December 2005 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

RE: M_Boats: Tips for removing sealants/adhevisves
by Tom Smith 07 Dec '05

07 Dec '05

Thanks Doug. I'll look for this product... t /)) Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/496--Unnamed

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Re: M_Boats: Monty Pics
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 07 Dec '05

07 Dec '05

Sean, I'm the same way when it comes to computers. Part of the problem is I'm closing in on 60 and the learning curve is a bit slower than I wish it to be. I opted for the pay route on my Funtigo site and that was about 14 months ago. The contract was for a year and they haven't rebilled. I was hopeing they would so I could tell them NO. Doug Kelch went about 8 months or longer with his free site. Let me know if I can help Bill

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Monty Pics
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 07 Dec '05

07 Dec '05

Bill, Thanks for the input! It's obvious that you have put in a lot of time learning the ins and outs of the Funtigo process. Unfortunately, I on the other hand am barely computer literate and bumble my way around the internet with my two index fingers!! I dont think we are gonna do anything permanent with Funtigo. I just had a bunch of people asking me for pics of what we're doing with our new baby, so I thought it would just be easier to post them as long as its free to do so...I think you get like 60 days or so for free. Then we'll go back to obscurity, hahaha. I haven't sent you a cd of pics yet 'cause I was plannning on taking a new round of pics after the buff out job and bottom job. Well, now it appears that the bottom/blister job is gonna take longer than expected. I will burn a cd for you for the pics I have and try to get them out to you today. Pop me an email with your address if you will. I think i may have mispalced it and not sure I can retrieve the email which you sent it to me in. I'm excited to see your new site! Thanks for the offer for assistance. I'll email you that info. Sean

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Re: M_Boats: Monty pics
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 07 Dec '05

07 Dec '05

In a message dated 12/7/2005 8:59:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nebwest2(a)aol.com writes: Inspired by Bills site....and by no means trying to compete with it!!! Bills site is awesome! And Bill replies... "You aint seen nothing yet" I'm getting very close to a real web site. _www.msogphotosite.com_ (http://www.msogphotosite.com) (doesn't work yet). It should be available as a Christmas present to all that have sent photos and of course those who haven't as well. As Doug Kelch and I have realized, the Funtigo folks aren't to great to deal with. They are here in San Francisco and at one point I asked them if I could come down and help them get it together. I didn't get a reply? Here is a couple of things I found that made Funtigo better. Use standard fonts. I used Times New Roman almost exclusively. And after experimenting I found the pretty backgrounds, although attractive, do not help the viewer ( so I picked one solid color and used it throughout). And, if you would like to send me your log in information for the Funtigo site (off list to _Billamicasr(a)aol.com_ (mailto:Billamicasr@aol.com) ), I can fix a couple of things for you real quick on your new site. Bill

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RE: M_Boats: IdaSailor response to rudder concerns
by Tom Smith 07 Dec '05

