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Re: M_Boats: Thoughts on down-sizing
by chbenneck＠juno.com 15 Sep '06

15 Sep '06

Hi David, As with all sailing questions, ...... that depends. It depends on your sailing area; on your and your friends sailing experience and confidence in what kind of weather you can face. Under Sunday afternoon, 10 knot breeze, good weather forecast, no sudden squalls or fronts roaring through, two adult couples in an M15 cockpit is fine, and would be fun. The M15 stern squats a bit in the water with four adults in the cockpit, but you can have an enjoyable time. The situation changes though, if the weather deteriorates; the wind strength increases, you, and your friends are relatively inexperienced sailors, and home port is still far away. Now you are going to have to reef the main; maybe change the head sail to a working jib, close the companionway hatch and put in the hatch boards. Then four adults in the cockpit become two too many for easy boat handling. ....so the, ".....that depends" is a function of your sailing experience, your boat handling experience in deteriorating weather conditions; how far away is a safe port, or your home port; is the weather phenomena a short term situation - a local summer thunderstorm that blows by in half an hour - or is it a Nor'easter slowly settling in for three days; can you anchor somewhere in a good lee; ..... ? You alone can answer these questions. Connie

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Re: M_Boats: M17 - #643 - SEABISCUIT
by DORUDD＠aol.com 15 Sep '06

15 Sep '06

In a message dated 9/13/2006 12:14:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, n9ca(a)comcast.net writes: John, When I purchased an M-17 in 2000, Bob shipped it to me in S.E. Tennessee for less that it would have cost me to pick it up. Just something to consider. CKA ----- Original Message ----- From: <TERMEQUIP(a)aol.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:47 AM Subject: M_Boats: M17 - #643 - SEABISCUIT > HI GANG: > > I AM ABOUT TO TAKE DELIVERY OF MY NEW M17 ON OR ABOUT SEPTEMBER 25 (2006). > I LIVE IN OHIO AND POSSIBLY WILL DRIVE TO CALIFORNIA TO PICK HER UP. > > I AM THINKING OF ADDING A ELECTRICAL AUTO PILOT TO THE BOAT FOR USE > ESPECIALLY WHEN MOTORING. I HAVE HAD SEVERAL AUTOHELM TYPES 4000 AND 7000 AND THE > WORKED GREAT AFTER MANY YEARS OF SERVICE. I HAVE NEVER HAD A TILLER TYPE AND > WANTED TO KNOW THE THINKING OF THE BEST ONE TO PURCHASE AND THE CORRECT SIZE. > > I WILL PURCHASE A NEW HONDA 5hp BUT AM NOT THINKING OF GETTING THE > ALTERNATOR OPTION. I AM PURCHASING THE ELECTRICAL PACKAGE FROM MONTGOMERY WHICH > INCLUDES THE BATTERY CHARGER. ONE OF MY QUESTIONS IS HOW LONG WILL THE AUTO PILOT > LAST ON A FULLY CHARGED BATTERY? > > ANY OTHER COMMENTS WOULD ALSO BE APPRECIATED. > > THANKS AND GOOD SAILING > JOHN RUPP > CORTLAND, OHIO > _TERMEQUIP(a)AOL.COM_ > (mailto:TERMEQUIP@AOL.COM) > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats How does one get a boat and trailer shipped across the country and how much money are we talking about? DAVID O. RUDD Gallatin River Communications L.L.C. 625 S. Second St., Springfield IL 62704 (217) 744-2420 Fax (217) 744-2421

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CDI Roller furling
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 15 Sep '06

15 Sep '06

Tim, If memory serves me right, yes, you could probably remove the furler with the mast up. Honestly, I'd probably lower it. I think when you slide the foil off of the headstay there is a piece at the top of the foil, a black cap like thing, that when you get to the point where you have to slide it off the end fitting you may have to unscrew it. But, I don't think that would cause any problems. and ....I have to say that I agree with your reasons for switching back to hank on sails. There is nothing wrong with furlers..but they are a trade off of convenience for performance. Additionaly, if you are stepping and unstepping , and trailering often, they are a pain in the butt. However, I like you have a wife who thought the furler was the cat's meow! Sean

