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Sail Stop Loss
by Rick Langer 31 Aug '07

31 Aug '07

I recently relocated the gate in the sail slot on my mast so that it's below the boom, hence making reefing easier. Anyway, I found that by closing the gate a bit the 1/2" sail stop stays in and the gate is still wide enough to accept the gooseneck slide. I don't know if this will work with all setups, but it might keep a few sail stops off the bottom. Rick Langer M15 #337 Bluebird

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Re: M_Boats: Sail stop for M-15
by Bob Eeg 31 Aug '07

31 Aug '07

That's because I buy 'em up. I have to order 10 at a time and they go fast. I suggest you buy two; the fish get a free one every season. Bob -----Original Message----- >From: Blake Reimer <blkreimer(a)yahoo.com> >Sent: Aug 30, 2007 10:58 PM >To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: M_Boats: Sail stop for M-15 > >Just my two cents. I have had a 1/2" round sail stop on order at West Marine for about a month with no luck so far. I am not certain I heard it right, but they may be having trouble getting them? > > If anyone has success, please let us know. > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Boat Builder

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Sail stop for M-15
by Blake Reimer 31 Aug '07

31 Aug '07

Just my two cents. I have had a 1/2" round sail stop on order at West Marine for about a month with no luck so far. I am not certain I heard it right, but they may be having trouble getting them? If anyone has success, please let us know.

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Worst Conditions for a M-17
by Randy Wirth 31 Aug '07

