September 2005 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Re: M_Boats: spinnaker pictures
by Saltm17＠aol.com 16 Sep '05

16 Sep '05

Gil, I have one of Miss T sailing down Chesapeake Bay under spinnaker. It was taken from onboard Miss T and you can only see the lower three panels of the spinnaker, but it does show how the pole was set. I'll send it to your email address. John Edwards "Miss T" M17 #372

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Busca's NEW Cushions
by htmills＠bright.net 16 Sep '05

16 Sep '05

I'm pretty pleased with how Busca's new cushions have turned out. The extra inch of thickness should make for some GOOD sleeping, as between that and the fact that the foam is 18 yrs newer I no longer bottom out. Jerry must've used the GOOD Quality foam for them to last that long. And the covers were just BEGINNING to show wear (probably mostly because of 80# dog toenails!). Here are some pics of the new cushions: http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-BuscaCabinFwd.jpg http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-BuscaCabinPort.jpg http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-BuscaCabinStbd.jpg http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-BuscaQBerth.jpg http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-BuscaQBerthStowage.jpg http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-BuscaOverhead.jpg http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-BuscaPanel.jpg http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-BuscaGalley.jpg http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-BuscaLaZboy.jpg The only downside is that BuscaBrisas and Seas The Day no longer have MATCHING cushions. Tod Mills M17 #408 BuscaBrisas

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Re: M_Boats: Outboard Motor selection
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 15 Sep '05

15 Sep '05

In a message dated 9/15/2005 10:08:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, steve(a)appliedphotonics.com writes: At any rate, if there ever was any truth to the water intake issue, it would not be a problem for the Honda 2. OOPS, Sorry Steve, I didn't read all of your post about the cooling issue. I knew you knew it was air cooled... Bill

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Re: M_Boats: Outboard Motor selection
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 15 Sep '05

15 Sep '05

In a message dated 9/15/2005 10:08:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, steve(a)appliedphotonics.com writes: possibly a water intake issue as I remember I would guess the water cooling could be an issue with most long shaft OB's. Part of what makes the Honda 2 so nice is it is air cooled, so there is no water intake. It also makes it easier to clean after salt water use. Another thought, I dont think a longshaft is necessary if one is using a retractable motor mount, as in the Garhauer used on the new M-Boats. Since we use the rudder to steer, as opposed to the engine, I believe after lowering and starting and adjusting the throttle, one could use either long or short shaft, I cant see where there would be a difference (since the mount lowers the motor) Bill

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Re: M_Boats: Outboard Motor selection
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 15 Sep '05

15 Sep '05

In a message dated 9/15/2005 8:53:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, steve(a)appliedphotonics.com writes: A kicker for a dingy? Are there any mounting modifications necessary to utilize the long shaft feature on a dingy motor mount? Well, on second thought a long shaft on a short shaft transome sure would put the prop and lower unit at risk. However, I think it's doable if the Honda was tilted up a bit, sort of running like the larger motors in the "shallow water drive position." The Honda 2hp is a bit noisy, considering it's output. I think it's because of the air cooling and that it's a single cylinder, which may make it vibrate more than a twin cylinder. "IF" you've alrady got the need for the 2hp on you Monty I'd certainly give it a try on the dinghy. The concern I would have is regarding the sailing area. Bill

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RE: M_Boats: Outboard Motor selection
by Tom Smith 15 Sep '05

15 Sep '05

I can't answer the dingy question, or milage for that matter because I've never run through a full tank of gas at one time. But I do know the newer 2s are clutched, as opposed to our 2000 model, which is not and is driving from the moment it fires up. With our motor, once you crank it up, life becomes an adventure. t /)) Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/496--Unnamed

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RE: M_Boats: Outboard Motor selection
by Morris, Giles 15 Sep '05

