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Re: M_Boats: More about the 4-stroke
by Harvey Wilson 15 Jul '04

15 Jul '04

Hi Connie.. >>On second thought, I shut off the fuel valve on my HONDA mower at the end of the mowing season, and just let the engine run until it runs the carburetor dry. It's always surprising to see just how long it will run on what's in the carburetor bowl<< My 'Gulls run about a minute on the fuel in the bowl..a bit longer for the 3hp...less for the 5hp >>Your Seagulls are starting and running on the fuel in the carburetor fuel bowl. When that is used up, they quit.<< I run the fuel out of the bowl at sailing day's end. When I start out, I usually check the fuel, and add a bit if it's got less then a quart. Then I open the fuel tap and fill the bowl. The air in the tank is enough to allow the carb bowl to fill, and even run for 5-6 minutes before it'll quit. Happened once, at the start of the season last year <GG> Harvey/Ga M-17 Stargazer #294

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Re: M_Boats: More about the 4-stroke
by Harvey Wilson 15 Jul '04

15 Jul '04

>>My small motor expert gave me a tip (he works on Mowers, chain saws and all manner of thing) Just put a few drops of Auto Transmission oil in the gas tank before putting the motor or small motor tool away for the winter.<< Interesting thought..guess it'll work for 2 cycle engines and add a bit more protection to them. I bought a fogging spray to winterize the Evinrude that came with Stargazer. I don't do much to winterize my Seagulls, since I use synthetic oil in the gas, and run them at least monthly. I've never had any starting problems with my 'Gulls in the 7 years that I've had them. No "right way" to store them, just empty the gas tank before putting them in the car...a good idea for any engine. They're noisy and smoky, even with the 25-1 mix, altho the 50-1 mix for the 3hp isn't too bad. I've got a "new" Kingfisher 5hp to replace the old EFNRL-90. Still takes 25-1 mix, but it runs quieter. Harvey/Ga M-17 Stargazer #294

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Re: M_Boats: More about the 4-stroke
by Randy Watkins 15 Jul '04

15 Jul '04

Hello Gilbert, I have the 2.5 Yamaha 4S and so far so good. It starts up on the first pull and runs a long time on a tank of gas. The one draw back to the F6 might be the weight. The catalog says 81 lbs. It's a two cylinder job, so no doubt a smooth running machine. Sorry about your motor loss. My commuter bike, which was a riden daily, was stolen outof my car last year so I know a little how you feel. Regards, Randy W. M15 Becca Anne >>> gilbert(a)mindgame.com 07/14/04 10:55 PM >>> Man all this talk of motors. I have a 4 hp mariner that I have had since my 22' pearson. I bought it used 5years ago and have done the regular maintenance, I have stripped it and put it back together and was totally comfortable w/ its operations. A couple of weeks ago I was preparing for a haul-out and put the motor on a stand in my backyard. Well I'll be darned if some lowlife SOB stole both my Mariner and a new (to me) johnson 6 seahorse that I had been salivating to try on my M17, from my backyard. I am still livid this has caused a domino effect since I no longer have a motor, I am stalled on my haul-out and I watch longinly at the other boats in the water. Just makes me mad to think of the time, effort, and money you put into something just to have another subhuman take advantage. Pant, pant...... there I vented................So go out and buy transom locks ( had one) and use them!! I got lazy and paid the price... PS Since I am now in need of a new(to me) motor I have been following the threads on 4-stroke and read the comparison on the MSOG site pretty informative. I had called some of the local dealers and found a brand new yamah BF6 2003 model for a little over $1k that seemed pretty inexpensive compared to the Hondas has anyone tried one of these? Gilbert 1976 M17 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: Re: Honda 2 HP 4S
by Hughston, Larry 15 Jul '04

15 Jul '04

I just got in line waiting start making mistakes. LH. Hull#189, M-15 -----Original Message----- From: chbenneck(a)juno.com [mailto:chbenneck@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 9:19 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: Honda 2 HP 4S Hi Peter, My HONDA 2 HP doesn't burn any oil, so I don't have to add any during the season. My Honda lawn mower is the same, so I guess, I just accept total reliability.............. Then you hardly have to check oil level with the amount of engine running I do in a season. As for mistakes: Join the crowd. We've all been there and done that! Later it's called "experience"! Had anchors drag? Yep! Run aground? Yep! Had engine quit? Yep! Dropped parts overboard? Yep! Got dinghy painter wrapped around the propeller? Yep! Read tide tables wrong? Yep! (but my excuse was they were in French............) Been out in miserable deteriorating weather? Yep! That's the fun of sailing. Yes you make mistakes, but with each mistake you learn and become a more proficient and expert sailor. Have fun! That's what it's all about! Connie M15 #400 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: More about the 4-stroke
by chbenneck＠juno.com 15 Jul '04