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Re: M_Boats: Thoughts on down-sizing
by DORUDD＠aol.com 15 Sep '06

15 Sep '06

In a message dated 9/14/2006 6:54:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, chbenneck(a)juno.com writes: Hi Giles, Question. Sailing by yourself or with someone? In either case, see Scott Grometer's description of cruising for several weeks on the Inside Passage with his wife in an M15 on the Msite It's doable. I checked the M15 and found that if you take out the Portapotti and replace it with a cushion, you have nice sitting headroom, and can stretch out your legs under the cockpit sole. Of course, this is fine for one person but doesn't work for two. For two people, then the answer is a tarp over the boom so that you can use the cockpit for the living room / dining room / galley - sitting head room, space to work and protection from the rain. The cabin is then purely for sleeping. My answer is, smaller is better. It's less work trailering; less work rigging prior to launch; everything is smaller, lighter, and cheaper - and sailing is just as much fun as in a larger vessel. If you start talking more space; more headroom; the boat gets bigger. Bigger means heavier and longer mast. More difficulty stepping the mast. Bigger trailer. Bigger tow vehicle. More difficulty launching. You don't get younger, the trailer just gets heavier. As far as I was concerned, the M15 - for our uses, voyages, and sailing areas it was ideal. The only problem was that, even though the M15 was ideal for our uses, we kept getting older and older till we finally had to face the fact that Old Father Neptune was right. It's time to drop the anchor. Even with the new 11 foot Shellback, on an aluminum trailer to reduce the weight, I find getting in and out is becoming a chore, because my legs don't seem to want to do what the mind says they should do. Them's my $0.02 cents worth. Happy sailing, Connie _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats I am thinking of downsizing also but since I usually daysail I am most concerned about the amount of space in the cockpit. Could 2 couples daysail for a few hours comfortably? DAVID O. RUDD Gallatin River Communications L.L.C. 625 S. Second St., Springfield IL 62704 (217) 744-2420 Fax (217) 744-2421

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RE: M_Boats: Thoughts on down-sizing
by Hughston, Larry 15 Sep '06

15 Sep '06

Connie, I love reading any comment you have regarding anything sail. I am still slaving away on old 189 to get the shoal keel "just right". If I ever finish this Monty 15 the Smithsonian will have a perfect display sample of Jerry's babies.....Hmmmmmm (still dry in the driveway...) -----L -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmiss ion.com] On Behalf Of chbenneck(a)juno.com Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 4:43 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Thoughts on down-sizing Hi Giles, Question. Sailing by yourself or with someone? In either case, see Scott Grometer's description of cruising for several weeks on the Inside Passage with his wife in an M15 on the Msite It's doable. I checked the M15 and found that if you take out the Portapotti and replace it with a cushion, you have nice sitting headroom, and can stretch out your legs under the cockpit sole. Of course, this is fine for one person but doesn't work for two. For two people, then the answer is a tarp over the boom so that you can use the cockpit for the living room / dining room / galley - sitting head room, space to work and protection from the rain. The cabin is then purely for sleeping. My answer is, smaller is better. It's less work trailering; less work rigging prior to launch; everything is smaller, lighter, and cheaper - and sailing is just as much fun as in a larger vessel. If you start talking more space; more headroom; the boat gets bigger. Bigger means heavier and longer mast. More difficulty stepping the mast. Bigger trailer. Bigger tow vehicle. More difficulty launching. You don't get younger, the trailer just gets heavier. As far as I was concerned, the M15 - for our uses, voyages, and sailing areas it was ideal. The only problem was that, even though the M15 was ideal for our uses, we kept getting older and older till we finally had to face the fact that Old Father Neptune was right. It's time to drop the anchor. Even with the new 11 foot Shellback, on an aluminum trailer to reduce the weight, I find getting in and out is becoming a chore, because my legs don't seem to want to do what the mind says they should do. Them's my $0.02 cents worth. Happy sailing, Connie _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: Thoughts on down-sizing
by David Thomason 15 Sep '06

15 Sep '06

The M17 was on my short list of boats, but in the end I opted for a Com-Pac 23 diesel, and surprise, she needed her own slip as rigging & launching proved to be a rather daunting task. At 3,200 pounds (less equipment & provisions), the CP23D proved too much at the ramp for this old guy. I am happy with the boat, but it's an extra $2,400/year for the slip... you can buy a lot of beer for that much money. OTOH, it would be possible to stay on the boat for a month or so, and the 7 gallon diesel tank was is more than enough for an entire season. Since shopping for a sailboat is part of the fun, take your time.

