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M23 on ebay
by Rick Langer 12 Aug '05

12 Aug '05

For those interested there's an M23 currently on ebay # 4567316295 . Rick Langer

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RE: M_Boats: Eye Of Infinity
by Hughston, Larry 12 Aug '05

12 Aug '05

Bill, I can't display your funtig.com images. ---Larry -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmission. com] On Behalf Of BILLAMICASR(a)aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:02 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Eye Of Infinity Hi All, I've added several new items to the Photo Site. One of interest to me is an M-15 named "Eye Of Infinity". I was sent pictures by Brooke Townsend & John Bodine of the M-15 which was found at the Morrow Bay Yacht Club while he was on the way from Seattle, WA through the Panama Canal and on up to the Great Lakes... Check out the new stuff and see if you may have info on the M-15 http://www.funtigo.com/MSOG?b=274839&c=1789789&p=start Enjoy the photos... Bill _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Ocean Traveller Pictures
by nbundek 11 Aug '05

11 Aug '05

Interesting pictures. Does anyone know who the owner of the Eye of Infinity M15 is? I sure would like to know more about his modifications. Being in Ventura, I'm on his course south and would like to meet him. Norm M15 #`72

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Re: M_Boats: Eye Of Infinity
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 11 Aug '05

11 Aug '05

In a message dated 8/11/2005 10:38:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, Larry.Hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov writes: Bill, I can't display your funtig.com images. ---Larry Sorry, It seems that if I'm logged into the site it wont work for anyone else. See what happens after a while. I'm off now. Hope it works pretty soon. Bill

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Eye Of Infinity
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 11 Aug '05

11 Aug '05

Hi All, I've added several new items to the Photo Site. One of interest to me is an M-15 named "Eye Of Infinity". I was sent pictures by Brooke Townsend & John Bodine of the M-15 which was found at the Morrow Bay Yacht Club while he was on the way from Seattle, WA through the Panama Canal and on up to the Great Lakes... Check out the new stuff and see if you may have info on the M-15 http://www.funtigo.com/MSOG?b=274839&c=1789789&p=start Enjoy the photos... Bill

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Re: M_Boats: Motor selection
by bownez＠juno.com 11 Aug '05

11 Aug '05

Hi Gary, I've been quite pleased with my Yamaha 4hp 4 stroke. It has everything except an alternator. Good luck with your new M17! Bones

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Re: M_Boats: Re:Battery Location M17 and trim
by Larry E Yake 11 Aug '05

