May 2005 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Re: M_Boats: NEW MEMBER
by chbenneck＠juno.com 05 May '05

05 May '05

Hi Dennis, Welcome aboard. If you have questions or need advice, don't hesitate to ask. We've all been there, and are happy to help out. Connie M15 #400 Glastonbury, CT - the Right Coast!

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RE: M_Boats: Time for a new outboard for M15
by Tom Smith 05 May '05

05 May '05

I bought one of the first 4 stroke 2s in 2000. It's the clutch-less version and not too convenient from that perspective. But a great motor. Wouldn't want anything else on an M15. t Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/064--Unamed .xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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re: Attaching the jib to the thin-a-ma-jig
by Jim Desnoyers 05 May '05

05 May '05

Norm: The wire thing-a-ma-jig would appear to be a "tack pennant". This is used to raise the foot of the jib off the deck for the purposes of better aligning the air flow off the jib across the main. It also serves the purpose of allowing water to pass under the sail in rough conditions. A stout piece of line does the same job and can be easily adjusted. Jim Desnoyers Ketchum, Idaho ----------------------------Norm wrote---------------------------------- From: "nbundek" Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 14:48:10 -0700 Subject: M_Boats: Attaching the jib to the thin-a-ma-jig I've spent the past weekends sailing (learning) my M15 for the first time. I have had a blast and scared a lot fellow sailors in the confines of the harbor's slips. The fish in the outer waters were smart enough to get out of my way. I've tried the working jib and Genoa. In my reading of attaching to the bow, I've read that you get the best performance keeping the jib close to the deck. So, I did. I shackled the jib directly to the anchor roller with the attaching holes provided. However, one of holes has a wire thing-a-ma-jig about 8" long which looks like something should be attached to it. My working jib seems to low to have any effect on the main. Should the working jib be attached to the thing-a-ma-jig to raise the sail off of the deck the additional 8" or so? Any thought would be appreciated. Remember, if you see me coming, get out of my way for a while! Norm M15 #172 Ventura, CA -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.5 - Release Date: 5/4/2005

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RE: Great Salt Lake Yacht Club's Women's Weekend
by Seawitch 05 May '05

05 May '05

Subject:Just want to thank "Woodsybill" for sharing the information from the Salt Lake Trib on the great weekend program that I attended. Did not launch "Seawitch" for the weekend program but mainly wanted to get more familiar with the "heavy water" and strange weather on the lake before I venture out on my own. However, next weekend is the official Opening Day program and if the weather continues as good as it was last weekend, Seawitch will go into the water. Time for a cool change! Sandra(Seawitch #617)

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Time for a new outboard for M15
by Norm Bundek 05 May '05

05 May '05

I'm going to replace my 15 yr old Evinrude 3 hp. I've read the positive reviews on the Honda 2 hp. Anyone have any experience with the Honda pro/con? Norm M15 #172

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NEW MEMBER
by Dennis 05 May '05

05 May '05

Good Morning Montgomery enthusiasts, I am a new subscriber and would like to introduce myself. I am Dennis Detloff located in Grants Pass, Oregon. I just purchased "Dinky Boat", an M15 from Randy Graves. I feel very fortunate to have found an M15 that has been well cared for. My compliments to Randy. I pulled Dinky from northern Idaho to Grants Pass in one long day with my Toyota Tacoma pickup. Great trip no problems. I am happy to have found this site with its enthusiasm and knowledge. Dennis

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RE: M_Boats: M17 Backstay Adjuster
by RandyG 05 May '05

