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Re: M_Boats: Rudder Lifting Rod
by Woodsybill＠aol.com 10 May '05

10 May '05

Pray tell, what is a rudder lifting rod? Bill K. M-17 Half Monty (#55)

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RE: M_Boats: Filling holes in transom
by Tom Smith 10 May '05

10 May '05

I've removed all the existing hardware from the unnamed M17's transom. The ladder was useless, I'm not sold on the motor mount, and the gudgeons are going to be upgraded. I've left with a few holes to fill. I have a couple half inch holes, maybe a dozen 3/8, and a few smaller ones. I would appreciate suggestions on how to fill these in preparation for repainting the topsides and new hardware installation. Is filling thickened epoxy enough? Should I go through grinding a bevel and filling with layers of glass? Chewing gum? Thanks. t Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/064--Unamed

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Rudder Lifting Rod
by TOMMYVAL＠aol.com 10 May '05

10 May '05

M Boaters, Received my replacement rod from McMasters-Carr and I ordered the 1/2 inch diameter but all their rods have a + or - tolerance so the one I received was actually about 5/8. I spoke with them and they usually send them out a little bigger because most get fabricated to the customers specific requirements. So if off to the shop tomorrow and I'll see what it will cost to have an exact match made. If anyone wants to order one you might want to consider 3/8 but of course they said that cant guarantee a perfect fit. I was hoping just to cut it and drill 2 holes but not this time. The folks at McMaster were real good about it and they will be happy to accept a return but the clock is ticking so we will see if the local folks can make it happen Gary

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New optional folding rudder option for Montgomery 17's
by Bob 09 May '05

09 May '05

We are installing an Idasailor folding rudder (3 pintle) on a new 2005 Montgomery 17 being built for a customer in Maryland. Kind of excited to see how it looks and how it sails. It is the same depth as the standard rudder and all else being equal it should perform as well. If all goes well we will offer it as an option on our new M_17s. After I get her installed I would be glad to send photos to anyone interested. Resin is now at $605 a drum....!!!!!.....OUCH! Look for a price increase. Also bought another 3200#'s of lead.....cranking away at boats... Fair winds Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227

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(no subject)
by Rick Langer 09 May '05

09 May '05

Jerry, I have had some of the same experiences as Connie, as to the tiller length being too short and the Forespar tiller extension not being a good solution. A longer tiller seems to be the solution, but one that is 55"-60" will get in the way if there's more than one person on the boat. So Connie's idea of a wooden tiller extension sounds good to me. My plan is to use stainless canoe paddle ferrules, like the ones found here; http://www.newfound.com/kayakacc.htm to attach extensions onto the tiller to get the desired length. I will use two sets of ferrules, one "female" end mounted to the tiller, the two "male" ferrule ends will be mounted to two extensions, one short and one long and the other "female" ferrule end will be mounted somewhere in the boat to hold the tiller extension which is not in use. If you redesign the M15 tiller to be longer there will be times when it wil be too long so, for me, the systems approach seems to be a much better solution. I plan to mount the ferrule around the point where one would hold the tiller, but if it were mounted further aft and had the appropriate extensions to make a short and a long tiller, you could satisfy Norm's request to remove the tiller from the rudder. As I think about it, that's probably a better place for the ferrule than where I was planning to put it. One last point, the ferrules lock into two positions so one can have paddle blades symmetrical or feathered. Depending on the shape of the extensions one could change the height of the business end of the tiller by spinning it in the ferrule. Drilling a couple of more holes in the ferrule could give a multitude of tiller heights. Rick Langer M15 #337 Hudson River

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M15 Tiller
by Richard Cottrell 08 May '05

08 May '05

Hi Jerry: A couple years ago, after some discussion on this list, I called Royce and he made an M15 Tiller for me one foot longer than the stock tiller (1984). The primary benefit has been the ability to sit one foot forward which has added much appreciated stability when going to weather without feeling awkward. The tiller and rudder still can be stored below without any difficulty. The additional lenghth hasn't hindered opening the cockpit lockers. Although I sail single-handed I don't think the additional lenghth will make it too crowded with crew. However, I wouldn't recommend adding more than a foot. I've often wondered how you determined the proper length of the tiller, in the first place. Rich Cottrell M15 # 288, "Really" "paid for two - got one"

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Fw: M_Boats: (no subject)
by jerry 08 May '05