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Re: M_Boats: Thoughts on down-sizing
by bownez＠juno.com 14 Sep '06

14 Sep '06

Hello Giles, I read your post and it brought to the surface thoughts I have had many times, to take a step up or be satisfied with the boat I'm sailing. Now granted, you have the down sizing mindset, which is the main reason I plan to hold on to my M17. I have heard countless stories of sailors who have decided to go from trailerable/outboard to diesel/cradle and the end result is that they sail LESS. I am actively sailing my wonderful M23. It fits me to a tee. However, I do have the wanderlust to explore the desolate, remote lakes of northern Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan and Ontario. I can do all this with the M17, alone or with a friend/wife. If the area is worth a prolonged visit, well, towing the bulky M23 is an option. The point I'm trying to make is: own the boat that gets you on the water the most. You can spend 5 times as much on a boat above a M15 or M17, but you'll not have 5 times as much fun. If I really have two foot-itis, I'll do a charter for a long weekend. Then walk away. Season winding down here in Minnesota, trees are starting to change. Fall sailing is beautiful. Later, Bones

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Re: M_Boats: Still looking for a M15 or M17 for sale
by Eeeisen＠aol.com 14 Sep '06

14 Sep '06

I would like to remind everyone that we have a 1992 M-17 for sale in the Fort Worth, Texas area. We would be happy to arrange a sail for anyone interested. Comes completely rigged and ready to sail! Just needs a little breeze! Dorothy & Eldor M-17 Motu iti

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Re: M_Boats: Thoughts on down-sizing
by chbenneck＠juno.com 14 Sep '06

14 Sep '06

Hi Giles, Question. Sailing by yourself or with someone? In either case, see Scott Grometer's description of cruising for several weeks on the Inside Passage with his wife in an M15 on the Msite It's doable. I checked the M15 and found that if you take out the Portapotti and replace it with a cushion, you have nice sitting headroom, and can stretch out your legs under the cockpit sole. Of course, this is fine for one person but doesn't work for two. For two people, then the answer is a tarp over the boom so that you can use the cockpit for the living room / dining room / galley - sitting head room, space to work and protection from the rain. The cabin is then purely for sleeping. My answer is, smaller is better. It's less work trailering; less work rigging prior to launch; everything is smaller, lighter, and cheaper - and sailing is just as much fun as in a larger vessel. If you start talking more space; more headroom; the boat gets bigger. Bigger means heavier and longer mast. More difficulty stepping the mast. Bigger trailer. Bigger tow vehicle. More difficulty launching. You don't get younger, the trailer just gets heavier. As far as I was concerned, the M15 - for our uses, voyages, and sailing areas it was ideal. The only problem was that, even though the M15 was ideal for our uses, we kept getting older and older till we finally had to face the fact that Old Father Neptune was right. It's time to drop the anchor. Even with the new 11 foot Shellback, on an aluminum trailer to reduce the weight, I find getting in and out is becoming a chore, because my legs don't seem to want to do what the mind says they should do. Them's my $0.02 cents worth. Happy sailing, Connie

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Re: M_Boats: M15
by DORUDD＠aol.com 14 Sep '06

14 Sep '06

In a message dated 8/31/2006 11:09:05 A.M. Central Daylight Time, nummij(a)aol.com writes: I have an M17 in Superior, WI, I would be glad to show you that. I have a friend who has a M15 I'll ask him if he will show you his. I'll get back to you as soon as I can get a hold of him. Dale H Nummi Superior, WI ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Dale, did you have any luck with your friend who has a 15? I'd love to see one and my wife isn't going to let me buy one until I see one. I don't want to fly to California just to see one. DAVID O. RUDD Gallatin River Communications L.L.C. 625 S. Second St., Springfield IL 62704 (217) 744-2420 Fax (217) 744-2421

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