March 2005 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

A plea regarding political and/or personal opinions
by Wilsometer＠aol.com 19 Mar '05

19 Mar '05

Hello All, I have been a member of this list almost since its inception, and I have to say that I am troubled by the political exchange of recent days. My primary concern is that such discussions, while arguably very important in the proper context, will have a chilling effect on our group as a whole. My guess is that the demographics of this list will likely mirror somewhat those of the country at large--a near 50/50 partisan split. With ever increasing enmity and polarization in society, we need ask if these trends are what we want to see manifest in a group focused on the common admiration and enjoyment of our small sailboats. Furthermore, I think it is important to ponder the potential effects of publicly characterizing a list member--or by extension/affiliation--a group of list members. While for some, glib one liners or snippy pejorative titles might fall into the category of playful bantering, others (myself included) might be deeply sensitive to/offended by the same. I can offer one personal example of how this might in turn affect our otherwise amicable exchange: I was considering the upcoming San Juan/Gulf Island rendezvous when a particular posting (offensive to me) arrived in my mail box. I asked myself honestly what I would do if the sender were to be a participant in this rendezvous. The honest answer was that I would avoid him, and probably not be warmly receptive to any of his further input. This would be a shame, really, as I have enjoyed the information and stories shared by this individual over the years, and I am sure that we could find considerable common ground outside of politics. Am I too sensitive? Maybe, but I suspect there are more than a few on this list who would react similarly. So, while it perhaps bucks the current tendencies of our society and partisan politics, I would make a plea that we preserve this list as a sanctuary for our beloved pastime of our boats and sailing. I don't in any way mean to suggest that political discourse is irrelevant. Those on this list who know me well are amply aware that I have my own pronounced political and/or personal passions. Nor am I at all unsympathetic to wanting to find the reinforcement and validation of politically like-minded individuals. I would only ask that, for purposes of harmony, we focus on that of which we are truly like-minded--the world of M-Boats and sailing in general. I believe it is incumbent upon all of us to extend individuals the same respect in cyberspace as we would in person. Doing so would serve our list well. Thank you for your consideration, Scott Grometer M15 #478 Flicka #392

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Re: M_Boats: Catalina Sail...
by bobjudy2＠comcast.net 18 Mar '05

18 Mar '05

OK. On the message board he states that he shut down the link and hopes to have it up by the weekend. I will check out the details later. B.. > In a message dated 3/18/2005 7:38:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, > bobjudy2(a)comcast.net writes: > I am interested in the Catalina trip. I can't seem to connect with the > So-Cal Potters link to the Catalina trip, > Hi Bob' > I'm not sure if you made it to the So-Cal site or just not to the trip link. > So-Cal Potters can be found at << http://www.howies.net/socalpotter/ >> then, > the best place to go is the message board. You'll see there was a bit of > confusion over the dates, so Capt. Howie shut down the new trip link. Also > mentioning that to see what it is like to go to the 2004 trip and see the photos > of > last year. > Lets see, there's Fuh-Shing Pan, Bob Becker, Norm Bundek (he'll make it) and > myself. That's four Montys along with what may be 15 or more Potter > Boats.We're outnumbered... badly... come on M-Boaters, lets go to Catalina. > Promise I > wont post any really bad pictures (fingers crossed). > Promises to be a fun summer > Bill > "Tipperary" > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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right on
by Roberta Dvorscak 18 Mar '05

18 Mar '05

Well spoken, Scott. Falls into the category of wisdom, if you ask me. I, for one, am really hoping that you will make the San Juan Rendezvous and hereby volunteer to stand between you and the offending party (I have fairly thick skin as well as poor hearing). Mark Dvorscak M23 #74 Faith -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+edarts93=earthlink.net(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+edarts93=earthlink.net@mailman.xmission .com] On Behalf Of Wilsometer(a)aol.com Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 3:52 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: A plea regarding political and/or personal opinions Hello All, I have been a member of this list almost since its inception, and I have to say that I am troubled by the political exchange of recent days. My primary concern is that such discussions, while arguably very important in the proper context, will have a chilling effect on our group as a whole. My guess is that the demographics of this list will likely mirror somewhat those of the country at large--a near 50/50 partisan split. With ever increasing enmity and polarization in society, we need ask if these trends are what we want to see manifest in a group focused on the common admiration and enjoyment of our small sailboats. Furthermore, I think it is important to ponder the potential effects of publicly characterizing a list member--or by extension/affiliation--a group of list members. While for some, glib one liners or snippy pejorative titles might fall into the category of playful bantering, others (myself included) might be deeply sensitive to/offended by the same. I can offer one personal example of how this might in turn affect our otherwise amicable exchange: I was considering the upcoming San Juan/Gulf Island rendezvous when a particular posting (offensive to me) arrived in my mail box. I asked myself honestly what I would do if the sender were to be a participant in this rendezvous. The honest answer was that I would avoid him, and probably not be warmly receptive to any of his further input. This would be a shame, really, as I have enjoyed the information and stories shared by this individual over the years, and I am sure that we could find considerable common ground outside of politics. Am I too sensitive? Maybe, but I suspect there are more than a few on this list who would react similarly. So, while it perhaps bucks the current tendencies of our society and partisan politics, I would make a plea that we preserve this list as a sanctuary for our beloved pastime of our boats and sailing. I don't in any way mean to suggest that political discourse is irrelevant. Those on this list who know me well are amply aware that I have my own pronounced political and/or personal passions. Nor am I at all unsympathetic to wanting to find the reinforcement and validation of politically like-minded individuals. I would only ask that, for purposes of harmony, we focus on that of which we are truly like-minded--the world of M-Boats and sailing in general. I believe it is incumbent upon all of us to extend individuals the same respect in cyberspace as we would in person. Doing so would serve our list well. Thank you for your consideration, Scott Grometer M15 #478 Flicka #392