11 Aug '05

I've been using a Suzuki 2 cycle 4 horse and it's been fine, but as I recall, on the Suzuki 4 cycles, the 6 horse doesn't weigh any more than the 4 horse and has more propeller options. It's more expensive of course. Something to check out. It's also nice to have both the internal and external tanks. The charging coil runs an extra $150 or so. Another nice option for cruising. Larry On Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:35:18 -0700 gmhyde1(a)mac.com writes: > Larry: > I'm motor shopping. Do you think the 4 hp Suzuki is big enough for > the > M17, or is 6 hp necessary? > --Gary > > On Aug 05, 2005, at 10:32 PM, Larry E Yake wrote: > > > Hey, that nice white M17 at Vashon Island was probably Dik and Ann > > > Lang's > > "Sweet Pea" and that gas engine hanging on the stern would be > their new > > Suzuki 4hp 4stroke. (The engine I would like to get.) They were on > the > > San Juan trip this year. > > > > Tullamore sits pretty level when loaded for a trip. I move the > ice > > chest > > into the cabin and shove the duffel bag forward on the V berth > when I > > start sailing. If I have a passenger or 2, that's not enough and > the > > stern drags some. > > > > Larry > > > > On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:05:43 -0700 Frederick M Berthrong > > <fthrong(a)juno.com> writes: > >> Thanks Larry, > >> > >> Yes, I am using an electric trolling motor and so far it has > worked > >> very > >> well (though I still tell everyone interested ... or not .. that > it > >> is > >> an experiment). It weighs about 17 lbs or the entire package > >> including > >> batteries weighs about 120 lbs. Probably not too far different > than > >> a > >> small gas 4-stroke plus extra fuel just the location of the > weight > >> is > >> different. > >> > >> She sails very nicely trimmed as she is with the batteries > forward. > >> With > >> two medium sized humans in the cockpit the trim is about > neutral. > >> It > >> just looks a bit funny to see this beauty nose down a bit on the > >> buoy or > >> for that matter when I am motoring solo. Under sail she seems > to > >> look > >> and act right smart. > >> > >> I guess my real question is ... How do the other M17s float with > all > >> the > >> gear on board ready for a short sail but absent the Lord and > Master > >> and > >> the various mates? ( I was recently in Puget Sound and in > >> particular in > >> Quartermaster Harbor on Vashon Island (terrific wind!) and there > in > >> the > >> Dockton public marina sat a lovely white hull M17. I didn't > have > >> time to > >> look closely but she seemed to be sitting nice and level and, > yes, > >> Larry, > >> she did have a gas engine hanging off the stern.) > >> > >> Thanks for your input. I'll continue fussing with this to see > what > >> combination works best. > >> > >> Fred > >> Dulce > >> > >> On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:48:02 -0700 Larry E Yake <leyake(a)juno.com> > >> writes: > >>> Fred, > >>> I didn't see any other replies on this, so I'll give it a shot. > >>> According to Jerry and the speed guys, the rule of thumb on > both > >> the > >>> M17 > >>> and the M15 is get the weight as far forward as possible. You > >> want > >>> to > >>> have the transom out of the water as much as possible for good > >> boat > >>> speed, as it causes drag. 3 inches seems like a lot, but > you're > >>> carrying > >>> a lot of battery weight there. Are you using an electric motor? > If > >> > >>> you > >>> don't have an outboard hanging on the transom, that would > explain > >> > >>> the > >>> difference in trim. I wouldn't think you'd want to move the > weight > >> > >>> much > >>> further back than the mast support. > >>> Larry > >>> > >>> On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 07:38:05 -0700 Frederick M Berthrong > >>> <fthrong(a)juno.com> writes: > >>>> M-17 ers, > >>>> > >>>> I have two, frame 24 batteries which I installed on a platform > >>> which > >>>> is > >>>> glassed in just forward of the mast support strattling the > >>>> centerline and > >>>> under the bunks. I haven't weighed them but that is about 100 > >> lbs > >>> > >>>> total. > >>>> The problem is Dulce sits in the water heavy by the bow > (about > >> > >>>> three > >>>> inches lower in the bow) . I concluded that the two batteries > >> are > >>> > >>>> the > >>>> reason. I temporarily, just to check it out, moved the > >> batteries > >>> > >>>> aft and > >>>> on either side of the CB trunk. This helped the trim but did > >> not > >>> > >>>> correct > >>>> it entirely. It is clear that the bow section displaces less > >>> water > >>>> than > >>>> the stern part so it is logical that heavy stuff be stowed > aft. > >> > >>> But > >>>> even > >>>> with the 100 lbs of battery further aft she sits with the > stern > >> > >>>> about an > >>>> inch or more higher than the bow as indicated by the factory > >>>> located > >>>> water line (boat fully rigged but with no humans on board). > >>>> > >>>> Does anyone else have this issue? > >>>> > >>>> Once I get a couple of folks in the cockpit everything evens > >> out. > >>> > >>>> Is > >>>> that by design? > >>>> > >>>> Fred Berthrong > >>>> Dulce M17 #300 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:06:05 -0700 "jerry" > >>>> <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> > >>>> writes: > >>>>> If I can comment- that's probably the best place for a > >> battery. > >>>>> > >>>>> Jerry > >>>>> jerrymontgomery.org > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: "Brian Gilbert" <hammerguy(a)mindspring.com> > >>>>> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 3:01 PM > >>>>> Subject: M_Boats: Re:Battery Location M17 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hi Steve: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The original battery location on my M17 was under the port > >>>> berth, > >>>>> but it > >>>>> was > >>>>>> too small for the monster battery I just bought for Tiny > >>>>> Dancer.(1000AH- > >>>>> at > >>>>>> least it's a monster to me) Since the battery weighs 55 lbs, > >> I > >>> > >>>>> figure it's > >>>>>> pretty good ballast, so I've built a high-sided box of epoxy > >> > >>> and > >>>>>> glass-covered plywood, and epoxied that along the centerline > >> > >>> of > >>>> > >>>>> the boat > >>>>>> just forward of the mast support under the Vberth. The > >> battery > >>> > >>>> is > >>>>> a little > >>>>>> harder to get to, but it should work a little better than > >> the > >>> > >>>>> stock setup > >>>>>> with regards to trim. It'll be harder to check the water in > >> > >>> it's > >>>> > >>>>> new > >>>>>> location, but it's well secured and should stay in place. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Best > >>>>>> BG > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Brian Gilbert > >>>>>> Marine Media > >>>>>> Author, Fix It and Sail > >>>>>> (423)876-9990 > >>>>>> 3404 Hartford Drive > >>>>>> Chattanooga, TN 37415 > >>>>>> www.sailingsmall.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> > >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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Re: M-17 forsale
by Clarence Andrews 10 Aug '05

