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Re: M_Boats: Tow vehicles...
by David Thomason 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

4x4 is nice. I haven't tried it yet, but I believe you could launch from the beach. Sand is very much worse than snow. A 2WD truck just can't be resold in Michigan for very good reasons: they're almost impossible to drive in the winter. Without the lockig diff, you've got a 1x1. That was about $450 on the Chevy, does that match what you've been looking at? >>> BILLAMICASR(a)aol.com 08/27/04 01:35AM >>> Locking Differential is mandatory. Saves me from having to go 4X4. And yes it's available... Bill _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Tow vehicles...
by David Thomason 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

Hey, maybe it's my driving style, but I got 23.5 mpg in my full-size Chevy Z71 on a recent trip from Lansing to Marquette (about 390 miles). My wife drove back, and got about 21 mpg (good driver, lead foot). Overall, since buying it, 18.9 mpg, which includes a whole bunch of city driving (and some towing of my little boat :-). This is with the small (???) V8 290hp, 330 ft. lbs. of torque. It would light the tires, but there is a built-in torque limiter, so a quick chirp is all that it'll do (I really am too old for that anyway!). I'm way on the high-side with these figures, but it's also about equal to my '67 Bug. At $2 per, it makes a difference. By the way, I have a '96 Chevy Lumina sedan, and get about 31 mpg out of it on the highway, so part of this IS my driving style, the engineers in Detroit (OK, Warren) have done a great job, it makes the Bug look like a gas guzzler. Friends of mine with the F150 talk about 14-15 mpg, perhaps I got lucky? Twice??? >>> BILLAMICASR(a)aol.com 08/26/04 10:18PM >>> Hi All, You all will get sick of this before I select something to tow my M-17 with. It's either keep the Honda Civic and add a second vehicle dedicated to tow or get a new truck that will get decent mileage and still tow the M-17. Now I'm considering a 150 HP, 4 cyl, Toyota Tacoma Prerunner. In 2002 I bought a new Tacoma 4X4, V-6, 5 speed and was dissapointed in that I got a rotten 16 to 17 MPG overall and a whopping 18 - 19 on the freeway. And that's after adding TRD exhaust & Filtron sock air cleaner. Anyway, I've had tremendous reliability with other Toyota trucks and am wondering if anyone out there has any real word experience with the Prerunner 4 cyl.. They are of course 2 wheel drive, available with automatic only and have a factory rebate (cool). I dont have to tow fast, the posted trailer rating is 3500 Pounds so that's adequate. I'm, as always, concerned with mileage. Not so much when towing but with general use. Any experience with one yourself or maybe with a friends? Thanks for the input Bill SF Bay M-17 #496 "Tiperary" P.s. An unusual SF day today. Crystal clear, 75 degrees, nice westerly wind, lots of sailboats with multi color spinakers flying, on the bay. One of my deliveries was to the North side of the City in the hills overlooking the bay. As I'm working, the cable cars are dropping off tourists who are feverently clicking away at the beauty of the SF Bay area. Today was a day that if Tiperary was here I'd be taking tomorrow off. I was awe struck and I live here... Then reality hit with the next delivery. I had to back up Elizabeth Street about three blocks. Elizabeth is the fourth steepest in the city. On the turns I was puckering a bit. Cement mixer trucks are a bit top heavy... Just a bit! I always tell my friends I've never yet found out how far one can lean before it tips over... and that's a good thing... Hope I never find out! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Tow vehicles...
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

Locking Differential is mandatory. Saves me from having to go 4X4. And yes it's available... Bill

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Re: M_Boats: Tow vehicles...
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

Can you get that Toyota with a limited slip rear end? On Steep ramps, it could make a big difference. Steve Tyree, P-15 In a message dated 8/26/2004 9:26:34 PM Central Daylight Time, BILLAMICASR(a)aol.com writes: Hi All, You all will get sick of this before I select something to tow my M-17 with. It's either keep the Honda Civic and add a second vehicle dedicated to tow or get a new truck that will get decent mileage and still tow the M-17. Now I'm considering a 150 HP, 4 cyl, Toyota Tacoma Prerunner. In 2002 I bought a new Tacoma 4X4, V-6, 5 speed and was dissapointed in that I got a rotten 16 to 17 MPG overall and a whopping 18 - 19 on the freeway. And that's after adding TRD exhaust & Filtron sock air cleaner. Anyway, I've had tremendous reliability with other Toyota trucks and am wondering if anyone out there has any real word experience with the Prerunner 4 cyl.. They are of course 2 wheel drive, available with automatic only and have a factory rebate (cool). I dont have to tow fast, the posted trailer rating is 3500 Pounds so that's adequate. I'm, as always, concerned with mileage. Not so much when towing but with general use. Any experience with one yourself or maybe with a friends? Thanks for the input Bill SF Bay M-17 #496 "Tiperary"

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Depth/Fish Finder For M15
by Peter Deffenbacher 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

Hello all! I would like to know if anyone with an M15 has ever used a Depth/Fish Finder on their boat. I am leaning to the Fishin' Buddy 2255 by Bottom Line because it is removable. I don't want to drill a hole in the Hull. Anyone can email off line it they would like. I also would like to hear more sailing adventure stories too if you have them. I don't have too many myself yet! Thanks, Peter Peanut M15 618 "Its better to have feet then no shoes" It's raining here quite heavy!

