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Re: M_Boats: Any experience with Avon Inflatables?
by chbenneck＠juno.com 14 Apr '05

14 Apr '05

Hi Gary, Looking back in my shop files, I find that; P.H.Spectre Compass Rose RR Box 4988 Camden, ME 04843 supplies full size boat building patterns for the NYMPH as well as other H. H. Payson / Bolger boat designs. Pete's building patterns outline the major parts of the boat in exact size called for in the plans. No measuring; no bending battens.......... The patterns are made of heavy duty builder's paper, so all you have to do is trace the outlines on your plywood. Makes life very simple for the first time boat builder, since you are then certain that all your parts are cut to the correct sizes. I built mine using lauan plywood from Home Depot. Connie

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Re: M_Boats: Any experience with Avon Inflatables?
by chbenneck＠juno.com 14 Apr '05

14 Apr '05

Hi Gary, The person to contact is: Harold H. (Dynamite) Payson & Co. Pleasant Beach Road South Thomaston, ME 04858 Tel. (207) 594-7587 Mon-Fri ) 9 - 5 Dynamite has copies of "How To Build" (Photo copies of magazine articles) of the NYMPH, plus his other boats. The NYMPH is 7'-9" x 3'-6". Phil Bolger modified the NYMPH by adding 12" of extra width to the same basic dimensions, which make for a much higher load carrying capacity, and a more stable platform for getting in and out, without adding much more weight. The NYMPH, in the original design is a great rowing dinghy; it's light weight and easily car topped, but is a bit tender. It takes some care getting in and out; but like anything, once you know it's idiosyncrasies, the problem goes away. Ask Payson if he has the wider model drawings too. I saw them in a Bolger article in MAIB some time ago, and since Dynamite sells the NYMPH drawings, maybe he now has the modified version as well. In rereading his price list, I see that he does have both NYMPH versions listed. The second - wider model - is called the Rubens NYMPH and it's dimensions are: 7'-9" x 4'-6". Dynamite's instructions are excellent - assuming you've built something before, and have some woodworking experience. If you haven't, and this is your first project, then buy his book called "Instant Boats" where he gives you a training course in taped seam boat building. Building the NYMPH goes quite rapidly, but then figure that you will need just as much, if not even more time, for the finishing. Sanding seams; filling the cloth weave; fairing; varnishing and painting take more time than the bare wood work alone. But overall it's a real fun project and well worth the effort. Connie M15 #400

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Asymmetrical Spinnaker information needed
by nbundek 14 Apr '05

14 Apr '05

In order to make my M15 a better single handed boat, I'm having my regular spinnaker cut so it will be asymmetrical. This will eliminate the spinnaker pole. Has anyone setup an asymmetrical spinnaker? I've seen web sites showing how to connect the asymmetrical spinnaker to a roller fuller with a bead setup which allow the spinnaker to glide up and down the furler. But, I don't see any other way illustrated. One site talks about using a Genoa halyard. I suppose this means that a second halyard is added in order to support the spinnaker. The question I have is: What does the asymmetrical tack connect to? Since I'm trying to stay in the cockpit, I don't want to go forward and connect the spinnaker to the headstay. Any thoughts? Norm M15 #172

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Re: M_Boats: Any experience with Avon Inflatables?
by chbenneck＠juno.com 13 Apr '05