15 Jul '04

Hi Gilbert, Sorry to hear about your outboard loss. You are so right: have an outboard lock and use it! Give Giles Morris a jingle on the web site. He still has a 5 HP HONDA that he would like to sell. Connie M15 #400

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Re: M_Boats: Re: Honda 2 HP 4S
by chbenneck＠juno.com 15 Jul '04

15 Jul '04

Hi Peter, My HONDA 2 HP doesn't burn any oil, so I don't have to add any during the season. My Honda lawn mower is the same, so I guess, I just accept total reliability.............. Then you hardly have to check oil level with the amount of engine running I do in a season. As for mistakes: Join the crowd. We've all been there and done that! Later it's called "experience"! Had anchors drag? Yep! Run aground? Yep! Had engine quit? Yep! Dropped parts overboard? Yep! Got dinghy painter wrapped around the propeller? Yep! Read tide tables wrong? Yep! (but my excuse was they were in French............) Been out in miserable deteriorating weather? Yep! That's the fun of sailing. Yes you make mistakes, but with each mistake you learn and become a more proficient and expert sailor. Have fun! That's what it's all about! Connie M15 #400

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Re: Honda 2 HP 4S
by Peter Deffenbacher 15 Jul '04

15 Jul '04

Just another comment and question to add to this huge thread. I agree with Sandra that the oil viewing port on the motor doesn't work very well because the first thing I did after reading her post was to check mine with a flashlight. I've checked it before also. My motor is mounted upright in my garage but it is really hard to tell the correct level viewing through the port window. The oil is so clean that it is almost clear. Has anyone tried using a synthetic oil that has the red color added to it to make it easier to see? Or is there something that one could add to the normal oil to color it? Engine/Motor experts please let us know. I have learned so much from this BB and look forward everyday to reading the daily posts. The people here on the BB are just just great! Maybe someday I will share some of my really stupid mistakes that I have made (when I get over the embarrassment). It seems we all have the stories. Thanks everyone, Peter Peanut M15 #618

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Re: M_Boats: More about the 4-stroke
by chbenneck＠juno.com 14 Jul '04

14 Jul '04

Harvey, On second thought, I shut off the fuel valve on my HONDA mower at the end of the mowing season, and just let the engine run until it runs the carburetor dry. It's always surprising to see just how long it will run on what's in the carburetor bowl If no air can get in the fuel tank to allow fuel to flow to the carburetor bowl, the same thing happens. The engine will run on the fuel available in the carburetor, but then die.............. Your Seagulls are starting and running on the fuel in the carburetor fuel bowl. When that is used up, they quit. Connie

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RE: M_Boats: More about the 4-stroke
by bobjudy2＠comcast.net 14 Jul '04

14 Jul '04

I have found that I can make every mistake imaginable, one being to screw the gas cap on my Honda 2hp 4stroke crooked, usually when refueling at sea. It feels secure but leaks badly when laid on its side for the ride home. Now I take special care to get it right. Bob 1982 M15 #208 > Another idiosyncrasy the Honda exhibits related to the air vent is it'll clog up > on it's own over a season with misc. gunk, spider webs, etc. etc. I've had mine > choke to a stop motoring and had to loosen the cap to get where I'm going. The > vent is easily dismantled and cleaned. t > > > Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle > M15--345 Chukar > M17--064 Unnamed > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: Photos of M-15 #120 at Catalina
by Fuh-Shing Pan 14 Jul '04

