December 2005 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Re: M_Boats: Howdy to Dave
by LUDLOWD2＠aol.com 10 Dec '05

10 Dec '05

Dave: Welcome aboard. I sail M-15 # 620 (Sweet Dream) out of Mobile, Al. I don't think you can find a better sail boat for two folks than an M-15, particularly if you plan to trailer sail it. The M-15 sets up very fast (we need to have a competition someday before I get much older) and is very easy to trail and launch. Add to that speed and seaworthyness and you've got a great little boat (Ignore the tourists who want to stop you at the ramp and talk about the boat) Don Ludlow

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Thanks Steve
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 10 Dec '05

10 Dec '05

Thanks Steve, I've checked out Jeffs website. Looks like he found a real jewel when he picked up Solitude. Just FYI, I've added a couple more pages to the www.havasumontgomerys.funtigo.com website showing our 23 inside and out and also the trailer that Pacific trailers made for us. If anybody out there is considering replacing their original Monty trailer, I'd recommend these guys highly. The built us an awesome trailer that tows great, in the time frame they promised, and for the agreed upon price. I wouldn't say it was a cheap trailer but I'm a firm believer that you get what you pay for. They were also flexible with the design and allowed us to make a change or two to fit our particular needs and wants. They are located in Chino, Ca and we dealt with Larry. These are the folks that are making the trailers for the new Montgomery Boats as well as W.D. Schock and many others.

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RE: M_Boats: Montgomery Maine cruise story
by Hughston, Larry 08 Dec '05

08 Dec '05

Wow, What great cruise photos, Thanks Doug. ----Larry -M-15 hull # 189 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmission. com] On Behalf Of Doug Kelch Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 4:03 PM To: Montgomery Subject: M_Boats: Montgomery Maine cruise story My new web site with the Maine cruise story is towards the end of this email. My funtigo site seems to plagued with problems and they don't seem to want address the issue. I have loaded close to 100 Maine photos on the site but it will not let you see more than the first 6. My other topics on Funtigo are also not functional for no known reason. All of the above is the reason it has taken so long to share any of the details of the Maine cruise. I now have a new web site and the only useful thing on it at the moment is the Maine cruise story. I use Cox cable as my ISP - they give one site, 10mb of free web space per email account and with each customer they will let you have up to 7 email accounts. They limit the traffic per web site to 300Mb per month per Web site. In order to make this work reasonably well I have actually put up 4 websites and distributed the Maine story over the 4 sites. Hopefully this will be invisible to you as the primary website and all of the secondary websites have links to all 4 parts of the Maine story but "home" may take you to one of the secondary sites. Each site has 20 - 40 pictures on 1 page so this is definitly not a dial up site - broadband only. Anyway come and take a look at a great cruise - the site is: http://members.cox.net/dkelch/ You will find the links to the Maine story on the left. I hope you enjoy it. If you have any problems let me know via doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com. If one of the 4 segments stops working mid month it may be because I have exceed the 300mb transfer limit. Thanks Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL - Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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re: 23 swingkeel
by Steve R. 08 Dec '05

08 Dec '05

If the new M23 owners are not aware of it, Jeff Grudin has a web site with some pictures of his boat: http://vdbs.com/~grudin/ I do not know if Jeff is still on the list. steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY

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Re: M_Boats: Bolger Nymph
by chbenneck＠juno.com 08 Dec '05

08 Dec '05

Hi John, Maybe the negative comments about the NYMPH's rowing characteristics have to do with it's tracking. I found that problem originally in mine too, when I was rowing by myself, but if you know what causes it (not enough skeg in the water - or weight too far forward in the NYMPH) then the solution is easy. Either: Add material to the skeg so that it is deeper (adding another 2" at the transom should be about right), and with skeg in the water, it tracks beautifully. Or, throw the case of beer in the stern and not in the middle of the boat. Then the stern sits lower in the water; the skeg does it's job to keep the NYMPH tracking properly, and everyone is happy. Or reset the oarlocks further aft to move your weight aft. The aim is to keep the skeg in the water so that it can do it's job of keeping the NYMPH tracking properly. Any of these solutions work. The beer case in the stern is the easiest, but since I like to row by myself, and don't carry a case of beer every time I go rowing, I had to go the physical modification route, and increase the depth of the skeg. Connie

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Re: M_Boats: Bolger Nymph
by JazzYachts＠aol.com 08 Dec '05

08 Dec '05

I had a Bolger Nymph for awhile. The same features that made it effortless to row and tow---a narrow waterline----also made it tender. You had to be careful getting in and out. Once you were settled down on the seat it was as good a rowing tender as you could imagine. Bolger specified a 59-square-foot sail for it, which gives you a sail area/displacement ratio that rivals an International 14. I can't imagine staying upright for long. Relatively few Nymphs are rigged for sail. Bolger later acknowledged the tender's tenderness and drew up a new one, "Reuben's Nymph," that was simply six inches wider, give or take. Those are supposed to have the qualities of the original with none of the vices. ALERT! ALERT! SHAMELESS PLUG! My Eastport Pram design----about 750 built---is 48" wide and pretty easy to build. _http://www.clcboats.com/boats/eastportpram_photos.php/_ (http://www.clcboats.com/boats/eastportpram_photos.php/) Cheers, John

