aft end of galley, bottom of interior side of cockpit seat as far forward as possible - both are relatively close to the companionway so you can hear the unit in many cases - if sound is not great consider an external speaker - need not be 'permanently' mounted in the cockpit - use a good set of connectors and locate the radio head were it is suitable to your needs bearing in mind the accepted location is to be able to stand near companionway/cockpit and operate the radio. Just an opinion - If you are down in FL. and using a deck mount antenna- consider a SS antenna mount instead of the more affordable nylon (disintegrates in UV model)- nothing like waving an 8 foot 'wand' with one hand while trying to transmit in a 'stressful situation'. :>) Have Fun, Go Sailing go M-17 sail # 354 'Hot Tuna' watch here for info on the: '2013 WrinkleBoat Intergalactic Championship Regatta & RanTan*' January 11-13 @ Lake Pleasant Arizona All Lyle Hess and Montgomery Designs welcome and encouraged. * In 2012 the 'trial event' consisted of a bunch of 'geezers' and Dorothy, racing mainly M-17's - we want to expand the lineup to include the other boats some call 'Jerry's Kidz' , WrinkleBoats sm, etc. -including but not limited to: dinghies,M-15's, M-17's, M-23's, Sage's, Panther's, Fatty Knees, and ALL others that fit the Hess/Montgomery criteria !

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Dodger
by Michael Garcia 23 May '12

23 May '12

I seem to remember a reference in Small Craft Advisor regarding a dodger for an M17. Of course that is the issue that I didn't save. Can anyone provide information or experience putting a companionway dodger on their 17? Also, does anyone sleep in the cockpit of a 17? Thanks, Mike Sent from my iPad

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Re: M_Boats: New list member - looking for Montgomery encounters
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 22 May '12

22 May '12

Sorry about that Sean, and also to the rest or the group. We guessed that the Sage would be well received on this board, being Jerry Montgomery's latest design and this is a Montgomery forum. Especially since Jerry worked with this group to develop the model. Looks like we were wrong. Please accept my apology and we'll cool our jets in the future. sal In a message dated 5/20/2012 9:44:42 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, Nebwest2(a)aol.com writes: I'm sorry, but I gotta say, and this is just my opinion....the lack of subtleness of the Sage plug above is a little bothersome. C'mon guys. It's growing tiresome. The gentleman came to a Montgomery forum, looking for information on a Montgomery boat, not a "Jerry design", "wrinkle boat" or whatever other generic term we want to use to try to include the Sages on the Monty forums. Sage has a forum. I go there and enjoy it. You have a great boat in the Sage 17 no doubt. I only speak for myself and I may be totally alone on this one, but Sage being injected in my face nonstop every time a question is asked on a Montgomery forum is wearing thin and to me does not demonstrate the "integrity" that Sage touts as their motto ("Integrity is being good even when no-one is looking). I realize that yes Dave and Sal both have Mboats and the offer was there to show the Mboat as well, but we somehow conveniently switched the term Montgomery for "Jerry Montgomery Design" a marketing tactic of late that allows the injection of Sage into a conversation that is about Montgomerys, and also threw the offer to show the Sage in there for good measure. I'm not taking sides here between Montgomery and Sage, but I suspect if the owner of a competing boat company did that on the Sage forum it would not be looked at favorably. Poor form. My wish is that you guys would certainly participate in the forums as Montgomery Owners, which you both are...Rather than representatives of Sage Marine trying to slide in a continuous sales pitch. I know that this viewpoint won't be viewed favorably by all and that's OK, but I refuse to continue see it to happen and just act like either I don't understand what is taking place, or that I don't care. Neither is the case. I'm sure some will disagree with me. Maybe I am "off" here on this perception and it is just a random occurrence of Sage Marine marketing on Montgomery forums once in a while. If I am I apologize but I don't feel that this is the case and I get less enjoyment out of the forum every time it happens. If It's just me, then OK...maybe I should be moving along. Sorry for the "downer". For what it's worth. Sean

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Re: M_Boats: New list member - looking for Montgomery encounters
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 22 May '12

22 May '12

Sorry you fee that way Sal, as that was not the message delivered or intent of the post, OR the message delivered in the emails we have had going back and forth that you initiated. I think you know that. Just to remind you of what was posted ... it reads: "My wish is that you guys would certainly participate in the forums as Montgomery Owners, which you both are...Rather than representatives of Sage Marine trying to slide in a continuous sales pitch." To try to paint that it as though someone that owns/builds/designs a Sage is unwelcome is not a true depiction of what was said. Sage owners/sailors/builders/whatever welcome......Continuous Sage sales pitch not. Again though...that's just my 2 cents worth. I speak for myself only. Please make no mistake though, "I" am the only one that speaks for myself. You do not. Please don't twist it to make me or others the bad guy by "not welcoming the Sage, or those that sail one." I don't appreciate that and I know that you know that is not the case. I'm through with this subject. I felt that something needed to be said....and I said it. I have no regrets. I spoke my piece and I think it is very clear to most where I stand and why I stand there. I am disappointed that this message appears to be lost on you. I will stand on my reputation as someone who has worked to bring this group together. You will stand on yours. I don't appreciate the wordsmithing to change the subject from "Sage marketing" not welcome to "Sage sailors" not welcome. It was subtle and a nice try though....touche'. For the record.....I would say without hesitation that ,and I think everyone on this board would agree, Sage sailors as well as any other kind of sailor or anyone interested in sailing is welcomed to this board. As long as they don't abuse it. I apologize if my comments have made anyone uncomfortable. I do not apologize for my position and I make no change in it. I will end my participation in this thread with this post. Sean

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New M-15 owner...
by Jack Zukowski 22 May '12

22 May '12

I just purchased a 2010 Montgomery M15. I've been sailing a West Wight Potter P-14 for the last five years. The Potter is Lateen rigged and takes very little effort to get her on the water.I have only sailed the Montgomery once so far and have a lot to learn let. My first day was last week here in Connecticut at West Hill Lake. The winds were blowing at 18 to 25 mph, if I had the Potter I would have probably gone home. Seeing it was my first time and and my wife was with me I had to give it a shot. The lake was totally white capped and I had plenty of fear going on inside me as we shoved off. I was afraid to hoist the jib! After sailing for a half an hour, and my confidence restored, I hoisted the jib. To my surprise, there was no panic, and the M-15 handled and rode like a dream. I sailed for 6 hours under those conditions and at the end, I had a lot of respect for the M-15. I am 68 years old and I've wanted one for years. You just don't find them here in Connecticut. I drove to Alabama to get this boat and luckily I met a wonderful couple of people whom made buying it a real pleasure. The setup is a little time consuming compared to the Potter, but I feel I'll get much better at it the more I do it. I loved sailing this rig, it was pure joy, it out did my P-14 in every respect except launching and retrieving, which took more effort and time but went smoothly. My name is Jack Zukowski and my wife is Beth. I sail quite often here in Ct. I sail most of the lakes in Northwestern Connecticut and we usually go on a couple of trips a year and sail. Hope to hear from some M-15 owners, I am always listening for something that can help me out and make my day more enjoyable. Thanks, Jack and Beth!

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