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where to put outboard while towing?
by Richard Everett 26 Aug '07

26 Aug '07

So how many of you leave the outboard on your transom while towing and how many of you put it somewhere else? On my long trip (1300 miles) from CA to WA I took the 2.5 hp 4 stroke yamaha (about 38 lbs) off the boat and kept it in the Uhaul, but partly because I didn't want it to get stolen. I am wondering if it would be ok to leave it attached to the transom on shorter day trips around the Puget Sound. The mount is a pretty beefy metal mount (standard now on M17s?) but I don't know how strong or resistant to cracking the fiberglass transom is. Here is a pic of the motor/mount: http://www.skyko.com/Montgomery/08-21-07_1222.jpg Obviously I can toss it in the back of the pickup, but this just adds more time to the setup and risks leaking oil from the 4 stroke. Thanks, Rick

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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 54, Issue 13
by Bonnie Kostka 26 Aug '07

26 Aug '07

I also brought a M15 (1987) and have notice the luff in my main sail. Please forgive me if my language is incorrect. I am a beginner with very limited knowledge. If you get a picture of how the sail should look please contact me and let me know. Also, I have enjoyed the tales of "first trial runs". My first experience was pretty much like the other nightmare stories. My biggest problem is getting off the dock with my little 2 hp Honda engine. I have trouble getting her started, meantime the current takes over and I begin bouncing off things. At least I keep the dock hands laughing, I would not trailer her because I'm even worst at that. Bonnie _boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: New M17 owner, hi! (Joe Moore) 2. Seafoaming at the mouth! (Jeff Royce) 3. Re: Seafoaming at the mouth! (Sandyal55(a)aol.com) 4. RE: Seafoaming at the mouth! (Fran Lebowitz) 5. Re: Seafoaming at the mouth! (William Larson) 6. RE: Seafoaming at the mouth! (htmills(a)zoominternet.net) 7. Re: My "new" used M 15 (Grace Coville) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:26:21 -0400 From: Joe Moore Subject: Re: M_Boats: New M17 owner, hi! To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats " Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Rick, Welcome aboard! Joe Moore "Midnight Passage" M15 #641 On 8/24/07 10:52 AM, "Richard Everett" wrote: > Hello everyone! > > My wife, Debora, and I (Rick) have just purchased a 2005 M17 from a very nice > fellow down in southern CA. I just arrived back in Seattle with the M17 > yesterday. Dan, the former owner, has owned Montgomery sailboats for over 30 > years and only sold this barely used one because he messed up his back and > can't single hand anymore (poor fellow). He installed numerous extra blocks > and cleats...it is going to take some time to figure out his rigging plan > since the 95 degree heat during the loading of the boat for trailering melted > my brain while he was explaining things. I was also a little dizzy from > having seen the boat ad on Monday night, buying a plane ticket that same > night, and handing him a cashier's check Tuesday at noon! I have never been > *quite* that spontanious before, but when you see a dream boat barely used for > half price of new, you gotta act fast. Dan was also one of the nicest guys I > have met, and kept tossing additional items I might need into my Uhaul making > me feel even more guilty for taking his boat. When he handed me a set of > padlocks that he had wrapped in protective foam so they would not scratch the > gelcoat when installed on the lockers, I knew I had made a good purchase. > > We plan on doing a dry run of completely setting her up for sail this weekend > in the driveway, then packing up and taking a test sail on Lake Washington. > After we get a bit used to her and think we will not look completely clueless, > it would be great to meet up with anyone for a day sail around the Sound or > something. Our previous sailing experience consists of taking the first > serious of sailing courses from Windworks at Shilshole marina and then taking > out their Catalina 25 boats a few times for daysails. Hopefully what we > learned on the Cat 25 boats will transfer to sailing the M17. > > Anyway, just wanted to drop a line and introduce ourselves. I look foward to > sailing in the Puget Sound area with some of you soon! > > Rick > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:18:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Royce Subject: M_Boats: Seafoaming at the mouth! To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Message-ID: <74085.78568.qm(a)web82110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Well, i put some Seafoam in the gas tank and couldn't get the engine to turn over. I inspected the plug and (mind you i am no mechanic) it looked a bit oily for such a new engine... i have probably less than 10 hours on it in a years time... the plug was not crusty or anything, just dark... i emory clothed it clean at the tip and reinstalled it. It seems to me that if i could get it to turn over just a bit it would limp along until the Seafoam started working. What would happen if i put some gas in the spark plug "hole" (told ya i was no mechanic)? Any suggestions? ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:34:11 EDT From: Sandyal55(a)aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Seafoaming at the mouth! To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 8/24/2007 5:19:23 PM Mountain Standard Time, jeffroyce(a)sbcglobal.net writes: Well, i put some Seafoam in the gas tank and couldn't get the engine to turn over. I inspected the plug and (mind you i am no mechanic) it looked a bit oily for such a new engine... i have probably less than 10 hours on it in a years time... the plug was not crusty or anything, just dark... i emory clothed it clean at the tip and reinstalled it. It seems to me that if i could get it to turn over just a bit it would limp along until the Seafoam started working. What would happen if i put some gas in the spark plug "hole" (told ya i was no mechanic)? Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Rather than gas in the plug hole, spray WD40 in the carb intake. Then crank it over. Lots of times, spark plugs will look good on a 2 stroke, but they need changing. They tend to run hot. What engine do you have and how long has it sat? Sandy ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 13:25:47 -0700 From: "Fran Lebowitz" Subject: RE: M_Boats: Seafoaming at the mouth! To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed You could try spraying Carburetor Starter ( available almost anywhere ) into the spark plug hole, after cleaning off spark plug and setting correct gap. Make sure your line from gas tank to carb is clear. Good luck; I've had success w/the spray. Fran former M15 #236 >From: Jeff Royce >Reply-To: For and about Montgomery >Sailboats >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > >Subject: M_Boats: Seafoaming at the mouth! >Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:18:37 -0700 (PDT) > > > >Well, i put some Seafoam in the gas tank and couldn't get the engine to >turn over. I inspected the plug and (mind you i am no mechanic) it looked a >bit oily for such a new engine... i have probably less than 10 hours on it >in a years time... the plug was not crusty or anything, just dark... i >emory clothed it clean at the tip and reinstalled it. It seems to me that >if i could get it to turn over just a bit it would limp along until the >Seafoam started working. What would happen if i put some gas in the spark >plug "hole" (told ya i was no mechanic)? > > Any suggestions? >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _________________________________________________________________ Booking a flight? Know when to buy with airfare predictions on MSN Travel. http://travel.msn.com/Articles/aboutfarecast.aspx&ocid=T001MSN25A07001 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:10:22 -0700 (PDT) From: William Larson Subject: Re: M_Boats: Seafoaming at the mouth! To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Message-ID: <437015.31887.qm(a)web82914.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello Jeff: There is just no way Seafoam or any other magical band aid will allow your near new motor to run. Seafoam and Sta-bil are great to use in an engine that's in running condition for maintenance purposes. I'm assuming all the "basics" have been addressed. On a recent trip to the Eastern Sierras, I stumbled across a family attempting an after noon outing in a small skiff with a near new Tohatsu 4hp outboard motor. They had been attempting to start it for a half hour. After watching their technique for a few minutes, it was apparent it wasn't going to start at all. Maybe they would have been willing to try Seafoam at that point, but long story short, I gave it a try and four pulls later, they were off and running. Perhaps a trip to the dealer would save you a lot of frustration. Oh, the gas in the cylinder...that would probably darken the plug a little more. Good Luck, Bill Larson, M17 #632 "JoEllen" Jeff Royce wrote: Well, i put some Seafoam in the gas tank and couldn't get the engine to turn over. I inspected the plug and (mind you i am no mechanic) it looked a bit oily for such a new engine... i have probably less than 10 hours on it in a years time... the plug was not crusty or anything, just dark... i emory clothed it clean at the tip and reinstalled it. It seems to me that if i could get it to turn over just a bit it would limp along until the Seafoam started working. What would happen if i put some gas in the spark plug "hole" (told ya i was no mechanic)? Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 19:03:32 -0400 From: Subject: RE: M_Boats: Seafoaming at the mouth! To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" Message-ID: <000001c7e76c$28b938a0$7a2ba9e0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" When you had the plug out, did you check to see if you had a good spark? With the plug out, put the wire on it, touch the threaded part of the plug to a metal part of the outboard, and pull. (you might need a helper). Just keep your fingers back on the rubber wire cover so as not to get bitten. If it has a good spark, you could put a half-teaspoon of gas or a quick shot of carb cleaner in before replacing the plug. Then see if it will fire. If it does, then you know it's probably a plugged jet or miss-adjustment.... Tod M17 #408 BuscaBrisas -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.c om] On Behalf Of Jeff Royce Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:19 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Seafoaming at the mouth! Well, i put some Seafoam in the gas tank and couldn't get the engine to turn over. I inspected the plug and (mind you i am no mechanic) it looked a bit oily for such a new engine... i have probably less than 10 hours on it in a years time... the plug was not crusty or anything, just dark... i emory clothed it clean at the tip and reinstalled it. It seems to me that if i could get it to turn over just a bit it would limp along until the Seafoam started working. What would happen if i put some gas in the spark plug "hole" (told ya i was no mechanic)? Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.6/971 - Release Date: 8/24/2007 2:59 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.6/971 - Release Date: 8/24/2007 2:59 PM ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:10:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Grace Coville Subject: Re: M_Boats: My "new" used M 15 To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Message-ID: <189562.12679.qm(a)web32408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Blake, I bought a 1991 M15 in June. I have been trailering it to area lakes this summer in the hopes of recapturing and improving upon my childhood sailing skills, so that I can progress to Monterey Bay sailing. So far, I've made at least one outrageously stupid mistake on each trip that would probably have killed me if I was on the Bay. I've been to Pinto Lake, Anderson Lake, Del Valle (where I couldn't sail because I'd forgotten the rudder!), and just yesterday Lake Cunningham in San Jose, where I adroitly avoided hitting any of the sailing school sunfishes (though I did crash into the dock). I mostly tacked endlessly near the top of the lake, to be within shouting distance of my kids who were playing at Raging Waters. It was kooky, but fun. This Tuesday, I plan to take my kids (and rudder) back to Del Valle, to celebrate the very last day of freedom before the Scotts Valley school year begins. As far as I can tell, for the kids, the point of sailing on the boat is to be OFF the boat as much as possible--jumping into the water, swimming with float toys attached to the boat, exploring the shore, etc. I might have three teenagers with me, so it'll be a bit crowded until I can get them off the boat, but then I'm hoping to investigate reefing the sail. If I get ambitious, I'll bring an outboard along, and see if I can figure it out. I'm not very ambitious, though--I find just trailering the boat with our funky, old, poorly-maintained Ford Econoline van, and backing the trailer into the water to be about all the challenge I can handle. Sorry can't offer anything in the way of salty experience, but if you'd like to join us at Del Valle while we treat our precision sailing machine like a largish pool float toy, you're more than welcome to come. Also, I've seen a Monty 15 or maybe 17 sitting in a driveway in Capitola. Talked to the guy's neighbor, but haven't been able to catch up with the owner. To drive by, take the New Brighton beach exit, turn up...mmm... Kennedy, I think it is... the fourway stop sign that is on Park Avenue opposite the frontage road that has the entrance to New Brighton. The boat is in the driveway of the house that is on the corner of the first road off of Kennedy to the left. Perhaps, of course, this boat is yours? Happy sailing, grace Blake Reimer wrote: Just a few weeks ago I purchased a 1985 M 15 out of Washington and had it delivered sight unseen to Santa Cruz. It has spent a lot of time in Alaska just prior to my purchase. So far, I am delighted! It looks like I will be naming her IOTA, provided it is not taken by another Monty. I just sanded and oiled the teak yesterday and she smiled. I am working on getting her outfitted for the Monterey Bay waters: getting the jiffy reefing all in order, installing a Harken 205 cam and pedestal for the mainsheet and, of course, a long list of other items. On two of those items, I could use some salty M-15 experience. - I know it is a GPS world now (yeah, I've got one too) but I really want a compass installed on board and notice most of the pictures I see don't have one installed. Does any one have a compass and installation that they are really happy with? I don't need anything fancy but would like something I can see in the cockpit without it getting in the way... - Oddly, my mainsail doesn't seem to have a cunningham eye on it. There is plenty of belly cut into the sail, so I know it can use one. Question: Is this normal on M -15's? If so, do you flatten the sail by using the boom to tighten the luff? If anyone could send me a picture of how they have the whole mast/boom/cunningham/vang area successfully set up, it would be a great help. In the meantime I think I will have a cunningham eyelet put in the main. I am interested in possibly getting together on any outings here in N. Cal. area. Anybody else? Blake _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ montgomery_boats mailing list montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 54, Issue 13 ************************************************

