August 2005 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

M15 centerboard
by Richard Cottrell 17 Aug '05

17 Aug '05

After mistakenly hosing down the cockpit with Redwood tree branch leafs inside, I am now faced with leafs stuck on either side of the centerboard. I've temporarily solved the problem by Launching "Really" only part way - approx 2 feet from the original position and then driving back up the launch ramp where I have room to walk to the centerboard and push it partially down. I then complete the launch and sail away with the centerboard all they way in the "down position". However, when the boat goes back onto the trailer it becomes stuck in the up position, again. The process continues. Any suggestions? Just returned from sailing on Crystal Bay at Lake Tahoe. Launched at Sandy Point on Nevada Side. What a beautiful paradise to sail. The water is sooo crystal blue. Had 10-15 knots of afternoon wind. What fun. Rich Cottrell "Really"

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Parts for M-15
by Robbin.Roddewig 17 Aug '05

17 Aug '05

I have an 81' M-15 that I purchased about a month ago in MD. I would like to add a bow rail and perhaps a swim ladder. I figured it would be easiest to get the parts from Nor Sea but have not had much luck getting them to respond to emails. My initial email got a very quick response that they will not ship the bow rail. But my subsequent emails asking to pick it up at the factory have not gotten a reply. Are they on vacation for all of August? Any suggestions from other folks? Thanks, Robbin

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 Topping Lift
by chbenneck＠juno.com 16 Aug '05

16 Aug '05

Hi Paul, I installed an adjustable topping lift on my M15. I took a strip of stainless steel sheet metal I had in my scrap box and drilled a hole in each end. The first hole matched the size of the clevis pin going through the aft mast sheave. There was enough slop in the clevis pin installation that the stainless steel strap easily fitted in there. Just remove the ring; slide on the strap with block; and reinstall the ring, and the job is done. On the other end of the strap, I installed a small swivel Harken block. I added a cleat to the mast on the starboard side. A cleat with a hole in the center web would be handy so that you can tie the tail end of the topping lift to the cleat, and don't risk loosing it if it slips out of your hand. The topping lift itself is 1/8" Dacron line, tied to the outhaul fitting on the boom. Make the 1/8th" line long enough so that you have enough of a tail for easy use. After several uses you may decide to cut some off, but that is preferable to trying to find a line stretcher in your tool box. Can't live without a topping lift. Connie M15 #400 LEPPO Glastonbury, CT

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NS Dinky
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 16 Aug '05

16 Aug '05

Hi all, A little while ago I requested material to add to the Photo Site and boy did I get a responce. As a result, I've been a bit busy adding albums and pictures. Well here's another one. This one includes some great how to stuff on page two and fortunately for all of us, the person doing the work took lots of great pictures. I've posted two pages with a total of 20 pictures of Randy Graves new 1988 M~17. Enjoy the photos, Bill http://www.funtigo.com/MSOG?b=272411&c=1789789&p=start&cr=1&rfm=y

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RE: M_Boats: M-15 Center Board
by RandyG 16 Aug '05