07 Dec '05

I passed information to Joel Santarone, the manager of IdaSailor Marine. I thought he'd like to pitch into this conversation regarding his product. Below is his detailed response to the original message from the Santana sailor: Tom, thanks for referencing the email from nebwest2(a)aol.com below, I've not heard from him before. The Santana 23 blade that he is referring to did in fact break, we replaced it under "warranty". Here is what happened, however: We got a call from a Santana 23 customer about a broken rudder. Naturally we were concerned and immediately put a new one into production to replace it. Upon investigation, it turns out the caller didn't actually buy it from us, he bought it used from another owner in Canada who had sold his Santana 23, but kept his IdaSailor rudder so that he could resell it later (our rudders are somewhat coveted by the Santana 23 crowd and they are expensive) This is important for three reasons; First, the rudder appeared to have been severely grounded by the original owner, causing damage that turned into a classic notching failure upon post mortem inspection. Second, our lifetime warranty (which we are very proud of) applies to the original owner, not every single owner who will ever possess the rudder or the boat it steers, on and on into eternity. Finally, the rudder was not six months old, six months is how long the second owner had sailed with it before it broke. It did show evidence of UV damage as it was one of the very earliest Santana rudders we designed and built, before we started having our hdpe rudder sheet stock custom made for us by Polymer Industries. Our current hdpe product is all the highest grade virgin hdpe resin with a UV inhibitor added. It is made specifically and exclusively for IdaSailor Marine for use in building rudder blades. Here's the great part: I replaced this Santana 23 blade under warranty even when we didn't have to, including shipping, which cost IdaSailor several hundred dollars, yet the way the story is told below, IdaSailor builds inferior parts that break in heavy winds. No mention of a grounding that would have shattered the original fiberglass rudder, no mention of the above and beyond customer service we delivered by replacing it immediately when we didn't need to. I love it. Let me tell you about our rudder failures. We have a historic rudder failure rate of around .6% (6/1000 rudders) right now. You can break anything in heavy enough conditions and events can conspire to destroy whatever we could possibly build. Blocks, rigging, spinnaker poles, mast sections, lifelines, anything can fail. Sailing is an inherently dangerous sport during which things sometimes break. You should also know that in addition to our hdpe rudders, we build a lot of rudders out of carbon fiber/epoxy, solid mahogany, etc. and we've had a tremendously strong carbon fiber rudder destroyed by the shock loads experienced when a 30 foot sailboat is racing along while reaching under spinnaker and suddenly broaches at 16 knots. It happens. We enjoy a great reputation for building affordable high performance rudders. We also enjoy a great reputation for standing behind our product, but we can only get that reputation after things break. We have had products fail just like any other company that builds sailboat parts, we replace them immediately and cheerfully when it happens. We ask that the broken part be returned to us and we examine it carefully for engineering or material problems. We have changed a couple of our processes and designs as a result of things learned from broken parts. Now, specifically about the Montgomery 15 and 17 rudders, I would like to say this: They are very over-engineered. Period. The M15 and M17 do not weigh enough and are not fast enough to begin to approach the loads required to cause our rudder to fail in even very heavy weather conditions. This statement is not a hurricane challenge, of course, and it assumes that the rudder blade is fully down while sailing and that the rudder has not experienced severe or repeated severe groundings, etc. One other function of the heavy chord sectional thickness of the blade itself is that you will not observe measurable deflection of the blade tip while under sail even at significant angles of boat heel. If the boat weighed a lot more, or carried a lot more sail, or any number of factors that could load the blade to two or three times what is currently exhibited by the M15 and 17, you may see some deflection of the blade tip laterally and/or torsionally, but assuming water temperatures under 100 degrees F and speeds under 10 knots, it still would not be noticable to the helmsman (helmsperson?). Hopefully that will satisfy the engineers in your midst, although I doubt it. Thanks for indulging my ramble, please feel free to share the above message with the Montgomery discussion group. I've asked to join, but am still waiting for approval and it may be faster if you post it. Thanks again for the link, much appreciated. -Joel Joel Santarone General Manager IdaSailor Marine Inc. www.idasailor.com Tom Smith Next IT 509-242-0767 ext. 1035

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easy movable out board
by Mike 06 Dec '05

06 Dec '05

does anyone know of the name of the outboard mount that slides up and down, I saw it only once. It keeps the motor close to the hull instead of keeping it further back where it harder to reach. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Yahoo! Personals

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Rower's Collection
by Rick Langer 06 Dec '05

06 Dec '05

Hey Tod, I'm working on a "Beach Pea" by Doug Hylan this winter. It should be completed by next season, unless someone lures me out for a winter cruise. It turns out that Vaun Worm, the fellow we met at Benjamin River and who took me for gas, built one. He also built that beautiful Coquina, the Herreshoff 18 ft Cat-Ketch daysailer. I thought Coquina was a little much for me being my first glued lapskate plywood boat. You can check out Beach Pea here; http://www.dhylanboats.com/index2.html Rick Langer M15 #337 Bluebird

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RE: M_Boats: Swing keel advice??
by Hughston, Larry 06 Dec '05

06 Dec '05

Rick, I await any images. Thanks, Larry -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmission. com] On Behalf Of Rmceagrella(a)aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 11:55 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Swing keel advice?? Will do Larry. I've ground the non-skid off with 80 grit belt sander removed all old paint and sanded all at 120 grit. At this point I have turned it over to a local boat shop for spraying a white gel coat to be followed by a colored nonskid gel coat. I'll try to post a few pictures. Rick _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Bolger Nymph
by chbenneck＠juno.com 06 Dec '05

06 Dec '05

Hi gang, Can only second Ricks comments. The NYMPH is a great dinghy for the M15 / M17 and rows beautifully. I'd recommend it to anyone who needs a nice, well behaved dinghy, that is a joy to row. Connie

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Bolger Nymph
by Rick Langer 06 Dec '05

06 Dec '05

Bill, Tod is correct, it's a Nymph, built from Dynamite Payson's book "Instant Boats". I'd recommend it to anyone who wants a light, well mannered dink with good volume. It uses (2) sheets of plywood and goes together quickly. Connie also built a nice one. Rick > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:52:14 -0500 > From: <htmills(a)bright.net> > Subject: RE: M_Boats: Sailing Maine Islands > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <002c01c5fa18$76ded000$ee9ddb42@HTM031103> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Bill, > > No, that's Rick's Bolger Nymph (right, Rick?) > > Tod > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com] On > Behalf Of Bill Tosh > Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:48 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sailing Maine Islands > > > Hey Tod,,,,,is that a Sherpa you are rowing ? Designed by John Welsford ? T > C Boats.com B & L Associated Industries Bill Tosh Rt 1 Box 118-B Rusk TX. > 75785 903-743-5555 http://www.tcboats.com >

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