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Re: M_Boats: Towing a monty 17
by W David Scobie 10 Apr '09

10 Apr '09

for towing remember you need to include the weights of the people in the vehicle. this will make the boat weight, stuff, and trailer up to 3000# (or more). dave scobie M15 #288 - SCRED visit Scred's www-site: http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred --- On Fri, 4/10/09, Andrei Caldararu <andreic(a)math.wisc.edu> wrote: I have a question about the towing weight: I thought an M-17 is around 1600 lbs; add about 3-400lbs for the trailer, some more for the gear and motor that brings it to 2000-2400 lbs. But you're saying your rig is closer to 3000-3200 lbs; have I got my numbers wrong? I am towing (on flat land) my M-17 with a 4cyl Subaru Outback, 4x4, manual transmission. Works, but I feel I am close to the limit really. Andrei.

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Re: M_Boats: M15 V cleat change ideas
by W David Scobie 10 Apr '09

10 Apr '09

SCRED has harken cam cleats (for halyards and jib sheets) with bullseye fairleads mounted on cars and tracks allowing the sheeting angle to be adjusted. i've never had an issue with the sheets getting hung up in/on the fairleads. here is a picture - http://s57.photobucket.com/albums/g203/spankmeairlines/?action=view&current… (not the best of angle to show the setup. you can see the fairlead/cart has been moved into a far forward position for the downwind set of the jib.) better pictures can be obtained if anyone wishes to see the details. dave scobie M15 #288 - SCRED visit Scred's www-site: http://www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Jared Prindle <jared(a)tonyhawk.com> wrote: After the first sail, I found that I really need to change the jib sheet V-cleats as they are really worn down and hardly hold the line at all. I'm looking for advice to what would be best and and using the original holes in the cabin. Option 1. Just replace the V cleats with new ones of the same size. The only reason I don't go right out and do this is that the existing ones seem to be made for a min of 5/16 line. Wouldn't it be better to have a Med size one that could accept 1/4" and 5/16" line? I also couldn't find any V cleat at this size with a fairlead built in which seems better to have one then not. Option 2. Get the Medium size V cleat with the fairlead built in. Use some Starboard or hardwood to build a base (maybe even wedge to give a better yank angle). Mount the V-cleat into the wood and the wood into the original holes in the cabin. Option 3. Make a wood base as above but add moving cam cleats like what's used on the mainsheet. Thanks for your advice. Jared "Lil p"

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Re: M_Boats: Sinking feeling
by bownez＠juno.com 10 Apr '09

10 Apr '09

Hi Robbin, I have the same scupper arrangement in my 1976 M17. Do you have an access port installed to view and grab the hose and fitting? I check mine my giving it a tug and checking the integrity of the hose and fitting. It is still quite solid. The scupper works, but not overly well. If you have 4 adults in the cockpit water will actually come IN the drain. In those cases, I put a rubber plug in it. During non use with the boat slipped, it is important that the drain be free and clear. It will exit water from the cockpit. I have seen a friend's M17 fill with rainwater because the scupper was blocked with leaves. The newer style wet locker with twin scuppers was a great improvement. Later, Bones ____________________________________________________________ Click for discounted saunas. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTLCgd1VyQCC3BfeeKMPt8q3nB…

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Galley Talk...
by Michael Ray Wisely 10 Apr '09

10 Apr '09

Hi Arnold, I saw your post and ran across this thread from a Monty discussion group...thought it might be insightful. http://www.mail-archive.com/montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com/msg04171.h tml I think if you were always going to sail alone a permenant galley would be nice, but if you have a companion along, you can sit across from each other and have a conversation with your set up. I love the 2 berth for that reason. Feel lots roomier than galley models I've sat in. It might be cool to make a galley box that slide into one of the berths, out of the way and then you could have the best of both worlds. Hmmmm. That gives me an idea. Michael Ray Molly M M 17 #383 SF Bay

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Re: M_Boats: V cleat change ideas
by Michael Ray Wisely 10 Apr '09

10 Apr '09

Hey Doug Kelch, I'm glad Jared brought this up as I am learning some things. Doug, if you can sometime, please post some pics of your cam cleat mod. It would be great if sometime we could get all of the great modifications people have done to their M boats and put the pics on one of the web sites. You see pics of boats and some things like dodgers and the "kitchen in a box"...all great, but I think everyone would really benefit from how people have improved their M boats rigging...how they ran their lines aft...pictures of jib reefing modifications, etc. I am surprised about your trouble with the aluminum V cleats Doug...maybe the ones I put on were an alloy composite...they have really worked out well, but they are a little much for my 6yr old to manage, so maybe a cam cleat would be easier for everyone. If people have rigging pics and other modifications...let's see them. Thanks to all, Michael Ray Molly M M 17 # 383 SF Bay