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Re: M_Boats: Catalina Sail...
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 18 Mar '05

18 Mar '05

In a message dated 3/18/2005 7:38:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, bobjudy2(a)comcast.net writes: I am interested in the Catalina trip. I can't seem to connect with the So-Cal Potters link to the Catalina trip, Hi Bob' I'm not sure if you made it to the So-Cal site or just not to the trip link. So-Cal Potters can be found at << http://www.howies.net/socalpotter/ >> then, the best place to go is the message board. You'll see there was a bit of confusion over the dates, so Capt. Howie shut down the new trip link. Also mentioning that to see what it is like to go to the 2004 trip and see the photos of last year. Lets see, there's Fuh-Shing Pan, Bob Becker, Norm Bundek (he'll make it) and myself. That's four Montys along with what may be 15 or more Potter Boats.We're outnumbered... badly... come on M-Boaters, lets go to Catalina. Promise I wont post any really bad pictures (fingers crossed). Promises to be a fun summer Bill "Tipperary"

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Sailing Yarns
by Mark Escovedo 18 Mar '05

18 Mar '05

Connie, Thank You very much for the Highly educational Dinghy/Drogue sailing Yarn. There is much to be learned from such stories, specially the ones with happy endings. Again thanks for answering my plea. Fair Winds Mark Escovedo M17 Flush deck #103 "AMY" formerly "Chunky Dory"

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Re: M_Boats: Catalina Sail...
by bobjudy2＠comcast.net 18 Mar '05

18 Mar '05

Hi Bill, I am interested in the Catalina trip. I can't seem to connect with the So-Cal Potters link to the Catalina trip, so perhaps you could pass the word. BTW, what ever happened to plans for a trip to Santa Cruz Island in the Channel Islands? That sounds like fun. Bob M15 #208 > Okay, back to sailing...Attn: Norm Bundek, Mark Escovedo & Bill Sylvester and > anyone else interested... > The So-Cal Potters are doing their annual Catalina Island trip see web site > at... http://www.howies.net/socalpotter/ > last year there was one M-Boat > along which belongs to Fuh-Shing Pan. Fuh-Shing is planning on attending this > year as well. > Here's what I know so far. I've used their message board (So-Cal Potters) and > I've been invited to join them. I have not asked if I may invite others, but > it appears, all are welcome. If we do generate interest, I'll be more than > happy to contact Captain Howie (putting the trip together) to see if we may all > tag along. > Luckily the trip dates do not conflict with my other plans to visit the San > Juan Islands with Larry Yake and group. The dates for Catalina are: Depart Long > Beach "Alamitos Bay" 6AM, Wednesday June 22nd. And arrive back on Saturday > June 25th. > Here's a quote from Stu Rea, a participant from last years trip... "I have > the June Catalina Sail penciled out on my calendar also. Didn't know what to > expect when I joined the group last June. Had a great time and laughed my ass > off > over the 4 days. Like going to Summer Camp in your late 50's with the other > kids who never grew up. Upgraded my retarded dingy this time around though. > Captain Howie and that digital camera are an ever present threat". > The dates are on my calendar and I do plan to go. Anyone else interested? > Bill > M-17 #496 "Tipperary" > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: A plea regarding political and/or personal opinions
by bownez＠juno.com 18 Mar '05

18 Mar '05

Well spoken Scott! I look forward to meeting you in the San Juans. Bones ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!

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Re: M_Boats: Regarding Catalina Island trip.
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 18 Mar '05

18 Mar '05

Scott Grometer for President! .....oops..... Steve Tyree

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Re: M_Boats: Web Site Forward
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 18 Mar '05

18 Mar '05

In a message dated 3/18/2005 5:23:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, sparsons(a)canby.com writes: We just bought a new CDory 22, There is an old tale about the C-Dory that says if you run out of fuel, she'll turn around and automatically head back in. So, let us know... okay. What a beautiful example of a boat with utility. Congratulations on your new boat. Bill M-17 "Tipperary"

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Web Site Forward
by RandyG 18 Mar '05

18 Mar '05

Friends, My brother (former sailor now power boater/cruiser) forwarded me this web link http://www.geocities.com/bill_fiero/ . The link is to a web site hosted by Bill and El Fiero who have spent the last 5 years trailer-cruising the US. Bill and El are power boats. Their web site hosts trip logs of interesting cruising grounds all around the US. It looks like some interesting and enjoyable reading and a good reference to future cruising locations. Randy Graves M17 #410 M15 #407

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