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Sailing in Croatia
by Craig F. Honshell 06 Apr '05

06 Apr '05

Did you say you'd sailed Croatia, Connie? --Craig _________________ http://www.fleming-williams.co.uk/Sailing%20Images/sailing%20pages/Sailing%… or . . . http://tinyurl.com/4byt2

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What's to be learned
by Sandyal55＠aol.com 06 Apr '05

06 Apr '05

That Santana was in a place where he was not suppose to be. You don't pass the bridge between the pillars and the shore. The shoals break the waves over. He also didn't have an engine which might have been able to get him out of trouble if he used it in time.

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Re: M_Boats: Re: Any experience with Avon Inflatables?
by chbenneck＠juno.com 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

Hi Scott, What I had was the AVON Redcrest. I also had an Evinrude 2 HP outboard, with the cylinder / plug / and high tension wire hanging out in the breeze (or salt spray). It took me a long time to find out what my "real" outboard problem was: the continuous stopping and then refusing to run. Like everything, it's easy to understand when you know the answer. What happened was that with a loaded dinghy, the stern burble from using the outboard was enough to splatter water (sea water) in all directions. Sea water on the high tension wire does an excellent job of grounding the plug. No spark, no outboard running; back to rowing......... The center tube / thwart, was the same height as the side tubes, so your rowing position was far from optimum. The AVON oars were also more of an afterthought than they were real oars. Maybe if I had gone to longer - proper - oars, it would have worked better. But as you put it so well, everything is a compromise............ The inflatable dinghy doesn't make noise hitting the hull at night, as a hard dinghy does. ...........but I was ferrying four people to shore; but it sounds as if in your case it is just your wife and you. Different specs.: different operational areas..... As you say, give both a try. Connie

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Re: M_Boats: Bad day on SF Bay
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

It looks like he broached and rolled, the typical disaster with following breaking waves. That may also explain the apparent "jibe"; the rapid change in direction threw the boom over. He doesn't seem to realize the danger present. He'd probably still have his boat (minus mast!) if he'd had the hatch closed. Steve Tyree P-15 In a message dated 4/5/2005 11:09:04 AM Central Standard Time, farreach(a)optonline.net writes: When I sent my last post, I hadn't read the latest digest. If you look at the first picture, he appears to be very close to the shore, note the submerged rocks and those in the extreme forground. I think he was oblivious to the danger especially sailing all out downwind. Maybe from his view, sitting in the cockpit, he couldn't see the waves breaking in front of him or the one coming up behind him. It seems to me that, at the point of the first picture, if he were to sheet in, then tack and head out, he could have avoided the disaster. Even if the waves broke over his bow at least he'd be heading in the right direction (easy for me to say). Sometime between Pic #4 and #5 his main jibbed, which makes me think he still didn't know he was in trouble or maybe at that point he was just not in control. Rick Langer

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South Tower
by Richard Cottrell 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

The pictures appears to have been taken from Fort Point. At low tide the water can be very shallow between the south tower and Fort Point. Sailors use this route to catch the eddys when the current in the main channel are going the opposite direction. During the mid 60's I crewed on a Cal 40 "Kumu" on the Ocean series and Bay races. On one particular race the skipper of, I believe Montgomery Street, another Cal 40 decided to take the route between the south tower and Fort Point to catch the eddys. The keel hit a rock and the skipper flew forward into the cabin, losing his front teeth. It does appear to be a Santana 22. I used to sail my Cal 20 through the same slot during MORCA races, but never at low tide or with that kind of surf. Rich Cottrell "Really"

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Bad day on SF Bay
by Rick Langer 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

When I sent my last post, I hadn't read the latest digest. If you look at the first picture, he appears to be very close to the shore, note the submerged rocks and those in the extreme forground. I think he was oblivious to the danger especially sailing all out downwind. Maybe from his view, sitting in the cockpit, he couldn't see the waves breaking in front of him or the one coming up behind him. It seems to me that, at the point of the first picture, if he were to sheet in, then tack and head out, he could have avoided the disaster. Even if the waves broke over his bow at least he'd be heading in the right direction (easy for me to say). Sometime between Pic #4 and #5 his main jibbed, which makes me think he still didn't know he was in trouble or maybe at that point he was just not in control. Rick Langer

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Bad day on SF Bay
by Rick Langer 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

Thanks for that link Doug. That ought to get us to act our age. What was that fellow thinking? He seemed to have plenty of water to leeward and was on that shore either by choice or ignorance. Maybe he wanted to get a better view of the surfers. I'd like to hear his version of events. I noticed there was no motor on the boat. A motor can be more a safety item than just a convenience. The slide show is very dramatic. First you think, "Hey that guy's gonna get wet", then the wave breaks and the boat disappears. Then it reappears, "No mast, No nothing". A couple of more rolls and just as you think, "It's amazing what you can do to a boat and it still floats", down she goes. Those last shots of the bow pointing towards heaven are very sad. Rick Langer M15 #337 >From the placid Hudson > Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 19:32:59 -0700 (PDT) > From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Bad day on SF Bay > To: Montgomery <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <20050405023259.74045.qmail(a)web30205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > > > Hi, guys. > > > > A friend of mine just sent this link to pictures of > > how not to try to sail under the Golden Gate Bridge > > from the Latitude 38 website. > > > > The message is ready to be sent with the following > > file or link > > attachments: > > > > Shortcut to: > > http://sfsurvey.com/photos/sail/index.htm > > > > If the shortcut does not work, just copy it and > > paste > > it in the URL line on your browser. > > Doug Kelch

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Re: M_Boats: Bad day on SF Bay
by Woodsybill＠aol.com 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

No way, the water is deep, real deep, between the bridge pylons. Evidently a roque wave and unsuspecting crew. Remarkable photo sequence. Bill K M-17 Half Monty

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RE: M_Boats: Bad day on SF Bay
by William Emerson 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

I've been meaning to pack closed-cell foam under the bow hatch (under the foot of the V-rack)and back under the cockpit -- now I think I'll actually get around to doing it. I'm sure the skipper is happy to be alive, but in hindsight I bet he's wondering he didn't hitch a line to the bow of that Santana for salvage. I mean, you could of tossed it to shore and dragged the thing far enough to get his personal stuff out. Wm E M-15 "Karen Michelle" Peoria, AZ -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+williame=peoriaaz.com(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+williame=peoriaaz.com@mailman.xmission. com] On Behalf Of JazzYachts(a)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 7:17 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bad day on SF Bay Truly terrifying, and humbling. The sequence shows crew members being rescued. Was everyone okay? Rich, the production manager here at CLC, once lived on a Montgomery 15 for four months at Sausalito. (Yes, I said LIVED. He's hardcore.) He describes being knocked down and completely swamped in his M-15 once on SF Bay. I always wondered how you could get knocked down and swamped in an M-15, and those photos show one way! Cheers, John _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Bad day on SF Bay
by JazzYachts＠aol.com 05 Apr '05

05 Apr '05

Truly terrifying, and humbling. The sequence shows crew members being rescued. Was everyone okay? Rich, the production manager here at CLC, once lived on a Montgomery 15 for four months at Sausalito. (Yes, I said LIVED. He's hardcore.) He describes being knocked down and completely swamped in his M-15 once on SF Bay. I always wondered how you could get knocked down and swamped in an M-15, and those photos show one way! Cheers, John

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