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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 74, Issue 10
by michaelraywisely＠earthlink.net 10 Apr '09

10 Apr '09

U Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with SprintSpeed -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:43:58 To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 74, Issue 10 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. M17 wing keel (lon zimmerman) 2. Re: DODGERS (htmills(a)zoominternet.net) 3. Re: DODGERS (larrypegg(a)aol.com) 4. Re: DODGERS (htmills(a)zoominternet.net) 5. Re: WAHOOO!! HOT DA@# and more (htmills(a)zoominternet.net) 6. Re: DODGERS (bownez(a)juno.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 11:32:54 -0700 From: lon zimmerman <zimco(a)gci.net> To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M17 wing keel Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJFD6DVIKU1Cqmo4oeTcRC/CgAAAEAAAADQlT9TxRtJGsvc9ATzc/tsBAAAAAA==(a)gci.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii AN EARLIER THREAD FOR CENTERBOARD PROBLEMS WITH THE M17, TALKED ABOUT REMOVING THE CENTERBOARD AND ADDING A WINGED KEEL. HAS ANYONE TRIED THIS IDEA? ALSO - ANYONE MAKE A DODGER FOR THE M17? THANKS Lon SELKIE ============ ============ ========== [Dick Straubel Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:06:11 -0700] Would increase the draft by the thickness of the metal plate. When heeled, the wing might go down deeper as it tilts, but not significant and would not increase draft more than the thickness of the plate when not heeled. The plate could actually be quite thin, and weight or original board could be replaced by pouring a lead/resin gruel down into the trunk from above. The trick would be to design the rake of the wing blades and determine the position of the wing plate fore and aft on the keel to achieve the best helm balance. I believe the point of raking/sweeping the wings is to adjust the center of lateral resistance aft as the boat heels so the helms stays close to balanced ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 16:33:50 -0400 From: <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: DODGERS Message-ID: <000c01c9b952$7db96a50$792c3ef0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Lon, I have one: http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-BellCove.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-WilfredLaurierAnchored.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger1.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger2.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger3.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger4.jpg Came with the boat. Screws to the companionway trim. Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of lon > zimmerman > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:44 PM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: M_Boats: DODGERS > > > Anyone have a dodger on your M17? > > Thanks > > Lon > Selkie - hull # 279 > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.32/2030 - Release Date: > 04/03/09 06:19:00 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:01:17 -0400 From: larrypegg(a)aol.com To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: DODGERS Message-ID: <8CB876D75DDF48F-C3C-B1A(a)WEBMAIL-DZ11.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Very cool? Did you put it on your self or have it done? At your service Larry Pegg Pilgrim M-17 #55 -----Original Message----- From: htmills(a)zoominternet.net To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 2:33 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: DODGERS Lon, I have one: http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-BellCove.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-WilfredLaurierAnchored.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger1.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger2.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger3.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger4.jpg Came with the boat. Screws to the companionway trim. Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of lon > zimmerman > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:44 PM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: M_Boats: DODGERS > > > Anyone have a dodger on your M17? > > Thanks > > Lon > Selkie - hull # 279 > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.32/2030 - Release Date: > 04/03/09 06:19:00 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:05:57 -0400 From: <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: DODGERS Message-ID: <000d01c9b956$fa3b3500$eeb19f00$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Larry, I believe a previous owner made it. To install it on the boat, it screws to the companionway trim and the side pieces snap on. Tod > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > larrypegg(a)aol.com > Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 5:01 PM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: DODGERS > > > Very cool? Did you put it on your self or have it done? > > > > > > At your service > > Larry Pegg > Pilgrim M-17 #55 > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: htmills(a)zoominternet.net > To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 2:33 pm > Subject: Re: M_Boats: DODGERS > > > > > > > > > > > Lon, > > I have one: > > http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger.jpg > http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-BellCove.jpg > http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-WilfredLaurierAnchored.jpg > http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger1.jpg > http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger2.jpg > http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger3.jpg > http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-dodger4.jpg > > Came with the boat. Screws to the companionway trim. > > > Tod Mills > M17 #408, 1987 galley model > BuscaBrisas > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: montgomery_boats-bounces(a)mailman.xmission.com > > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > lon > > zimmerman > > Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:44 PM > > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > Subject: M_Boats: DODGERS > > > > > > Anyone have a dodger on your M17? > > > > Thanks > > > > Lon > > Selkie - hull # 279 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.32/2030 - Release Date: > > 04/03/09 06:19:00 > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.49/2050 - Release Date: > 04/09/09 10:27:00 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 17:07:29 -0400 From: <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> To: <doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com>, "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: WAHOOO!! HOT DA@# and more Message-ID: <001101c9b957$312b89c0$93829d40$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Glad it worked out well for you Doug! PIC-TURES! PIC-TURES! PIC-TURES! *grin* Tod > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats- > bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats- > bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net(a)mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > Doug Kelch > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:16 AM > To: Montgomery > Subject: M_Boats: WAHOOO!! HOT DA@# and more > > First sea trials on the Gaff Cutter M15 were held Saturday in light and > variable winds 0 - 8 kts. > > SHE IS A KEEPER!!!!! > > She is light on the helm and fast.? I was humming along at up to 4.5 > kts in the 8 kt periods with little heel and a light weather helm while > pointing. > > Much to my surprise she points extremely well and may even be able to > point higher and go faster than she did as a sloop. > > As expected the weather helm is a bit strong going downwind with that > long boom/mainsail off to the side.? I guess I will have to get a large > sail to pole out on the windward side if it proves to be excessive. > > She does have a slight lee helm in the very light air even with the > mast raked aft, but I can live with that. > > What a hoot having it all come together. > > No pictures as the trials were kept private due to the potential > embarrassment but I hope to get some on the next outing. > > There were a few things that need tweaking.? I had the forestay too > close to the staysail and the roller furling rolled around the > forestay.? I removed the forestay and I do not think I will put it back > as the two jibs both have wire luffs.? A malicious attack by jealous > boaters could dismast me with a knife attach on the halyards but I will > take this risk. > > YAHOOOOOOOOOOO. > > Thanks > > Doug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.41/2041 - Release Date: > 04/05/09 10:54:00 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 21:41:59 GMT From: "bownez(a)juno.com" <bownez(a)juno.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: DODGERS Message-ID: <20090409.164159.19760.0(a)webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Tod, That is very sweet. I'm looking at building a dodger for my M23, I'm shopping for a frame, I have a canvas maker lined up. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Start providing for your family by becoming a paralegal. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTLiTkUXIiGV4gWP8Vijc36Ey5… ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 74, Issue 10 ************************************************