13 Apr '05

Hi Norm, So you know where I'm coming from let me give you a bit of my history. I had a 29 foot sailboat, and was towing a 9 foot round bottomed dinghy everywhere. My neighbor, across the street, had a 9 foot (?) Avon dinghy that he sold to me for a very reasonable price. My thought was: It can be deflated and stored down below, i.e., no more towing on long passages. However, after doing this a few times I found: Blowing it up, assembling the floor boards and deflating and disassembling it was a nuisance. It took too long a time, so eventually you quit doing it. Then you are back to towing an inflatable, that doesn't tow as well as a hard bottomed dinghy. The next problem is; there is no way you are going to row it anywhere, unless it is on a mill pond in a dead calm. The oars they supply are too short, and you are sitting on an inflated thwart, which is the same height as the side tubes. Therefore your rowing position is not optimum, to say the least. You need an outboard to get anywhere in an inflatable, but, if the outboard is cantankerous - and mine certainly was - you are back to the rowing option, upwind in a chop at 11 PM for half a mile or more............. Also they tend to be wet. So, with all that experience, I went looking for another solution. I found an ad for a low freeboard Dyer 7'-9" dinghy; bought it; and then rebuilt it. It solved the rowing problem - rowed beautifully - and I could put it on the cabin top, if need be during a passage, but, ............... with two adults and two teenagers on board there better be no waves or you are going to get very wet. After several wettings, my final answer was, a Dyer 7'-9" regular freeboard dinghy, with sailing rig and dagger board. I lived very happily with the Dyer for many years, till I sold the big boat. It towed well; it was fun to sail; and it was my early morning rowing exercise once around harbor, exchanging greetings with other early birds. So your Avon question becomes one of: how far do you think you will row it? under sheltered harbor - no wind - conditions? do you plan to deflate and inflate it with each use? (it's a chore!) Almost every user of an inflatable I used to see, went to a larger sized Avon (or equivalent) and then had a large outboard on the stern to rapidly get from A to B. With my M15, I occasionally needed a dinghy so I built a Bolger NYMPH. Does a fine job. Is a great rowing / towing machine; light weight; easily car topable; and low cost! Hope this helps your thinking. Connie M15 #400

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Re: M_Boats: Bad day on SF Bay
by Woodsybill＠aol.com 13 Apr '05

13 Apr '05

Boy, do I have to eat crow on that one. Mike is right, the boat was between south pylon and shore, actually in the surf. I clicked into the wrong ( later sequence) photos and lost perspective. And me, a native San Franciscan! From now on I'll keep my dumb comments to myself. Do I owe someone an Anchor Steam or what? Anyway, an amazing photo sequence. Thanks for keeping me honest. Bill K. M-17 Half Monty

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Added Photos
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 13 Apr '05

13 Apr '05

Hi All, Just finished adding two very nice line drawings by David Wood to the Photo Site. This time it's the M-23 and the pics are at the bottom of the page. http://www.funtigo.com/MSOG?b=215591&c=1789789&p=start Bill M-17 "Tipperary"

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launching
by bo Swartwout 13 Apr '05

13 Apr '05

Thanks for all the info. I launched the next day at a ramp and had no problem. Much of my sailing experience has been in Baja where, out of necessity, I have had to launch across the beach, sans a ramp! I have done this with Potters. Easier to do as they don't have a keel to deal with. But, after sailing the Montgomery , I will take the keeled boat every time. She sailed fantastic and felt like a much larger boat. I am very happy with her. Bo

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Re: M_Boats: Tiller Lock Box
by chbenneck＠juno.com 12 Apr '05

12 Apr '05

Hi Rick, Tiller Lock Box. As I recall - and the boat is still under it's winter cover so I can't check easily - I drilled a drain hole in the bottom of the TLB for water drainage. I wouldn't bother with a second TLB on the starboard side, because if I ever wanted to heave to I could tie off the tiller using a bit of line............ Works just as well and is the cheaper, less labor intensive solution. Connie

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Re: M_Boats: Small Boat Journal
by Saltm17＠aol.com 12 Apr '05

12 Apr '05

Bill, I take you up on your offer at $72 if you haven't already sold them. John Edwards 2011 Curtis Drive, North Augusta, SC 29841 Thanks John

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Tiller Lock Box
by Rick Langer 11 Apr '05

11 Apr '05

I just installed a Forespar Tiller Lock Box on my boat and I have a couple of questions for anyone who has use one or two. My TLB is on the port side so I can lock the tiller anywhere from amidship to hard to port, on the port side, but from amidship to only slightly to starboard on the starboard side. This limited starboard position is caused by the length of the tiller extention. Well I'm thinking I should put another TLB on the starboard side so I can lock the tiller hard to starboard. I haven't thought of all the reasons I should do this, but one is so I can heave-to on either tack. So is another TLB worth the expense and effort? Also, these TLBs, installed with the locking position down, look like they will be water collectors. Has anyone drilled drain holes or done anything to abate the water collection. Thanks, Rick Langer M15 #337

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