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Sailing out to Ventura and Anacapa Island
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 30 Aug '07

30 Aug '07

Got back last night from our trip to the Channel Islands area. Posted a couple of quick movies made with our camera. It's not really a video camera but lets you take some quick clips. Had a great time sailing with the Socal Potters. Great bunch of folks. trailered over on Wed (7 hour trip). We sailed out of Channel Islands Harbor on Thurs to Ventura Harbor and spent the night, Friday we sailed back down the coast to Channel Islands, and Saturday made the trip out to Anacapa Island (about 12 or 13 miles offshore). Great weather. Sailed all the way usually at 5 knots or better. The movies are posted on the home page of our website. No sound to the second one. Can't make it work for some reason and I'm tired of fighting it! Enjoy. www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com Sean M23 Dauntless ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

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Re: Paul's Potter trip to Anacapa
by Norm 29 Aug '07

29 Aug '07

Hi Paul, When you passed the fuel dock coming back from Anacapa, you saw me with my Coast Guard Auxiliary buddies. After I called out to you, several others with me asked what your sailboat was. I told them it was a Monty 15 like mine. They all commented what a great looking boat it was. Remember, almost all of these guys own big power boats (we were on the 65' Pacific Mariner) but most had sail boats when they were younger. It's always great to hear a Monty getting complimented! Norm Bundek M15 #172 Ventura P.S. had a fantastic sail out to Anacapa last week with the So Cal Potter group. Lotsa fun. Paul L. M-15 #468 Layton, UT

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Re: M_Boats: Tongue weight
by Rik Sandberg 29 Aug '07

29 Aug '07

Rik Sandberg wrote: > Norm, > > There we have it then. A newbie's big chance to learn something. > > I don't disagree with your 10% tongue weight rule of thumb. It is > generally about right. What I disagree with is, saying that more than > 10% tongue weight will cause trailer sway. This is incorrect. It may > cause a handling problem for the tow vehicle, but it will not cause > the trailer itself to be unstable. Towed with a proper vehicle more > (within reason) tongue weight is better. > > In other words, a trailer with too little tongue weight will not be > stable behind ANY vehicle. A trailer with extra tongue weight will be > extra stable behind a strong enough tow vehicle, but prone to handling > problems behind a tow vehicle that is not strong enough. The tow > vehicle capability is the determining factor in this case, not the > trailer. > > Rik > > Norm wrote: >> Hi Rik, >> >> I don't say it, the research from U-haul, Purdue University etc say >> it. Their research is about cars that are not set up to handle 18 >> wheeler trailers. Their suspensions are a bit different than a car >> are designed to handle very heavy loads. A car be put together with >> heavier suspension, weight distributing hitches in order to carry >> heavier tongue weight. The research is for stock cars and people who >> don't know what they are doing and don't have your expense. The >> whole question was started by a newbie to towing. I would not >> question your statements about 18 wheelers. >> >> I also teach Coast Guard Auxiliary classes on safe boating and >> trailering. We recommend the 10% rule for cars pulling trailers not >> 18 wheelers. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Sandberg" >> <sanderico(a)earthlink.net> >> To: "Norm Bundek" <nbundek(a)earthlink.net>; "For and about Montgomery >> Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:01 AM >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tongue weight >> >> >>> Norm, >>> >>> As I said *"Now whether the tow vehicle can handle the weight or not >>> is another issue."* >>> >>> If what you say is true then 18 wheelers should be spinning out all >>> over the country as we speak. >>> >>> Obviously, to start with, one needs to know and not exceed the >>> capacities of their hitching equipment. >>> >>> Uhaul doesn't differentiate between sway caused by an over/poorly >>> loaded tow vehicle and a poorly loaded trailer. There is a big >>> difference, even though the end result may be the same (car/boat in >>> ditch). The cause of the problem came from opposite ends of the rig. >>> >>> Yes, too much tongue weight on the tow vehicle can make them unruly. >>> That's why finding just the right tongue weight for some >>> combinations (little car/big boat) can be tricky. If your tow >>> vehicle can handle the weight though, or, if you do something (like >>> a torsion hitch) to equalize the weight on the tow vehicle's axles, >>> more tongue weight will make your trailer more stable every time. >>> Especially if the tongue weight is increased by taking weight (such >>> as an outboard motor) off the transom (ie behind the trailer axle) >>> and placing it up near the tongue (in front of the trailer axle). >>> >>> Something else to consider is; the distance of any heavy object >>> behind the trailers axle(s). this is especially a problem for us >>> with our sailboats and their long overhang behind our trailer's >>> axle(s) One can improve trailer stability by removing something >>> heavy (like an outboard, or a rudder) from the transom of their boat >>> and placing it inside the cabin, or perhaps on a shelf on the >>> trailer frame, under the boat, *just ahead* of the trailer's >>> axle(s). This will take away the pendulum effect of the transom >>> weight (ie long lever arm) and place the weight just ahead of the >>> trailer axle where it will affect the actual tongue weight felt by >>> the tow vehicle very minimally and yet have very little leverage >>> against the trailer axle(s). >>> >> >> >> >