16 Aug '05

Hi Jim, This may be one of the differences on how the same center board is fitted differently on the 17 versus the 15. Our 17 is a 1988 model. Our cb was damaged due to the weight of the 17 resting on the cb against the trailer's single keel roller. Because our cb does not fully retract up into the cavity the boats weight on the cb against the keel roller caused the cb to crack, twist, and mushroom. I suspect this happened over time as the trailer bunks sagged. When fully retracted the lower edge of our cb is visible below the cb cavity by approx 1 inch. Enough that you can get a pair of visegrips onto it. And enough that you don't want any of the boat's weight resting on the keel roller. Jerry's advise was to leverage against the aft end of the cb and the inside or bottom of the cb cavity. A small pry bar would do the trick, again being careful not the nick our gouge the fiberglass. In your case a long thin-nosed pair of Visegrips might also do the trick. You can wrap the visegrip jaws with masking tape to help avoid any damage from the pinch. With the pivot pin being at the opposite end from where you are prying, you can get a lot of leverage working against the aft end. I also tried looping wire up and over the cb from the bottom. It didn't work for me either. For me the key to getting a really stuck center board down when working from he bottom is the controlled leverage. Randy Graves M17 #410 N.S.D. ________________________________ From: Jim Sadler [mailto:jimsadler@jascopacific.com] Sent: Tue 8/16/2005 8:58 AM To: RandyG Subject: RE: M_Boats: M-15 Center Board Randy Thanks for the tips. What I can't quite figure out is how you were able to clamp a pair of vise grips over the CB. My CB is up into the well. I tried to get a strap of plumbers tape up over the CB and pull down but couldn't get enough leverage. Jim Sadler -----Original Message----- From: RandyG [mailto:RandyG@cite.nic.edu] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 5:24 PM To: jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: M-15 Center Board Jim, We had a stuck fiberglass center board on our 88 M17 (same cb as on your 15). I did want to drill an access hole in the cabin and I suspected our cb was damaged from the 17 sitting to low on the trailer. My first attempt was to try using a wood dowel, then a steel rod, working from the cockpit through the cb pendant hole. This didn't work and I would discourage anyone from trying it if the cb is anything other than lightly stuck. The cb is weak where the pendant attaches and could be easily damaged. If you do pound from the top keep in mind that the cb is a fiberglass-lead-fiberglass sandwich. So think in terms of how hard you would pound a dowel against your hull or deck. Instead, per Jerry's advise, we lifted the back end of our 17 up off the trailer and working from underneath clamped a pair of vise grips & rag over the aft end of cb. Then leveraged the vise grips against cb-trunk using a piece of wood as a buffer. This worked to free our really stuck cb without causing any additional damage. You can get quite a bit of controlled leverage this way. Randy Graves M17 #419 N.S.Dinky ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-bounces+randyg=cite.nic.edu(a)mailman.xmission.com on behalf of Jim Sadler Sent: Mon 8/15/2005 8:52 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: M-15 Center Board Anyone ever had a problem with the center board being stuck retracted? How do you get it to come down? I have pulled real hard and it seems to be stuck solid. Thanks Jim Sadler _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: Tipperary
by Tom Smith 16 Aug '05

16 Aug '05

Everything Bill says regarding Tipperary is absolutely true. Exceptional condition. Jane and I are very pleased. We'll be sailing her on northwest lakes near term, and look forward to joining Larry's San Juan trip next year. We still have a '75 M17 which is in the throes of restoration. I suspect that boat will be for sale next spring. Thanks in public Bill for bringing the boat to Hood River. Long hot drive though it was going home, it was worth it. t Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/496--Unnamed

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Tipperary
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 16 Aug '05

16 Aug '05

Hi All, Here's an update on Hull #496 M~17. After struggling to like the M~17, I personally found that at this time, that size boat is just to much for me to deal with. As many of you know, I was very close to ordering a new M~15 when the opportunity to purchase #496 came. I love this group! I mentioned to Randy Graves that I may sell My M~17 and he told just one who told just one. And then, I got an Email from Tom Smith who flatly stated "I'll buy her!" so, I sold her without the expense of an advertisement or the anxiety of waiting to see who the next owner would be. Last weekend, I drove from Grants Pass, OR to Hood River, OR while Tom & Jane VanWinkle drove from Fairfield, WA to Hood River. The meeting place was right at 310 mile for both of us. I loved the pre-sale inspection. Tom was a bit supprised (as I had been) to see Kern Sails that look as new, a finish as nice as new, and a great list of accessories. Thanks to Randy, Larry Yake and finally to Tom & Jane. Yes, I was reluctant to sell the M~17, but I know she's in good hands. What's next for me... I'll be crewing an M-15 owned by David Wood. I used to want one and now, I'm going to do all I can to make certain before I order. I'm thinking a very salty looking M-15 with lots of modifications. I think I'll just call her... "Salty" I'm changing the information on the Tipperary album pretty soon. Tom hasn't officially change the name yet, but will likely have the party and ceremony to do so with the NW regulars. I'm hoping Randy Graves is there to take some pictures so I can put them in the album. I'm keeping the Photo Site open and will be "begging" for more material as time goes by, so keep the cameras ready to take pictures and remember... Most sailors have lots of pictures of their boat, but most dont have any pictures of them sailing. Bill www.msog.funtigo.com