14 Jul '04

Bill, The package measures 12"W x 24"L x 18"H and weights about 45lb. Fuh-Shing, M15 >From: "William B. Riker" <wriker(a)mindspring.com> >Reply-To: For and about Montgomery >Sailboats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >To: "'For and about Montgomery >Sailboats'"<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: RE: M_Boats: Photos of M-15 #120 at Catalina >Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:49:06 -0400 > >Fu-Shing, > >Thanks for the info. Three minutes with a hand pump is certainly >reasonable. >How large/heavy is the deflated package? > >Thanks, >Bill R. > >-----Original Message----- >From: montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com(a)mailman.xmission.com >[mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com] >On Behalf Of Fuh-Shing Pan >Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:04 AM >To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: RE: M_Boats: Photos of M-15 #120 at Catalina > >Hi, Bill, >I choose Stearns inflatable for her portability, speed, and stability (wife >can't swim). >To inflate, I use double action hand pump that cut down pumping time by >half. It takes about three to five minutes to pump. It is considered done >when the kayak become firm to the touch. Stearns kayak needs some forcible >air pressure to achieve the required firmness so that she can track almost >like a hard-shell. Battery operated pump (too weak) or air compressor (to >strong) are both not recommended. The finished size is: >One-person kayak measures: 37" x 116". >Two-person kayak measures: 43-1/2" x 140". >Like you said, this kayak is also good for marsh, creek, or cave >exploration, wild life/bird watching, and things of that sort. I think my >wife enjoys the kayak as much as, if not more, our M-15 boat. > >Fair wind, > >Fuh-Shing Pan, M-15 #120, at Glendora/ Los Angeles > > > >From: "William B. Riker" <wriker(a)mindspring.com> > >Reply-To: For and about Montgomery > >Sailboats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >To: "'For and about Montgomery > >Sailboats'"<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >Subject: RE: M_Boats: Photos of M-15 #120 at Catalina > >Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 18:04:34 -0400 > > > >Hi Fu-Shing, > > > >The Stearns inflatable in an intriguing alternative. A couple of > >questions. > >How do you inflate it? Battery powered pump? How large and heavy is the > >deflated package? > > > >I can't say I've ever really needed a dingy to get ashore, but know it >will > >happen some day. It would be great for exploring marshy areas, creeks, > >etc. > >I have been interested in having a hard kayak, but don't want to tow one > >and > >sure can't store one on deck. > > > >Most of my cruising is done with other M-boaters on the Chesapeake. We > >usually raft together and pile onto someone's M15 for the ride to dinner. > > > >Thanks, > >Bill Riker > >M15 - #184 > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com(a)mailman.xmission.com > >[mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com >] > >On Behalf Of Fuh-Shing Pan > >Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 12:53 PM > >To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > >Subject: RE: M_Boats: Photos of M-15 #120 at Catalina > > > >Hi, Randy, > >Glad that you enjoyed my humble writing on the three-day trip to >Catalina. > >We had a total of four(4) inflatables put in but only two remained in > >service. The other two were pulled out by their owner due to their > >deficiency. Captain Howie's Sea Hawk III and my Stearns Inflatable Kayak > >remained in service for the entire stay in Catalina. The Stearns kayak > >tracks pretty good with decent speed, enev under windy condition, and is > >very hard to tip over. It stores in a carry bag which, while under way, >was > >kept in the cabin near the bow to counter balance the outboard. I was >able > >to inflate it in the cockpit by placing it abeam with two paddles > >underneath > > > >for initial support. The one I have is a two-seater kayak so that my wife > >can also enjoy it. When paddle solo, the front seat service as additional > >storage. It might be a little pricy, but it is worth every penny. I found > >the best price on internet: > >http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/horizontal-item.jhtml?i >d > >=0013156013584a&navAction=jump&navCount=0&indexId=&podId=0013156&catalogCod >e > >=OE&parentId=&parentType=&rid=&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fcatalog%2F >i > >tem-link.jhtml.1_A&_DAV=search& > > > > > > >From: RandyG <RandyG(a)cite.nic.edu> > > >Reply-To: For and about Montgomery > > >Sailboats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > ><montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > >Subject: RE: M_Boats: Photos of M-15 #120 at Catalina > > >Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2004 16:39:31 -0700 > > > > > >Fuh-Shing Pan, > > > > > >Enjoyed reading about your Catalina sail. What inflatable did you and > >your > > >group find worked best? It sounds like you all carried your inflatable > > >deflated and then inflated them when you arrived. I am curious to know > >what > > > > >inflatable worked well. I have a great inflatable dinghy but it is too > >big > > >to reasonably stow inside my M-15. And creates too much of a drag to >tow > >it > > > > >behind. > > > > > >Randy > > >M-15 # 407 > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Fuh-Shing Pan > > >Sent: Fri 7/9/2004 2:04 PM > > >To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > >Subject: RE: M_Boats: Photos of M-15 #120 at