15 Sep '05

> Of those using the 2 HP Honda's kicker for M17 how well do they work > out as a kicker for a dingy? I use the 2HP Honda on an Avon Redcrest deflatable, and it works well, if rather noisily. Just put it on the mount and try to avoid dropping it overboard (only happened once so far -- but I was feeling paranoid and had attached a line to it).. Giles Morris

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Outboard Motor selection
by Steve Shenkel 15 Sep '05

15 Sep '05

Of those using the 2 HP Honda's kicker for M17 how well do they work out as a kicker for a dingy? Are there any mounting modifications necessary to utilize the long shaft feature on a dingy motor mount? What is the average time or distance you can get from a tank full of gas? Are there any significant differences over the years of the various models of 2 HP Honda's? Is the air-cooled Honda 2HP as quiet as the other Honda outboards are know to be? The reason I ask is that I have a 2 HP Johnson air cooled motor that I have used on our Zodiac. If I did not know any better, I would have thought its means of propulsion was noise. Steve Shenkel Steve Shenkel Director of Manufacturing 7432 E.Tierra Buena Lane, Suite 101 Scottsdale, AZ 85260 Phone: 480 998-2333 Fax: 480 998-2201 www.appliedphotonics.com The Cutting Edge in Laser Technology

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Tiny Honda Vs. M-17
by William Sylvester 15 Sep '05

15 Sep '05

I have been wanting to give my opinion of the Honda, long shaft, 4 stroke, 2hp, pushing an M-17 since the discussion on outboards last year. I was pretty well convinced that I had made a mistake using this setup. I liked the idea of a light motor, quiet, air cooled, and economical on gas. I also liked how it fit neatly into the stock cutout in the transom. It does not take up any room in the cockpit at all. Even though we have taken many trips with the tiny motor, we have never had to give it any test of pushing power. Yesterday we took a nice sail on a local lake. The wind was about 5 to 8 kts and we had a great morning and sailed downwind the five or so miles to the end of the lake and had lunch. After lunch we started back and the wind picked up to 20+ kts (as measured by my hand held gauge) lots of whitecaps and an exciting sail. After a couple of tacks, we decided progress was too slow and we would motor back to the launch ramp. As I went to start the little motor, I could hear you guys whispering in my ear. "Bill, you should have got the 4hp." We pointed into the wind with the motor at a fast idle and lowered and secured the flapping sails. We headed straight into the wind and chop and I sweated as moved the throttle to "slow" (just below the start mark). I watched the GPS for our overground speed and in a couple of minutes it was reading 4.5mph. I left the throttle on slow and we maintained that speed for the 4 miles+ back to the ramp. Comfortable and relatively dry trip. Used about a cup of gas. I am becoming more confident of this tiny motor. I know it won't fight the tides in the San Juans, but it will easily push the boat at hull speed, and with any luck we would make it. Bill and Darcy Sylvester M-17, #279 Endelig

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Re: M_Boats: Tiny Honda Vs. M-17
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 14 Sep '05

14 Sep '05

In a message dated 9/14/2005 1:38:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, wmcsyl1(a)cox.net writes: I have been wanting to give my opinion of the Honda, long shaft, 4 stroke, 2hp, pushing an M-17 since the discussion on outboards last year. I was pretty well convinced that I had made a mistake using this setup. Hi Bill, Myself, I think the Honda 2 is a great little motor. There are others with M-17 who push along with electrics, and during the Wooden Boat show, I was amazed to see how many "heavy" craft use both the electrics and Honda 2hp. Most of sailors saying they like to remove the motor after getting out of the harbor. Some that dont even have a real motor mount, only something that attaches and easily removes, so as not to ruin the aesthetics of their fine craft. I already have a MinnKota Electric which I'll use on my new 15, unless I'm in heavy current or on a cruise. Worst case... The 2hp would make a fine motor on a towed dinghy. So, here's another thumbs up for the Honda 2hp (but not on a 17 in SF Bay on a heavy outgoing tide) Bill www.msog.funtigo.com

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