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M-15 Prop pitch
by Jim Sadler 29 Aug '07

29 Aug '07

Thanks for all of the great advise on outboard motors. I have narrowed it down to 4 cycle, long shaft, 2 to 3 HP. Have any of you skippers used a special prop on the motor? Seems like the prop pitch and diameter needs to match the the shaft RPM, motor power curve and the M-15 haul speed. What is the haul speed of M-15? Since the Pelican is still in keel surgery I have no way to make a speed run. sincerely Captain Jim Sadler skipper sailing vessel Pelican M-15

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proper outboard for an M-15
by Paul Vincent 29 Aug '07

29 Aug '07

Hello: I've been thinking I'm overpowered with my old Johnson 4 HP 2 cylcle on my M-15. If I had my druthers, I think I'd go with a 4 cycle like some have said. Much cleaner. I'd go two HP or maybe 3. Also, some lakes do not allow 2 cycles on them at all. Like Tahoe maybe? Just my 2 cents worth. Paul L. M-15 #468 Layton, UT P.S. had a fantastic sail out to Anacapa last week with the So Cal Potter group. Lotsa fun. _________________________________________________________________ See what youre getting intobefore you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507

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M-15 Outboard
by Jim Sadler 29 Aug '07

29 Aug '07

What is a good OB motor for my M-15? Thanks Captain Jim Sadler M-15 Pelican

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 Outboard
by Ernie Priestley 29 Aug '07

29 Aug '07

Skip, Jim, I owned the same motor (Tohatsu 3.5hp 2-cycle). It was strong and reliable, but very dirty. After using it in salt water I would run it in a bucket of fresh to clean the salt out of the system. I was dismayed to see how much oil accumulated on the inner wall of the bucket after only a single minute of operation. The next time I need a motor I'm going to give the marine environment a break and get a 4-cycle. Ernie Priestley Seattle ----- Original Message ---- From: "wcampion(a)aol.com" <wcampion(a)aol.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:42:37 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-15 Outboard Jim, I have a 3.5hp 2 cycle Tohatsu long shaft.? I like it for several reasons, but the biggest advantage is I am able to run the motor at 3/4 speed which maximizes the gas usage and is able to reach optimal hull speed.? A 2hp is good but if you?run into a head wind or strong currents you may need to run your 2hp at full throttle which isn't always good for long periods of time.? (IMHO). Skip M-15 #201 Wild Guppy? -----Original Message----- From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 4:39 pm Subject: M_Boats: M-15 Outboard What is a good OB motor for my M-15? Thanks Captain Jim Sadler M-15 Pelican _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Looking for a boat
by lmhipple＠efn.org 28 Aug '07

28 Aug '07

Good morning. I just found this list and am a new member. I have crossed the Indian Ocean in a Bristol Channel Cutter, owned and lived aboard a Falmouth Cutter in pre-Katrina New Orleans and am now in Oregon. I am a great fan of Lyle Hess designs and am looking for a trailerable boat for Pacific Northwest lakes. A neighbor has a Montgomery 17 and it seems to be the ideal boat for my current needs. Just wanted to say hi, and if anyone has a M17 in need of a good home (does not need to be in pristine condition) please let me know. Regards, Larry Hipple