08 May '05

Whoops- I didn't realaize that this was on the list. Now you know the "real" me. Jerry jerrymontgomery.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 1:24 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: (no subject) > You know, I'm not bad-----for an asshole! > > How the hell are you doing? > Jerry > jerrymontgomery.org > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <gilasailr(a)aol.com> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 1:51 PM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: (no subject) > > > > Jerry, You are such a thoughtfull guy, I knew there was a reason I liked > ya! > > > > gilasailr > > M-17 # 316A > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jerry <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> > > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > Sent: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:10:56 -0700 > > Subject: M_Boats: (no subject) > > > > > > I've just finished a large laminating job and have spruce and phil. > mahogany > > left over- enough to make a bunch of 15 tillers. > > > > Tom Smith was kind enough to make a tracing from his 15 tiller and send it > to > > me, which is a start. On the 15's I have set up for my use I remember > that I > > had the tiller made a little longer, like 6" or a foot, maybe, which is > what I > > intend to do, partly because I've heard some comments on this list about > the > > tillers being too short for some. Your suggestions as to the length are > > welcome. > > > > I'll probably put a bit more drop in the S bend of the tiller to get the > > busuness end a little lower for the sake of comfort. Remember that the > tiller > > can't raise up unless you want to raise the rudder also! Comments? > > > > Jerry > > jerrymontgomery.org > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >

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(no subject)
by jerry 08 May '05

08 May '05

I've just finished a large laminating job and have spruce and phil. mahogany left over- enough to make a bunch of 15 tillers. Tom Smith was kind enough to make a tracing from his 15 tiller and send it to me, which is a start. On the 15's I have set up for my use I remember that I had the tiller made a little longer, like 6" or a foot, maybe, which is what I intend to do, partly because I've heard some comments on this list about the tillers being too short for some. Your suggestions as to the length are welcome. I'll probably put a bit more drop in the S bend of the tiller to get the busuness end a little lower for the sake of comfort. Remember that the tiller can't raise up unless you want to raise the rudder also! Comments? Jerry jerrymontgomery.org

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RE: M_Boats: (no subject)
by Tom Smith 08 May '05

08 May '05

Jerry, I think adding 8 or 10 inches is good. The stock tiller hangs too low in the cockpit for my money--I'd like to see the business end land a couple of inches higher than it does now. Sign me up for a new one when they become available. BTW, Jane and I are about to become grandparents. Bitchin', eh? t Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/064--Unamed

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Re: M_Boats: - Tiller Length
by chbenneck＠juno.com 08 May '05

08 May '05

Hi Jerry, I found the tiller length on my M15 much too short (36") for my solo sailing. I installed a Forespar Tiller Extension, so that I could sit at the forward end of the cockpit, but it wasn't a good solution to the problem. Why? - the Forespar Extension made about a 120 degree angle with the tiller, when I sat forward, which made it awkward to really give the tiller a push or pull. Also trying to hold a course was iffy with that Extension angle. Next experiment: I built a wooden tiller extension which fitted over the top of the regular tiller and that angled upwards to clear my knees. Total tiller length with my wooden extension was 56". What I did was turn a pin that fit the Forespar tiller socket, to provide lateral strength. I then hollowed out the underside of the extension so that it was a form fit on the top of the tiller. The idea being to provide more lateral strength without adding side plates (my first idea). When I use the tiller extension, the pin goes in the Forespar fitting, and I use a Velcro tape, at the aft end of the extension, to hold the extension in place. Because of the taper on the extension, I can slide the Velcro tape slightly forward so that it becomes a very tight fit. So far it has worked very well, even when I seriously loaded the tiller to react to wind gusts (the longer lever arm is a big advantage) Another advantage is that the additional length makes course holding much simpler. A finger's width of movement at 56" makes for very fine course corrections. Now that I've played with this solution I have the old dilemma: I'd like the end of the tiller to be about a hand's breadth higher for better knee clearance and for a more relaxed, laid-back sailing position. But that means I have to make a new tiller, with the improvements. However, the present one solves 95% of the problem. Therefore do I or don't I make a new one to be 100% happy? Decisions, decisions! For single-handed sailing, longer is better, and my optimum is 56" total tiller length. If you just extend the regular tiller it hits your knees, therefore it has to be curved upwards. I'm still toying with the problem of being able to raise the tiller out of the way when at anchor, while having it locked and in the normal use position while underway. It involves using a hinge on the top surface of the tiller, and latches on the sides (down and locked is the fail-safe position) so that when in use you can quickly raise the rudder if need be, while being able to clear the cockpit at anchor. That's another trial for this summer. Connie M15 #400

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