05 May '05

Tod, Thanks for the idea and information. Raising the split up higher on the backstay sounds like a good idea, both for the having the right angle for the backstay adjuster (the kind that pinches the two bridle wires together), and for removing/installing the tiller. Good idea! Thanks everyone for your help! In following the web links, the pictures correctly installed backstay adjusters show that you need a 1.0 to 1.5, width to height, ratio in order for the pinching backstay adjusters to work correctly. I went out and remeasured my backstay and found that I need to raise the split junction up about 13 inches. I'm readjusting my rigging order accordingly. Randy Graves M17 #410 ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-bounces+randyg=cite.nic.edu(a)mailman.xmission.com on behalf of htmills(a)bright.net Sent: Wed 5/4/2005 3:26 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: RE: M_Boats: M17 Backstay Adjuster Randy, I should've been more clear, the pics were of Miss T, John E.'s boat. Busca (my 17) doesn't have a backstay adjuster. Sorry for the confusion. BTW, when I got new standing rigging from Jerry I ordered it with the split up higher than original so that I could flip the tiller up and through it even with the rudder in the fully raised position. Made it easier to install the assembled rudder/tiller with the rudder on the trailer (sliding the rudder pin down through all the gudgeons requires the tiller to be flipped all the way up if it is on the rudder). Tod -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of RandyG Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:11 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: M17 Backstay Adjuster Tod, Ken, Thanks for the info and pictures. Tod, It looks like your bridles connect to your backstay much higher than on our 17s. Our bridle stays are 59-1/2" and connect to the backstay roughly level at the same height as the boom. Did you need to modify your backstay and bridles in order to accommodate the backstay tensioner? Thank you, Randy Graves ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-bounces+randyg=cite.nic.edu(a)mailman.xmission.com on behalf of htmills(a)bright.net Sent: Tue 5/3/2005 2:27 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: RE: M_Boats: M17 Backstay Adjuster Hi, Randy Here are some arrangements to choose from: http://www.harken.com/rigtips/back.php and here are some [not very good] pictures of Miss T's backstay adjuster. (I wasn't taking the picture to illustrate her backstay adjuster): http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-MissTbackstay1.jpg http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-MissTbackstay2.jpg http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-MissTbackstay3.jpg http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-MissTbackstay4.jpg Hope this helps, Tod (shivering back in cloudy, almost snowy, Ohio after returning from a few days in Puerto Rico where it was quite warm and sunny!) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of RandyG Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 3:08 PM To: MSOG Subject: M_Boats: M17 Backstay Adjuster Friends, I'm looking for a recommendation on a backstay adjuster for our M17. Anyone have a backstay adjuster on their 17 that they are happy with? Anyone using the kind that pinches the two short stays together to create tension? We originally were looking for an adjustable turnbuckle; some way to easily tension the stays without tools when raising and lowering the mast. In talking with Jerry he suggested we go with a backstay adjuster rather than an adjustable turnbuckle. Any help is appreciated! Thank you, Randy Graves M17 #410 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: M17 Backstay Adjuster
by Hughston, Larry 04 May '05

04 May '05

Re: Transom Ladder placement and attaching I just received a 3 step ladder for my M-15. I believe I got the wrong type of attaching gear with the ladder. It is meant for a swim platform, the attaching gear will not allow for toe space. Can someone give me some ideas on setting up this ladder on the transom of my M-15? I am open to any ideas, I can do simple fabrication in my small shop. I like the idea of polyethylene and stainless steel, materials that will outlast me. Thanks M boaters. ---Larry -----Original Message----- From: Jim Desnoyers [mailto:dizman@mtexpress.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 10:27 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: M17 Backstay Adjuster Randy, The M17 split backstay works perfectly with the Johnson Marine Split Backstay Adjuster available from a number of sources including: http://www.apsltd.com/Tree/d39000/e38517.asp Annapolis Performance Sailing carries a lot of similar small boat parts. Johnson Marine's catalog is available at http://www.csjohnson.com. As you can see from the illustrations on the site above, it can be configured in many ways but all use some form of a multipart tackle to tension the backstay. Going upwind while close-hauled, a properly tensioned backstay helps to handle jib loading on the forestay and helps to keep a tight jib from scalloping. Conversely, a loose backstay going downwind helps the sails to maintain a fuller shape. There are several methods to make a backstay adjuster but this is a neat solution and I think it is particularly appropriate where your boat does not have an existing adjuster. I used these particular adjusters on Catalina 22's when I had them years ago and they worked great. Along with the adjuster, you need some form of multipart tackle. I found a cost effective source for 4:1 multipart tackles at Blue Water Yachts in Seattle. I use them for boom vangs, backstay adjusters, mast raising etc. $69.00 complete. You still need shackles or you can use the trailer sailors friend - carabiners. Their kit does come with boom bails but you can put them in the parts box unless you find the your boat didn't have a boom vang. But that is another subject. http://www.bwyachts.com/web%20catalog%2031203/mainsail%20handling/boom_vang_ kit.htm Blue Water Yachts is actually a Macgregor dealer but lots of parts are interchangeable. Hope this helps. If you need more info, contact me directly off list. Jim Desnoyers Ketchum,. Idaho -------------------------- Randy Graves wrote -------------------------------- Friends, I'm looking for a recommendation on a backstay adjuster for our M17. Anyone have a backstay adjuster on their 17 that they are happy with? Anyone using the kind that pinches the two short stays together to create tension? We originally were looking for an adjustable turnbuckle; some way to easily tension the stays without tools when raising and lowering the mast. In talking with Jerry he suggested we go with a backstay adjuster rather than an adjustable turnbuckle. Any help is appreciated! Thank you, Randy Graves M17 #410