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Re: M_Boats: Seafoaming at the mouth!
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 26 Aug '07

26 Aug '07

Todd, Having been a shade tree mechanic all my life and having been somewhat where you appear to be in regard to a 'small motor not running'. I think you would be best served by seeking professional help at this stage. If the professional OB motor dude is fair, this should not be an expensive repair-probably a carb clean- clear jets kinda thing. If you are not familiar with the process of rebuilding a small carburetor (minuscule thingies fly out when disassembled!), my $.02 of advice would be to avoid the trauma of lost parts and springs installed upside down. It would be safer, easier, and probably cheaper to let the Brain Surgeon fix it. Early and mid 80's OMC products have a 'siphon tube' plastic part that deteriorates when exposed to modern blended fuel chemical compounds - who da thunk to look there??? If the Manufacturers technician knows their stuff, they may save you much grief. Everybody has to be an expert in sumthin' They know OB engines. Just ANOTHER unsolicited load of free advice- and worth every penny paid and charged. Good Luck Gary O. M-17 #316a Team Geezer Racing ....Old and in the Way ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

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Cleaning a Honda 2hp Carb and Seafoaming at the mouth!
by Steve R. 26 Aug '07

26 Aug '07

Jeff, > So, here's the next question... carbeurator cleaner... > do i have to take anything part in the carbeurator to do that ... In a word, yes. One thing to be concerned about with recent engines and carb cleaner is that many carbs are made of plastic now. If you use the old reliable carb cleaner your uncle has always used you may melt your new plastic carb. It is not too difficult to take a carb apart, clen it and put it back together. It does require patience, and an understanding spouse. I have a carb on the kitchen table as we speak (in a plastic bag). A manual for the OB is a big help, which may be available on-line. If it is a new carb the gaskets and seals may go back together without tearing. Otherwise if they stick and tear the carb will not run right and you will have to buy and install new parts. If you have a carb overhaul kit it may tell you the carb manufacturer and model and you may be able to find some information on the internet at the OEM website. Or an internet search may turn up a discussion group where someone describes how to do the job. The first carb I overhauled I used a little too much brute force and stripped out a screw when I reassembled it. For the most part the smaller the engine the more difficult it is to get it off and back on because everything is crammed in such a small space. There is a thread on the TSBB about cleaning a carb on a 2hp Honda. Be sure to read the message about what you have to remove in order to actually remove the carb. http://tinyurl.com/28z2m2 If you feel comfortable with that, have at it. If you have never overhauled a carb before you may want to buy an old one from someplace like E-bay and practice on that one first. steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY

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My "new" used M 15
by Blake Reimer 26 Aug '07