31 Aug '07

After having spent nearly 20 years sailboarding and windsurfing, I got my first sailboat an M-17 ,"ForePlay". I gave my wife the choice of an ultralight, a BMW motorcycle or the sailboat. Unfortunately, as a windsurfer with a very short board, I was used to looking for storm conditons and wind above 30 knots. Fortunately, as the storm approached our high mountain lake, Bear Lake, I thought to let my wife and son out at the marina before heading back out to see what the M-17 could do. I shrugged off the small boat warnings from the Coast Guard (I was the only boat on the 27 mile long lake). I had already rigged the storm sail and reefed the main as the wind came ripping accross the water. I decided to head into the wind and ease off as wind force allowed. At the peak the wind hit over 50 knots. I was able to handle the boat with storm sail alone. The biggest problem came when it came time to head back to the marina. The waves were 4-5' and I could not leave the tiller to get the sails down. By the time I motored back into the Marina, my jib sheet had broken loose from its shakle and was flailing miserably and I was getting hypothermic. I motored back rather humbled. My wife was standing next to the Coast Guard who had been watching my fiasco through binoculars. His comment at my wife's concern was "Its a sailboat, if it goes over, it will pop up again." I don't know about other boats, but I have plenty of confidence in the Monty. I immediatly set about rigging a downhaul for my jib. randy M-17 Utah ----- Original Message ----- From: <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:43 PM Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 54, Issue 23 > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. RE: Sailing out to Ventura and Anacapa Island (Hughston, Larry) > 2. Sail stop (Joe Moore) > 3. RE: worst conditions to take an m15 (ORLANDO VELEZ) > 4. Re: Sail stop (Bill Tosh) > 5. Re: First M17 sail (Larry E Yake) > 6. Re: Sail stop (judy casino) > 7. Link for Sail Stop West Marine (m15(a)frontiernet.net) > 8. Re: Looking to meet an M17 owner in my neighborhood > (Brandon McClintock) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:48:15 -0700 > From: "Hughston, Larry" <Larry.Hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov> > Subject: RE: M_Boats: Sailing out to Ventura and Anacapa Island > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > <5EFE2F415E9DBE4FAABCC2040AC11AB701FB4978(a)smf00exch103.dgsaccounts.dgs.ca.gov> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Now I feel good. I just went sailing on a great Monty 23. -Thanks, > ---L. In Sacramento. (M-15 hull # 189) > > -----Original Message----- > From: > montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmiss > ion.com] On Behalf Of Nebwest2(a)aol.com > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 2:54 PM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: M_Boats: Sailing out to Ventura and Anacapa Island > > Got back last night from our trip to the Channel Islands area. Posted a > couple of quick movies made with our camera. It's not really a video > camera but lets you take some quick clips. Had a great time sailing with > the Socal Potters. Great bunch of folks. trailered over on Wed (7 hour > trip). We sailed out of Channel Islands Harbor on Thurs to Ventura > Harbor and spent the night, Friday we sailed back down the coast to > Channel Islands, and Saturday made the trip out to Anacapa Island > (about 12 or 13 miles offshore). Great weather. > Sailed all the way usually at 5 knots or better. The movies are posted > on the home page of our website. No sound to the second one. Can't make > it work for some reason and I'm tired of fighting it! Enjoy. > > www.havasumontgomerys.piczo.com > > Sean > M23 Dauntless > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new > AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:24:45 -0400 > From: Joe Moore <joemoore(a)josephmoore.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Sail stop > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com>" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <C2FB949D.D806%joemoore(a)josephmoore.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I have managed to lose my sail stop that fits into the mainsail track on > my > M15. Does anyone know where I can get a replacement and what specific > size? > > Thanks > > Joe Moore > "Midnight Passage" > M15 #641 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:42:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: ORLANDO VELEZ <velezo(a)verizon.net> > Subject: RE: M_Boats: worst conditions to take an m15 > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <424633.19753.qm(a)web84005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Thank you Bill for your advise, I was tired swimming behind the boat. > Thank you all for your input is comforting to know that the M15 can > take that much. > And to Jerry as long as everybody else in the boat is enjoying who > cares about one passenger. > > Orlando Velez > M15 > > > > > > > > "William B. Riker" <wriker(a)mindspring.com> wrote: > So reduce the risk. Pee in can and dump it over the side. Much safer. And > less visible. > > Bill Riker > M15 - #184 > Storm Petrel > and peecan > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com] > On Behalf Of Bob Olson > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 10:59 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: worst conditions to take an m15 > > I don't think I've been out in the wildest conditions of any M-boat > sailor, but earlier this year, I was out with the Potter group in 25 > to 30 knots of wind on the south puget sound. I had my main reefed > and the jib down. I don't think I would have had any sail up at all > with 5 more knots of wind. So, personally, I'd put max wind speed at > around 30 knots. Any more than that, you might need a sailboard. > > But, the most miserable time was motoring back to our launch site-- > the next day--into a head wind of 25 knots and driving rain--10 miles > or so. Beating into 3' swells and the honda 2hp barely making > headway. I was never really fearful of capsizing, but froze my ass > off 'cause I didn't dress warm enough. Thought hypothermia would get > me first. > > My guess is the most dangerous aspect of sailing is probably getting > heatstroke or hypothermia. Or falling overboard while peeing. > > --Bob Olson > M-15 Seaquel > > > On Aug 27, 2007, at 7:10 PM, ORLANDO VELEZ wrote: > >> Hello >> With so many knowledgeable sailors in this group I wold like to >> ask what has been the worst weather / sea conditions you have >> experienced and >> what are the worst condition that an m15 can take? >> >> thanks >> Orlando Velez >> M15 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:42:22 -0500 > From: "Bill Tosh" <billt(a)eastex.net> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail stop > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <006801c7eaa7$0b7196a0$0101a8c0@tower> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > 1/2 ",,,,West Marine........ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Moore > To: For and about Montgomery > Sailboats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:24 PM > Subject: M_Boats: Sail stop > > > I have managed to lose my sail stop that fits into the mainsail track on > my > M15. Does anyone know where I can get a replacement and what specific > size? > > Thanks > > Joe Moore > "Midnight Passage" > M15 #641 > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:17:37 -0700 > From: Larry E Yake <leyake(a)juno.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: First M17 sail > To: rick@skyko.com,montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <20070829.201737.3076.2.leyake(a)juno.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >> Note this is a good time to ask, is the foot of the mainsail supposed > to stay in the slot in the boom arm? My wife asked, and I just was not > quite >sure. The rope bead along the foot just doesn't seem thick enough > to ride in the groove on the boom... > > Looks like you have a loose footed main, which is meant to fly free of > the boom. Your pictures don't show it, but I assume there's a slug at > the clew which runs in the slot in the boom. > > Sounds like you had a great first sail. Thanks for the report. > > Larry > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:52:39 -0700 (PDT) > From: judy casino <jratesq(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail stop > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <669349.91922.qm(a)web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi Joe, > The one Bob Eeg supplied to me with my new M15 is a > Davis track stop with a 1/2" diameter round slide ( > Davis part number 02350). You can buy them at West > Marine (and I'm sure many other sailing retailers). At > West Marine, they are $8.99. The one supplied to me > with the boat by Eeg appears to fit perfectly, and the > round slide shape rides smoothly in the mast track. I > recommend that you buy two, as they are easy to lose > overboard! > Regards, > Ron Casino > --- Joe Moore <joemoore(a)josephmoore.com> wrote: > >> I have managed to lose my sail stop that fits into >> the mainsail track on my >> M15. Does anyone know where I can get a replacement >> and what specific size? >> >> Thanks >> >> Joe Moore >> "Midnight Passage" >> M15 #641 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, > news, photos & more. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 05:07:57 +0000 > From: m15(a)frontiernet.net > Subject: M_Boats: Link for Sail Stop West Marine > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <20070830050757.kbdua658a10k84g8(a)webmail.frontiernet.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; > format="flowed" > > Joe > here is the link for West Marine that Judy spoke of. You may have to > cut and paste the link. > > Christian F. > > > http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/producte/10001/-1/10001… > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 23:42:58 -0700 > From: "Brandon McClintock" <brandonmcc(a)usa.net> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Looking to meet an M17 owner in my neighborhood > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <780LHdgp77320S04.1188456178(a)cmsweb04.cms.usa.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I'm not quite sure how this works but I am interested in knowing if there > are > any M17 owners in the Sacramento area who would be willing to show me > their > boat. For a number of reasons I've decided to explore the world of > trailer > sailing. The M17 seems to be a truly fine boat for this but I have not > actually seen one up close and personal. I live in Woodland and would > enjoy > meeting anyone who could offer advice / suggestions on the boat's > characteristics. I now own (and am desperately trying to sell) both a Cal > 2-24 (berthed in Richmond) and a Kingfisher 22 " SHANTI " which comes on > her > own trailer. > > Looking forward to hearing from anyone who cares to respond. > > Brandon McClintock > 530-662-0602 / 530-908-1788 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 54, Issue 23 > ************************************************