10 Aug '05

> > M-17, hull # NMI17604C000, is for sale. This boat is in immaculate > condition, as is the trailer and all the equipment on the equipment list. > E-mail me and I will send you a copy of the list. The price of this boat is > $18,000. The replacement cost of the boat and all the equipment is in excess > of $25,000. A new M-6-8 dinghy is included. > > Clarence Andrews > Carpe Ventum #604 > Signal Mountain, TN > 423-886-2662 home > 4230400-8379 cell >

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M17 Cockpit drain
by David W. Wood 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

> I spend a day restoring the color (a unique butterscotch/Carmel color) > and adding some personal touches (dings, scratches, and head knockers) Er, Carmel is a tourist enclave in California. Caramel is a color. It is also a soft candy made with butter and sugar that has been heated repeatedly until it's color turns a light brown. OK, I'll shut up now. David =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= David W. Wood -=- dwood(a)dwoodworks.com 1981 M15 -=- Hull #163

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M17 Cockpit drain
by Steve Shenkel 09 Aug '05

09 Aug '05

While everyone else was chiming in on the new Olympic class rigging competition, I quietly took possession of my used M17. I spend a day restoring the color (a unique butterscotch/Carmel color) and adding some personal touches (dings, scratches, and head knockers). However, the real story began Friday when I picked up the trailer on my lunch hour. For 8 years, the boat had not moved from its storage site. It had been reasonably protected from the weather by the typical cheap blue tarps. The local monsoon rains had conspired with the remnants of the cheap blue tarp to clog up the cockpit drain. When I arrived, it looked like there was about 8" of water in the cockpit (within a half inch of entering the main hatch). Having unclogged a few toilets in my time, I went about removing the clog with the tools of the Roto Router man; fashioning a sewer snake from the backstay cable and a plunger out of a hand held bilge pump. Within a few minutes I got it to break free with a gusher a fire truck would be proud of, coming out the transom of the boat. However, my lack of planning allowed a lot of other things to go down the drain that I eventually had to fish out. Although this was manageable in a parking lot, on the sea, it could be detrimental to the safety of a quickly draining cockpit. As the hole if fairly large, has anyone retrofit any strainers into the drain? Also, has anyone added a second or third hole to improve the draining capability of the relatively large cockpit? BTW, my boat is a '77 issue. I believe I have read where later boats may have had a change here? Steve Shenkel Steve Shenkel Director of Manufacturing 7432 E.Tierra Buena Lane, Suite 101 Scottsdale, AZ 85260 Phone: 480 998-2333 Fax: 480 998-2201 www.appliedphotonics.com The Cutting Edge in Laser Technology

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