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RE: M_Boats: Doug's remote steering rig
by Hughston, Larry 26 Aug '04

26 Aug '04

Doug, where is the video clip of the M-17? -----#189 -----Original Message----- From: Doug Kelch [mailto:doug_kelch@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 7:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Doug's remote steering rig Don, I have installed two horn cleats on the outside coaming on both sides of the cockpit. They are located on a line perpendicular to the tiller near the end of the tiller.( short tiller and long tiller). I also have a few bullet blocks with rope tails for rigging remote steering and sheet to tiller steering (or even complicated anchorage retrieval systems:)) The remote steering is merely a line through at least 3 bullet blocks and tied to the tiller with a pair of adjustable knots. Taughtline hitches work well here. Two of the bullet blocks go on the horn cleats on the coamings and the location of the third block depends on where you want to steer from. If you want to stand in the cabin which is very comfortable and fast I tie the third one to the mast. If you want to lay on the foredeck with your feet on the bow pulpit you route the steering line up to the bow through a block tied to the bow pulpit. You want to use the largest line you can fit through the blocks to make it easier to hold but you also want minimum stretch. It takes some getting used to. Mentally it is like the difference between wheel steering and tiller steering. I have flown a spinnaker while single handed my old AMF 2100 while steering from the fore deck and handling the pole. ( You have to be quick and stand on the steering line to hold the course. I wouldn't recommend it for the faint of heart :) I remember one beautiful downwind sail approaching the Wye river with John Edward (M17 MissT) in the lead using his autopilot while he was laying on the bow. He was pulling away so I rigged my remote steering up to the bow laid down on the deck and my speed picked up enough to stay with him. >From this trip I have some short video of what looks like an M17 sailing along with no skipper! Try it you will like it!. Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" --- LUDLOWD2(a)aol.com wrote: > Doug > Someone posted a shot of Seas close-hauled on the > TSBB which showed some kind > of self steering rig, lines and pulleys, so the boat > can be steered from the > companionway. How about a comment on what you did > and how it works. > Don > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Late Model centerboard question
by Mark Escovedo 25 Aug '04

25 Aug '04

Hey all you owners of late model M17s. What are your centerboards made of? What is the difference in the board profile of a new centerboard compared to the old cast iron center boards. Does anyone have a picture of a late model board? I would like to see the differences. you can send a jpg. to me directly at marinermanm17(a)msn.com<mailto:marinermanm17@msn.com> Thanks Mark Escovedo M17 F/D #103

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Re: M_Boats: Depth/Fish Finder For M15
by LUDLOWD2＠aol.com 25 Aug '04

25 Aug '04

Clarence Where did you mount the transducer? I understand that you need a location where the water flows past with no turbulence or air bubbles. The keel seems to be in the way in the center of the boat and forward is difficult to get at because of the sole liner around the portapotti in the M15. I thought of dropping a pipe off the stern from the motor mount but then I have to run the cable all the way forward. Its a delimma! Curently I use a knotted line with a weight. Don M15 # 620

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Re: M_Boats: Depth/Fish Finder For M15
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 25 Aug '04

25 Aug '04

Just a note on transducers, Most of them shoot their signal in a 20 degree cone configuration (imagine an ice cream sugar cone upside down). Meaning that's why one can get away with mounting the transducer somewhat close to the keel. This also means with a 20 degree cone angle, the bottom area read will be larger as the depth increases. Not so important to the Sailor, but critical to think about if you're actually after fish. The fish you see coming into view at 10 feet may be under or astern of the boat while the ones at 50 feet may be ahead of the bow. Also to think about is where the transducer is mounted, towards the bow may be more prudent for the sailor as the items comeing into view will be shown sooner. >From my experience, there isn't much point in a depth sounder to keep you off the rocks as you are sailing. Reason being the cone angle and the fact that your moving toward your target to avoid, and if you're healing the reading will be a falso one as the cone will be pointing away from the structures under the boat. If we were sailing in a larger craft, we would probably opt for a forward reading sonar. The signal is sent out forward to do an efficient job of spotting coral heads and rock outcroppings (read expensive). Also from experience, I'll never be without a depth sounder for the reason Howard mentioned to get an idea of bottom structure for anchoring and for spotting schools of fish. Bill SF Bay M-17 #496 "Tiperary"

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Re: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 18, Issue 38
by chbenneck＠juno.com 24 Aug '04

24 Aug '04

Hi Rick, I use open oarlocks, but round ones with leathers and buttons on the oars seem to be the optimum solution. The oarlocks can't get lost - they are always attached to the oar. I never liked the idea of a pin going through an oar. It may be great for rental rowboats on a Central Park lake, but, I want my oars as light as I can make them, and I want to be able to feather them Why move excess weight around on each stroke? I usually buy spruce oars, and then take them down into my shop and thin them down: loom, handle (which is usually far too big in diameter for comfortable rowing: - if tennis rackets come in handle sizes why not oars?), and blades. I want them as light as possible, and then I don't use them as boulder levers, or for pole vaulting. I protect the blade ends with some fiberglass cloth or tape, and epoxy to prevent splitting. A hole through the loom at the oarlock weakens the loom at the point of maximum bending stress. Probably OK if you are using heavy ash oars, or oars made of 2 x 4s, but not with my 'skinny' oars. The same reasoning precludes using tacks to hold the leathers in place - tacks make holes - holes weaken the loom. I fit my leathers with the leather wet; then when the leather has dried again, I glue the leather in place using wood glue (I'm not rowing in the rain very often............) so it hold up very well. Also put neats foot oil on the leathers: it protects and preserves the leather and lubricates the leather as well. No squeak; no friction............ As for building another dinghy: I built Bolger's Car Topper and that rowed beautifully, but it is about 10' - 6" long. Bolger also has a new version of the NYMPH - with about 12 inches added to the middle to make it more stable and a bigger load carrier. Everything is the same as in the original NYMPH, just the bottom panel is now wider (as are the frames; bow and transom) Connie

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