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M-15 Topping Lift
by George Morrison 16 Aug '05

16 Aug '05

Paul, I used a Schaefer 78-05 Welded Pad Eye at the masthead to make an attachment point for my topping lift. I elongated both its mounting holes 1/16" for it to fit across the two clevis pins that hold the sheaves in the masthead. I then removed both cotter rings, put in across the clevis pins on the starboard side and put the cotter rings back on to hold it in place. The topping lift is simply a line tied to the pad eye, it has two sister clips at the other end for attaching to the boom end (which has one sister clip attached to it by means of a o-ring/keyring actually, thru the outhaul eyestrap). One clip position holds the boom up, the other clip position is used to slack the topping lift line once the sail is raised. No drilling, simple and inexpensive. George M15 #319

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RE: M_Boats: unsticking centerboard on M15
by Don Haas 16 Aug '05

16 Aug '05

Jim; I sent a couple of pictures directly to you and Bonnie showing how my M15 is set up. I think it is the same as Doug described below, except a slightly smaller hole for the dowel. My e-mail may have been caught by your spam filter?? if they didn't show up and you would like to see them me know and I'll try again. Don dshaas(a)sprintmail.com m15-248 > [Original Message] > From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler(a)jascopacific.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Date: 8/15/2005 3:27:25 PM > Subject: RE: M_Boats: unsticking centerboard on M15 > > > Sounds like a good solution. From what i gather the drilled hole is in the > cockpit between the CB pennant and the cabin. Is this correct?? > > Great advise > > Jim Sadler > > -----Original Message----- > From: > montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmis > sion.com]On Behalf Of Doug Kelch > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 9:41 AM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: RE: M_Boats: unsticking centerboard on M15 > > > Larry, > > The solution I used is slightly different and may not > work as well but I drilled a 5/16 th hole through the > bridge deck and through the splashboard about 1/2 inch > in front of the CB pennant. > > I then use a wooden dowel through the holes to push > down on the CB. Some times the CB has been stuck > enought that I have broken a few dowels. > > I have gotten stuck enough in the Chesapeak Bay mud > that I have had to dive under the boat and wiggle the > board from side to side frequently enough to break it > loose. > > Thanks > > Doug > M15 #310 > "Seas the Day" > > --- "Hughston, Larry" <Larry.Hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov> > wrote: > > > John, where did you drill that centerboard trunk > > hole for unjamming your CB? > > I have the M-15 and I can't imagine where the hole > > would be located unless > > it is right at the hatch step down. Thanks, > > ----Larry M-15 #189 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > > montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov(a)mailman.xmission.com > > > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmission. > > com] On Behalf Of JazzYachts(a)aol.com > > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 10:18 AM > > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: unsticking centerboard on M15 > > > > > > Without launching the boat to be sure that the board > > is going up and down > > smoothly, there's no way to tell whether the board > > is moving freely or not. > > > > I jammed my board in the trunk once by grounding on > > mud and shells. It > > stayed good and stuck and I had to abandon a sailing > > trip. > > > > Determined that it would never happen again, I > > drilled a hole in the trunk > > in the cabin and installed a $3.00 waterproof > > drainplug. If the board ever > > > > jammed again, I could remove the drainplug, drive > > the board down with a > > piece of > > aluminum rod, and screw the plug back in. > > > > John > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Hull-deck joint - original post
by krahnke＠comcast.net 16 Aug '05

16 Aug '05

I was the original poster of the question about the hull-deck joint on M17 #325. I went to check on it again today and found that the boat has been sold 30 minutes earlier for $3000. I looked briefly at the joint again, and it was pretty much as I described it originally -- a scallopy crack as far around the perimeter of the hull as I could see, below the joint bolts. I was going to offer a bit more if I had been reassured but now feel I wouldn't have wanted the boat as it was. It was otherwise quite nice though. Karl Krahnke Ft. Collins, CO

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