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DODGERS
by lon zimmerman 09 Apr '09

09 Apr '09

Anyone have a dodger on your M17? Thanks Lon Selkie - hull # 279

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Re: M_Boats: V cleat change Ideas
by Michael Ray Wisely 09 Apr '09

09 Apr '09

Hi Jared... Ohhh Boy, you asked for advice...watch out. My 2 cents. I would just replace the V cleats you have with the same size. I imagine that Jerry put that size and that placement after trying several different ideas. A smaller line size may not be prudent for every situation. Most of the time I know that working the jib rarely needs winching and the original line seems large, however, on the Molly M, when the SF bay starts blowing, I'm very happy that I have a nice size sheet to work rather than something smaller that might dig into my hands. You should be able to find the same size in Aluminum. That would be an upgrade and the teeth really dig in. I changed the v cleats on both sides of the mainsail track to the aluminum and have been very happy with them. In addition, I would want to test the fairlead idea before I commited to it. In lighter winds or even med. winds it seems that any restriction of the sheet will keep an otherwise easy tack or jibe from happening in a timely fashion. That makes me think the fairlead would hold up the jib sheet with even the slightest kink in the line. Would love to hear if that's not the case, but I suspect that it is . I usually just put a figure 8 in the sheet and that keeps it from going through the block. Again..just my 2 cents with a slight green patina. Best, Michael Ray Molly M M 17 #383

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Re: M_Boats: DODGERS
by bownez＠juno.com 09 Apr '09

09 Apr '09

Tod, That is very sweet. I'm looking at building a dodger for my M23, I'm shopping for a frame, I have a canvas maker lined up. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Start providing for your family by becoming a paralegal. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTLiTkUXIiGV4gWP8Vijc36Ey5…

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Re: M_Boats: M23
by JDavies104＠aol.com 08 Apr '09

08 Apr '09

I have an Idasailor 2005 model which was purchased by the original owner. I've never had a problem getting it either up or down, though sailing in the Potomac River near DC does present a problem of keeping it down, particularly at low tide! Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L ************** New Deals on Dell Netbooks – Now starting at $299 (A HREF=http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219939010x1201342897/aol?redi…)

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