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Re: M_Boats: Bolger Nymph
by chbenneck＠juno.com 08 Dec '05

08 Dec '05

Hi Gary, I haven't weighed my NYMPH, but Rick's numbers seem about right. My wife and I could easily lift it and put it on the roof rack of the car. The bottom and sides of mine are covered with fiberglass too. If anyone is interested in a NYMPH, mine is available, in as new condition; red hull, white boot top, and blue bottom (anti fouling). The interior is varnished. It also has an official British Board of Trade "Plimsoll" mark on both sides, so that you can see that the vessel is not overloaded. Two adults, a case of beer, and a supply of food will bring it down to the Plimsoll line. A pair of elegant, lightened, and bright finished oars, as well as bronze oarlocks are included, as is my skate board wheel transom dolly, so that you can easily move it from parking lot to launch ramp, wheelbarrow style, without scuffing paint. It operates equally well in tractor or pusher configuration. It was built by a professional (me), and represents the 4th stitch and glue boat I have built, along with a bunch of model sailboats, rubber band powered submarines, and a 30 foot gaff rigged cutter, built in '46 / '47. I want an arm and a leg for it - obviously - but if the leg is shapely enough, I might be willing to settle for just the leg. Remember, this would make someone a fine, unexpected, and surprising Christmas present, in which case the big red Christmas bow will be supplied by the builder. Connie

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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 34, Issue 5
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 08 Dec '05

08 Dec '05

After reading Joels post Re: the "Ida Sailor Rudder" post that I wrote on here I'd like to offer him an apollogy. If the rudder that fractured on the Santana showed signs of serious grounding, obviously, that probably played some part its failure. I sail regulalry with the guy who broke it and upon relaying the story to me of the failure there was never any mention of this. I was told that the factory told him that the plastic used was not UV stable, that caused the break, and that had been corrected. I was under the impression that he had purchased his blade from Ida Sailor directly. I stand corrected on that. With respect to their warranty. I believe I did mention that Ida Sailor did honor the warranty. Let me add now that only the highest grade could be given to Ida Sailor for that. They honored the warranty, did so promptly, and it doesn't even sound like the warranty had to be honored based on his description of their terms of warranty. Cudos to them for excellent customer service. The comments I made re: performance I'll have to stick with. Although the the owners of the other Santanas seem to be very happy with them and indicate that they feel they are receiving superior perfomance to windward, the results on the water don't seem to be indicating this to me. This is not to say or imply that there is any detrimental effect of the blade. However, I am running the stock blade and consistently am able to point as well or better in formal racing. Sometimes I beat them sometimes they beat me. Obviously, there are hundreds of variables there, rig tuning, sail condition and selection, trim, sailing ability etc any of which could account for a boats ability or inability to point. But nobody (here in Havasu anyways) is walking away from the fleet since changing blades. Thanksgiving weekend we had a big race in 20-30knots of wind. The three Santana's with the Ida Sailor blades were out there and had no problems. I'd say that was a pretty good test of the blades durability and they did fine. Two races I finished ahead of them with my stock blade, two races I was beaten by 1 or 2 of them. If I had to replace my blade due to it getting damaged I would certainly consider an Ida Sailor blade especially after seeing there customer service with respect to the warranty. I just wouldn't purchase one for the sake of increasing the boats performance. They sound like a first class company with a good product. There prices are more than fair. Obvioulsy, the Montgomery Sailors on this site have been very happy with there products. So, please..If my post sounded like an attack on Ida Sailor, let me just say that I was just passing along the facts as I knew them and believed them to be true trying to give an honest evaluation of what I've seen. Again, my appologies to Ida Sailor and Joel for any mis-understanding. Sean

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Bolger Nymph
by Rick Langer 08 Dec '05

08 Dec '05

Gary, I don't know what the Nymph weighs. I checked Dynamite's book, but there's no mention. It's only two pieces of 1/4" plywood, including the bow and transom. I would guess 50-55 pounds. Mine is a bit heavy because of scantlings and a full cover of glass on the outside. Maybe Connie will chime in on the weight. Rick Langer M15 #337 Bluebird > Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 14:30:30 -0800 > From: Gary M Hyde <gmhyde1(a)mac.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bolger Nymph > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <8EBB2BCA-B34B-4B66-9FFE-8327BCAAC08A(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Rick: > About how much does the Nymph weigh? > Thanks. > > Gary Hyde > M17 #637 'Hydeaway 2' > M15 #235 'Vanilla'

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RE: M_Boats: Tips for removing sealants/adhevisves
by Tom Smith 07 Dec '05

07 Dec '05

Anybody found an effective yet environmentally benign way to remove sealants this side of 5200? t /)) Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/496--Unnamed

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