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RE: M_Boats: M17 Backstay Adjuster
by RandyG 04 May '05

04 May '05

Tod, Ken, Thanks for the info and pictures. Tod, It looks like your bridles connect to your backstay much higher than on our 17s. Our bridle stays are 59-1/2" and connect to the backstay roughly level at the same height as the boom. Did you need to modify your backstay and bridles in order to accommodate the backstay tensioner? Thank you, Randy Graves ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats-bounces+randyg=cite.nic.edu(a)mailman.xmission.com on behalf of htmills(a)bright.net Sent: Tue 5/3/2005 2:27 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: RE: M_Boats: M17 Backstay Adjuster Hi, Randy Here are some arrangements to choose from: http://www.harken.com/rigtips/back.php and here are some [not very good] pictures of Miss T's backstay adjuster. (I wasn't taking the picture to illustrate her backstay adjuster): http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-MissTbackstay1.jpg http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-MissTbackstay2.jpg http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-MissTbackstay3.jpg http://www.todspages.net/images/LF-MissTbackstay4.jpg Hope this helps, Tod (shivering back in cloudy, almost snowy, Ohio after returning from a few days in Puerto Rico where it was quite warm and sunny!) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of RandyG Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 3:08 PM To: MSOG Subject: M_Boats: M17 Backstay Adjuster Friends, I'm looking for a recommendation on a backstay adjuster for our M17. Anyone have a backstay adjuster on their 17 that they are happy with? Anyone using the kind that pinches the two short stays together to create tension? We originally were looking for an adjustable turnbuckle; some way to easily tension the stays without tools when raising and lowering the mast. In talking with Jerry he suggested we go with a backstay adjuster rather than an adjustable turnbuckle. Any help is appreciated! Thank you, Randy Graves M17 #410 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Info from Humminbird on using fishfinders for depth sounders on sailboats
by Norm Lane 04 May '05

04 May '05

-----Original Message----- From: cservice [mailto:cservice@johnsonoutdoors.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 08:34 To: nl(a)sagatech.com Subject: RE: Technical Question Mr. Lane, Thank you for the information supplied. The transducer must still be in an area where it is parallel with the water in order to maintain a proper bottom return signal for sonar. If the transducer does go at an angle this will cause the beam to shoot off to the side giving an inaccurate reading. Should you have any further questions, please let us know. Best Regards, Jennifer-CRC _____ From: Norm Lane [mailto:nl@sagatech.com] Sent: Tue 5/3/2005 1:43 AM To: cservice Subject: RE: Technical Question Hello Jennifer, My concern is not so much as having the transducer out of the water as having it tilted over to port or starboard, perhaps as much as 45 degrees. I noticed in the owners manual it said to be sure and install them perpendicular to the water. Unlike power boats, sailboats are rarely perpendicular to the water. Thanks, Norm Lane -----Original Message----- From: cservice [mailto:cservice@johnsonoutdoors.com] Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 13:05 To: nl(a)sagatech.com Subject: RE: Technical Question Mr. Lane, Thank you for contacting Humminbird. If the boat is at an angle where the transducer will lose contact with the water the unit will not maintain a sonar signal. It is necessary to maintain contact in order to read properly. Should you have any further questions, please let us know. Best Regards, Jennifer-CRC _____ From: nl(a)sagatech.com [mailto:nl@sagatech.com] Sent: Sat 4/30/2005 7:39 PM To: cservice Subject: Technical Question Technical Question Mr. Norm Lane 1840 41st. Ave #102-332 Capitola, CA 95010 USA 8314288520 nl(a)sagatech.com No, do not notify me of offers and products Model: I'm interested in using a fish finder on a sailboat. Can these devices return accurate data when the boat is heeled over? Thanks, Norm Lane

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