June 2008 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

OUTBOARD POWER
by Arnold Sharpe 13 Jun '08

13 Jun '08

I need some opinions and experience from all you M-17 folks! Presently I have a Yamaha 4 cycle, 4hp OB on my M-17. While it has plenty of power, it is heavier than hell for this old fart to lug around, interferes with the rudder when I put it hard over and is noisy and its vibration shakes the whole yacht. I am considering re-powering with a 2hp Honda or an electric motor. My wife would prefer an electric motor for the quiet but I am concerned that it won't have sufficient power to push Her (the boat) against a current or any kind of head sea. We mainly use the motor to get in and out of the berth but also want the security of a motor when the wind quits or becomes more than we can handle. What say you all. Regards...Arnold Sharpe, M-17, hull #265, "LITTLE BREEZE"

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Re: M_Boats: OUTBOARD POWER
by JDavies104＠aol.com 13 Jun '08

13 Jun '08

I bought the 2 hp Honda long-shaft for my M-17, and have been very happy with it with almost a year's experience. It weighs only 27 lb, is super-reliable, always starts, and for getting in and out of dock can't be beat. That said, I sail in protected water (Potomac River near DC), and have no experience with it in a heavy sea, but the previous owner kept the boat on Chesapeake Bay for a couple of seasons with an identical engine and recommended it highly. Rick Davies M-17 Lynne L ************** Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)

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Re: M_Boats: This is a travesty -
by Paint4Real＠aol.com 13 Jun '08

13 Jun '08

You're presuming, first, that the nav lights were on. Witnesses say so, and perhaps other witnesses would say no. Witnesses are funny lots -- I was sitting as the second, non-involved witness at an intersection collision a few years ago, and even though I was then a practicing personal injury attorney, I wasn't positive of the facts as I had seen them. Running lights. Come on. The news report said a "quarter" hit. On my M15 that means a small white light smaller than a standard LED flashlight on a trail hike. I would NEVER cross a dark, trafficked waterway without a strong light on at least one of my sails. That's Boy Scout stuff. We shouldn't be hassling it here, amongst seasoned sailors. ************** Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)

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Mainsheet Travesty?????
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 13 Jun '08

13 Jun '08

"In just the next chapter in the book on complete crap justice in California, on Wednesday Judge Richard Martin ruled there was enough evidence for 39-year-old Bismarck Dinius of Sacramento to stand trial on charges of vehicular manslaughter in the April 29, 2006, boating accident on Clear Lake that resulted in the death of Lynn Thornton." >From Latitude 38 - The NEW news is that the judge ruled to have Dinius stand trial - This guys life has been 'upset' since the day they charged him. My last comment - Write the Governor, or the CA Attorney General, and make your feelings known. There but for the grace of God go I. - I have, in the past, operated a boat while under the influence. I do not need to do that to have fun. Enuf stone throwing - lets get back to those cute little hammock thingies and glued-on wood blocks - hey one guy even drilled a hole right thru his boat mounting one of em!! LOL Lets Lighten UP! GO. LB/GF! M-17 # 316a 'that ain't bad gelcoat -it's "patina"! Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way Arizona Sailing Squadron **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)

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Re: M_Boats: M-17 rudder depth
by JDavies104＠aol.com 13 Jun '08

13 Jun '08

Andrei, Although the board-up draft is shallow, the fixed rudder, according to the line drawing I have of the 17, draws only a couple of inches less than the centerboard in the down position, which is about three feet. To make use of the 1' 9" draft, you need a kickup rudder such as that available from Idasailor. That said, steering with the rudder in any position except straight down is not easy, so making use of the kickup feature is strictly an emergency operation. Rick M-17 Lynne L ************** Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

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This is a travesty -
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 13 Jun '08

13 Jun '08

All boaters and especially California residents need to be heard here, Cronyism at its worst! _Click here: Latitude 38 - The West's Premier Sailing & Marine Magazine_ (http://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/lectronicday.lasso?date=2008-06-12&dayi…) GO. LB/GF! M-17 # 316a 'that ain't bad gelcoat -it's "patina"! Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way Arizona Sailing Squadron **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)

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Re: M_Boats: This is a travesty -
by Paint4Real＠aol.com 13 Jun '08

13 Jun '08

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Re: M_Boats: This is a travesty -
by Paint4Real＠aol.com 13 Jun '08

13 Jun '08

.12 is drunk. You can still walk and talk, but your judgment is lost. If the helmsman were a dad, with his two kids on board, and he was .12, would that have been okay, since the other guy was operating negligently? The more that boaters defend or try to protect intoxicated helmsmen here, the more I'm leaning toward the result in this case. You guys can't be serious. God, no. ************** Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)

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Re: M_Boats: This is a travesty -
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 13 Jun '08

13 Jun '08

Please read the reports posted earlier at Lattitude 38 - additional details/facts are in the previous stories. I believe the sailboat was all but still in the water. Lights on and the Powerboat (Deputy Sherrif of local gov.) hit the sailboat at approx 45 to 60 MPH. I am unsure if the man charged was actually sailing or was the person nearest the helm as the owner had gone below. Charge em both at the same time why should the PBoat operator get the 'break'? This 'appears' WRONG. Justice under the Governator. GO. LB/GF! M-17 # 316a 'that ain't bad gelcoat -it's "patina"! Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way Arizona Sailing Squadron **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)

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Re: M_Boats: This is a travesty -
by Paint4Real＠aol.com 13 Jun '08

13 Jun '08

In a message dated 6/12/08 9:58:05 PM, bobo4u(a)qwest.net writes: > If the guy at the helm of the sailboat is ultimately charged, I'd say > it's time to quit sailing > Even if he's drunk? ************** Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)

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