Catalina > > > > > > > > >Sorry, Steve, > > >I did not get your message until this morning. I was out of town for > > >several days. > > >Yes, I am on the list and lurking around for a year or so trying to >soak > >up > > > > >as much information as I can from all good salty sailors of Montgomery > > >boat. > > >I searched but failed to find any active Montgomery group in so. Ca. I > > >joined S. California Potter's Group in May so that I can learn from its > > >old-salt sailors and beef up my confidence. This Potter group has an > >active > > > > >yearly schedule that includes day-sailing and couple of coastal > >adventures > > >to outlying islands. I tagged along Potter's June adventure to Catalina > > >Island to self-test my sailing skill outside the protective Long Beach > > >Harbor for the 1st time and to check if I would get sea sick on a long > > >trip. Both tests, to my surprise, went along quick smoothly. Following >is > > >some recap of the Catalina trip. > > > > > >Trip day one: Launched and departed at the Alamitos Bay/ Long Beach at > > >6:00am. Except the father/son team from Utah, we were all > >single-handling. > > >We motored half way to Catalina and motor-sailed the rest of the trip. > >Due > > >to balky motor that plagued some of the skippers (total nine boats > > >participated) for the whole trip and steady head wind during the second > > >half of the trip, this trip not only took 2 hours longer than the > >expected > > >6 hours passage but also forced a change of destination. Instead of the > > >targeted Catalina Harbor on the south side of the island, all but two >of > >us > > > > >headed for the Two Harbor/ Isthmus Cove on the north side. Other than >the > > >mishap of the motors, the outward trip was uneventful until we came > >across > > >a huge tanker in the shipping lane unmercifully claiming her right of > >way. > > >The wake waves generated by the long-gone tanker were quite a shocker >to > >a > > >novice sailor like me. The approaching wake wave looked more like a >small > > >tsunami with sporadic breaking white cap on top. Every Potter skippers > > >changed their course and headed into the wave at a slight angle. I > >followed > > > > >suit and, while crossing the wave crest, felt my M-15 airborne for more > > >than a split second and landed with a big solid splash behind the wave. > > >What a thrill! After mooring at Two Harbor, everyone brought out their > > >inflatable dingy/kayak and went on shore for a hearty sunset barbecue. > > >Speaking about inflatable, do not waste your money on those cheap toys. > > >Some of us learned a good lesson from using them. > > > > > >Trip day two: we had a lunch gathering and exchanged ideas/experiences > >and > > >other heated issues on our living planet. After the lunch, I walked > >across > > >the narrow flat land connecting Catalina Harbor/Two Harbor to see the > >other > > > > >side that I had never seen. The scenery are quite nice especially when >I > > >reached the higher land overlooking the entire harbor and the Pacific > > >ocean. I finished the rest of the day enjoying kayaking, swimming, > >on-shore > > > > >shower, and on-boat cooked noodle. I slept the second night with > >continuous > > > > >dreaming of a gentle rock-n-roll. > > > > > >Trip day three: After breakfast, I paddle ashore to deflate my kayak >and > > >summoned a water taxi to take me back to M-15. We departed around >9:30am. > > >One of our potter-15 failed to get motor running and was towed by a > >fellow > > >potter-19. Again, we motored-sailed halfway and then quit motor and > > >wind-wind all the way back to Alamitos by 4:00pm. On the way, I try to > >rig > > >main/jib sheet for autopilot without success. During some point, I even > > >experienced an accidental jibe that surely shook me up. > > > > > >To summarize: the trip was successful and very much enjoyable. Distance > > >traveled was 36 miles to and 31 miles from, according to GPS. Peak wind > > >speed was estimated between 10-15 knots. No worry necessary for the >ebb > > >and flow of tide. For anyone interested in our Catalina trip, a slide > >show > > > > >was made available by our beloved Captain Howie at > > >http://www.howies.net/socalpotter/ and click on the "past event/ > >Catalina > > >June 2004" > > > > > >Fair wind > > >Fuh-Shing Pan M-15 #120 > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Steve R. <stever(a)mail.saabnet.com> > > >>Reply-To: stever(a)mail.saabnet.com, For and about Montgomery > > >>Sailboats<montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > >>To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > >>Subject: M_Boats: Photos of M-15 #120 at Catalina > > >>Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:31:58 -0700 (PDT) > > >> > > >>There are some nice photos of Fuh-Shing on the Catalina Island cruise > >with > > > > >>the SoCal P-boats: > > >> > > >>http://howies.net/socalpotter/catlina22004/03.htm > > >>http://howies.net/socalpotter/catlina22004/10.htm > > >>http://howies.net/socalpotter/catlina22004/17.htm > > >>http://howies.net/socalpotter/catlina22004/19.htm > > >>http://howies.net/socalpotter/catlina22004/32.htm > > >> > > >>Is Fuh-Shing on the list? If so, could you give us a trip recap? > > >> > > >>Thanks, > > >> > > >>steve > > >> > > >>Steve R. > > >>M-15 #119 > > >>Lexington, KY > > >> > > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! > > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > >_______________________________________________ > > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Is your PC infected? 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