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Re: M_Boats: First M17 sail
by Larry E Yake 31 Aug '07

31 Aug '07

> Note this is a good time to ask, is the foot of the mainsail supposed to stay in the slot in the boom arm? My wife asked, and I just was not quite >sure. The rope bead along the foot just doesn't seem thick enough to ride in the groove on the boom... Looks like you have a loose footed main, which is meant to fly free of the boom. Your pictures don't show it, but I assume there's a slug at the clew which runs in the slot in the boom. Sounds like you had a great first sail. Thanks for the report. Larry

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 Prop pitch
by Sandyal55＠aol.com 31 Aug '07

31 Aug '07

In a message dated 8/29/2007 11:24:59 AM Mountain Standard Time, jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com writes: Thanks for all of the great advise on outboard motors. I have narrowed it down to 4 cycle, long shaft, 2 to 3 HP. Have any of you skippers used a special prop on the motor? Seems like the prop pitch and diameter needs to match the the shaft RPM, motor power curve and the M-15 haul speed. What is the haul speed of M-15? Since the Pelican is still in keel surgery I have no way to make a speed run. sincerely Captain Jim Sadler skipper sailing vessel Pelican M-15 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats I doubt that prop pitch is very important on such a light boat. Those considerations are more for a heavy displacement yacht. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