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Tongue weight
by Norm Bundek 28 Aug '07

28 Aug '07

No, speaking from a stability standpoint, this is just plain wrong. More tongue weight never hurts trailer stability. Now whether the tow vehicle can handle the weight or not is another issue. The rule of thumb for trailer tongue weight is between 5 and 10 percent of total trailer weight. This does not mean that more tongue weight is a problem, just that you need to have at least 5 to 10 percent to get a fairly stable towing trailer. Rik Most trailer weight souces go with 10% - less is okay but seldom more for trailers under 2,000 lbs like ours. Over 10% is a problem according however. Realize these are only recomended! But, excessive weight causes sway according to the Purdue web site below. They did the research - not me. Regarding tongue weight: Uhaul states no more that 10% as one source: http://www.uhaul.com/hitches/glossary/#tongueweight The Purdue web site states about excessive weight: http://www.purdue.edu/transportation/vehicle/TowGuidelines.DOC Watch your tongue weight: How a trailer handles down the road depends upon tongue weight. Too much weight will cause the rear of the trailer to sway and make the tow vehicle difficult to control. The tongue weight should not exceed 200 pounds for trailer up to 2,000 pounds. Tongue weight for trailers over 2,000 pounds should be 10 to 15% of the trailer's loaded weight. The 10% applies to weights over 2,000 lbs. Most M15's will not exceed 2,000 lbs. Extra weight causes sway not more control. Most sources show 10% as a guideline: http://www.truckstuffusa.com/hitches---winches-hitches.html Norm M15 #172

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Re: M_Boats: Seafoaming at the mouth!
by Brian Ripley 28 Aug '07

28 Aug '07

After I had had my brand new 4hp 2 stroke about two years it gummed up and stopped on me. That is when I learned about not leaving gas in the carb of a two stroke while it is being stored. I used a whole can of spray carb cleaner on it, sprayed gradually through the air intake; just enough to keep it sputtering along. After it kept running without being sprayed I took it out for some long runs to complete the job. Now I run the carb dry by shutting off the gas line a few minutes before coming in and let the engine run till it quits. I haven't had a problem since and I think that was about 1990. Brian Ripley '88 M15 #421 ----- Original Message ---- From: Jeff Royce <jeffroyce(a)sbcglobal.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 5:35:29 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: Seafoaming at the mouth! Todd, It worked! I put a bit of gas in the "hole", tightened up the plug, gave her a pull and she sputtered a bit until the fuel i put in burnt and then... nothing. So, here's the next question... carbeurator cleaner... do i have to take anything apart in the carbeurator to do that or (and don't laugh here, i am afraid i am serious) can i spray it directly into the air intake (looks like a wire mesh sort of air cleaner deal)? Jeff htmills(a)zoominternet.net wrote: When you had the plug out, did you check to see if you had a good spark? With the plug out, put the wire on it, touch the threaded part of the plug to a metal part of the outboard, and pull. (you might need a helper). Just keep your fingers back on the rubber wire cover so as not to get bitten. If it has a good spark, you could put a half-teaspoon of gas or a quick shot of carb cleaner in before replacing the plug. Then see if it will fire. If it does, then you know it's probably a plugged jet or miss-adjustment.... Tod M17 #408 BuscaBrisas -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.c om] On Behalf Of Jeff Royce Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:19 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Seafoaming at the mouth! Well, i put some Seafoam in the gas tank and couldn't get the engine to turn over. I inspected the plug and (mind you i am no mechanic) it looked a bit oily for such a new engine... i have probably less than 10 hours on it in a years time... the plug was not crusty or anything, just dark... i emory clothed it clean at the tip and reinstalled it. It seems to me that if i could get it to turn over just a bit it would limp along until the Seafoam started working. What would happen if i put some gas in the spark plug "hole" (told ya i was no mechanic)? Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.6/971 - Release Date: 8/24/2007 2:59 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.6/971 - Release Date: 8/24/2007 2:59 PM _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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