26 Aug '07

Just a few weeks ago I purchased a 1985 M 15 out of Washington and had it delivered sight unseen to Santa Cruz. It has spent a lot of time in Alaska just prior to my purchase. So far, I am delighted! It looks like I will be naming her IOTA, provided it is not taken by another Monty. I just sanded and oiled the teak yesterday and she smiled. I am working on getting her outfitted for the Monterey Bay waters: getting the jiffy reefing all in order, installing a Harken 205 cam and pedestal for the mainsheet and, of course, a long list of other items. On two of those items, I could use some salty M-15 experience. - I know it is a GPS world now (yeah, I've got one too) but I really want a compass installed on board and notice most of the pictures I see don't have one installed. Does any one have a compass and installation that they are really happy with? I don't need anything fancy but would like something I can see in the cockpit without it getting in the way... - Oddly, my mainsail doesn't seem to have a cunningham eye on it. There is plenty of belly cut into the sail, so I know it can use one. Question: Is this normal on M -15's? If so, do you flatten the sail by using the boom to tighten the luff? If anyone could send me a picture of how they have the whole mast/boom/cunningham/vang area successfully set up, it would be a great help. In the meantime I think I will have a cunningham eyelet put in the main. I am interested in possibly getting together on any outings here in N. Cal. area. Anybody else? Blake

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Re: M_Boats: Seafoaming at the mouth!
by Sandyal55＠aol.com 25 Aug '07

25 Aug '07

In a message dated 8/24/2007 5:19:23 PM Mountain Standard Time, jeffroyce(a)sbcglobal.net writes: Well, i put some Seafoam in the gas tank and couldn't get the engine to turn over. I inspected the plug and (mind you i am no mechanic) it looked a bit oily for such a new engine... i have probably less than 10 hours on it in a years time... the plug was not crusty or anything, just dark... i emory clothed it clean at the tip and reinstalled it. It seems to me that if i could get it to turn over just a bit it would limp along until the Seafoam started working. What would happen if i put some gas in the spark plug "hole" (told ya i was no mechanic)? Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Rather than gas in the plug hole, spray WD40 in the carb intake. Then crank it over. Lots of times, spark plugs will look good on a 2 stroke, but they need changing. They tend to run hot. What engine do you have and how long has it sat? Sandy ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

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My M15 centerboard pin almost fell out!
by Donglai Gong 24 Aug '07

24 Aug '07

Hello all, I took my M15 "Shaolin" out for first sail of the season in the Sandy Hook bay area (by NJ). We had a great time on the water and did some beach hopping. I encountered two major issues. 1) My Honda 2hp is burning oil and start to smoke badly when I ramp up the RPM. We had to shut it off to let it cool before turning it back on again. It worked fine afterwards in speed just above idle, we cruised at 2 knots or so with the motor all afternoon. Any ideas on what could be causing the oil burn? Oil also leaks out of the exhaust pipe if I ramp up the engine. 2) My centerboard pin almost fell out. After I towed the boat out of the water, I saw that the centerboard pin is stuck out way on one side. I could push it mostly back in with just hand force. I don't want is to sail along and have my centerboard fall out on me next time we go out. I'd appreciate any idea or suggestions on these two problems. Thanks! Donglai "Shaolin" M15 #612

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Re: M_Boats: 2007 monty san juan cruise videos now available
by TOMMYVAL＠aol.com 24 Aug '07

24 Aug '07

In a message dated 8/23/2007 10:07:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wdscobie(a)yahoo.com writes: www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xhLN_79TOQ Thanks Dave, real nice job!!! Gary M17 Bellerin ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

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THANKS for sharing your Awesome Trip up North.
by m15＠frontiernet.net 24 Aug '07

24 Aug '07

WOW I felt like I was there, not to mention ,some of the best footage sailing aboard an M15 I've seen yet! For those of us who might own one someday! Regards, Christian F.

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close shave!
by htmills＠zoominternet.net 23 Aug '07

23 Aug '07

BuscaBrisas came within a few feet of biting the dust a couple of weeks ago! She was parked in my yard and the top of a big maple tree came tumbling down during a storm, poking a couple of holes in my house roof, wiping off a couple of sun awnings and very nearly smashing Busca to smithereens! The only damage appears to be a broken masthead light. Yesterday, I stopped up at my local sawmill and found a couple of Amish fellows interested in repairing my roof and tonight they stopped by to look at it and on the way out the drive, you should've seen them giving Busca the once-over! It may have been the first time they've seen a small sailboat up close! *grin* Tod BTW, new e-mail address is: htmills at zoominternet dot net

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