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Re: M15s in heavy weather
by John R. Butler 30 Aug '07

30 Aug '07

Here is my personal experience, and it is from my journal, not from my fading and likely boasting memory. My first M15 "Joy" #264 was, like Jerry's, well-ballasted. She had two 27 group deep cycle batteries in the bilge to power the Minn-Kota trolling motor that I mounted through the bilge, just aft of the keel. In mid-November of 1989--I was a very young 60 way back then--I trailed to Stockton Lake in Southwest Missouri, a Corps of Engineers impoundment noted for very low surrounding hills and plenty of wind. My wind speed and boat speed were as read from the Dwyer hand-held wind meter, and a hand- held Knotstick. Not electronic and high tech, but neither were the patent logs of the old Master Mariners. With a reefed main and full jib, I sailed out of my anchorage, and "Dwyer said winds were rarely below 20 miles per hour, usually 20 to 30 plus, with gusts to over 40! Knotstick reads 5 1/4 knots at times when on a close to beam reach." "Joy's change heavy weather capability, with the second battery in the bilge, is remarkable. Now I'd say she is good for fifteen to twenty miles per hour, unreefed, thirty to thirty five reefed." Now that I am a hundred years older, my "Rejoyce!" M15 #361 may never see such fine sailing, but she loves to sail. And yes, experience helps, too, as well as a lot of ballast. I have been sailing for over 65 years, first with my "Snipe," and a procession of sailboats from a Sun Fish, 13' canoe with a sail designed for an 18 footer, Philippine dugout canoe ("Banca"), Pearson Triton, many others, and aboard a 103' three stick schooner in winds over 70 knots bucking a strong current, with waves over 50', in Australia's Tasman Sea, complete with a couple knock downs and a pooping while I was at the helm. Much fun! Yes, our wonderful little M15 can take a lot, if you are prepared, properly rigged, and have some previous experience in heavy weather. John R. Butler theoldcat(a)cox.net .--.-. | ( ( )__ \ _ / (_, \ ) ,_) | -== (_) ==- -'--`--' /|\ / \ / | \ | ^^ / | \ / | \ ^^ /361| \ / | \ / | \ ^^ / | \ ___/____| \ ______|_ \ ___ _______/ ==== \___\___/ | “MONTGOMERY 15” / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~^~~^=~^~~-=~^~^~=~^~=~~^~= ~^~=~~^=~^~~^~^=~^~-~^~~^~= ^~=~^~=~~^~~=~~=~^~=~~^~~^~^^ John Butler - Sailing again. Praise the Lord!

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Re: Looking to meet an M17 owner in my neighborhood
by Brandon McClintock 30 Aug '07

30 Aug '07

I'm not quite sure how this works but I am interested in knowing if there are any M17 owners in the Sacramento area who would be willing to show me their boat. For a number of reasons I've decided to explore the world of trailer sailing. The M17 seems to be a truly fine boat for this but I have not actually seen one up close and personal. I live in Woodland and would enjoy meeting anyone who could offer advice / suggestions on the boat's characteristics. I now own (and am desperately trying to sell) both a Cal 2-24 (berthed in Richmond) and a Kingfisher 22 " SHANTI " which comes on her own trailer. Looking forward to hearing from anyone who cares to respond. Brandon McClintock 530-662-0602 / 530-908-1788

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Link for Sail Stop West Marine
by m15＠frontiernet.net 30 Aug '07

30 Aug '07

Joe here is the link for West Marine that Judy spoke of. You may have to cut and paste the link. Christian F. http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/producte/10001/-1/10001…

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worst conditions to take an m15
by ORLANDO VELEZ 30 Aug '07

30 Aug '07

Hello With so many knowledgeable sailors in this group I wold like to ask what has been the worst weather / sea conditions you have experienced and what are the worst condition that an m15 can take? thanks Orlando Velez M15

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