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RE: M_Boats: Bilge
by Hughston, Larry 25 Jun '04

25 Jun '04

Thanks, I am a first timer so any adivice is welcom. ---LH -----Original Message----- From: Bob [mailto:Bobeeg@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 2:57 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bilge Hi Larry What you call the shoal cavity is really the 'Bilge' on the boat. It is hard to get too, but people have told me that they keep a large sponge in it to soak up water and keep debri out. Fair winds Bob Hughston, Larry wrote: >Thanks for the tip. If one were to get creative what would be the best >way to keep debris and water out of the shoal cavity in the first >place? ----Larry Hull #189 > >-----Original Message----- >From: Stanley Winarski [mailto:winarski@cox.net] >Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:30 AM >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats >Subject: Re: M_Boats: boom tent > > >Larry, > >Water that gets into that shoal keel cavity gets real stagnant after a >while. It takes a bit of contorting to get in there with a sponge but >when you see what you get out of it you'll be glad you went to the >trouble. > >When I first got my boat (new) I took water into the hull through a >flaw in that glass layup. I patched it with a fiberglass patch and its >been good ever since. > >I still get water into the cabin from heavy rains puddling on the sole >and seeping under the companionway board. Regularly cleaning the >accumulated dirt that collects between the wood and the fiberglass at >the sill and drilling a few holes in the wood has helped keep some of >the rain water out but that hasn't totally solved the problem. > >Stan >M-15, #177, Carol II > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: boom tent
by Hughston, Larry 25 Jun '04

25 Jun '04

Thanks for the tip. If one were to get creative what would be the best way to keep debris and water out of the shoal cavity in the first place? ----Larry Hull #189 -----Original Message----- From: Stanley Winarski [mailto:winarski@cox.net] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:30 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: boom tent Larry, Water that gets into that shoal keel cavity gets real stagnant after a while. It takes a bit of contorting to get in there with a sponge but when you see what you get out of it you'll be glad you went to the trouble. When I first got my boat (new) I took water into the hull through a flaw in that glass layup. I patched it with a fiberglass patch and its been good ever since. I still get water into the cabin from heavy rains puddling on the sole and seeping under the companionway board. Regularly cleaning the accumulated dirt that collects between the wood and the fiberglass at the sill and drilling a few holes in the wood has helped keep some of the rain water out but that hasn't totally solved the problem. Stan M-15, #177, Carol II _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: List mail problem
by Hughston, Larry 25 Jun '04

25 Jun '04

The same thing is happening here at my office. I would guess that worm or virus had been placed into the system a few days ago...... ----LH -----Original Message----- From: Rik Sandberg [mailto:sanderico@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 1:36 PM To: Montgomery list Subject: M_Boats: List mail problem To all on the Monty list, When I reply to any of the list emails lately, I get a reply from a mailer daemon that my message was not deliverable. This comes every time I reply to a message from the list. _________________________________________ Delivery Failure Report. The following message was incorrectly addressed. Recipient: "john" is unrecognised. Please contact "admin(a)clcboats.com" for further assistance _________________________________________ My message still makes it to the list OK, but I get a message back from this mailer daemon like there was another address cc'd in or something. I can't find any other address but the montgomery list address in the headers. Anybody else have this problem?? Or know how to fix it?? Rik _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: boom tent
by Hughston, Larry 25 Jun '04

25 Jun '04

Thanks Stan, that answers my question to Rik. ----LH -----Hull # 189 -----Original Message----- From: Rik Sandberg [mailto:sanderico@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 1:13 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: boom tent Stan, Thanks. Didn't realize that wasn't closed up. I'll check it out. Hmmmm....bet that is hard to get at. Rik At 02:58 PM 6/25/2004, you wrote: >Rik, > >The "well" is inside the cabin behind the fiberglass trunk through >which >the pennant passes. The floor is not a solid sheet but contains a formed >cavity in the hull (guessing 4 inches wide and about 12 inches fore & aft >and about 10 inches deep. It creates a hollow within the keel behind the >centerboard housing. The steel shot is imbedded on both sides of the >centerboard housing but the space aft of that is hollow. Knock on the >keel and you will hear the difference. > >Stan > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: boom tent
by Hughston, Larry 25 Jun '04

25 Jun '04

I found an even easier solution for covering the boat (temporarily). I bought 2 tarps ($14.00 both tarps in one package) at CostCo. Blue on one side, silver on the other, about 12' x 16'. I got them before pickup up the boat (M-15, hull # 189, 1981) in Ridgecrest, CA. When I got the boat home the damn things fit perfectly over the mast bow to stern. Total cost with 8, bungies 3 feet in length, $30.00. Past the word and Fair Winds All. ---Larry H. Ps.......... What happens to water that gets into the cabin and goes into the shoal keel space? Why is my shoal keel open and visible from the cabin portapotty position? Where is the ballast? Is it steel or lead shot? -----Original Message----- From: htmills(a)bright.net [mailto:htmills@bright.net] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 3:40 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: RE: M_Boats: boom tent Hi, Larry I would recommend finding a local canvas shop that you can actually take the boat to....that way you'll be assured of perfect fit since there are a lot of measurements involved. My boom tent was not that complex. I don't know offhand of any web pages. A search on "boat canvas" should turn up something. Tod -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Hughston, Larry Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 4:00 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: RE: M_Boats: boom tent Nice job, good idea. Tod, I am looking for the best storage cover for an M-15 I will soon have, I hope. This would be for storage outside in all weather as I can not keep it at home. Do you know of websites where I might start looking for such an item? Damn the cost.......Thanks, Larry in Sacramento. -----Original Message----- From: htmills(a)bright.net [mailto:htmills@bright.net] Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 2:41 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: boom tent Well, I lucked out. The boom tent fits pretty good, considering that the canvas guy never got to see the boat and adjust/tweak the fit: It's pretty easy to rig, easy to get up on the foredeck, easy to get out the stern. Ends zip off for ventilation. Might get some rain into the companionway without the fwd panel zipped though. Aft panel for privacy when showering or warmth in cool climate. First impression: it'll work. Will post test results after trip (assuming I ever get away!) http://www.bright.net/~htmills/BT01.jpg http://www.bright.net/~htmills/BT02.jpg http://www.bright.net/~htmills/BT03.jpg http://www.bright.net/~htmills/BT04.jpg http://www.bright.net/~htmills/BT05.jpg http://www.bright.net/~htmills/BT06.jpg http://www.bright.net/~htmills/BT07.jpg http://www.bright.net/~htmills/PGlowShine.jpg Tod _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: Jib cleats - clam replacement
by Hughston, Larry 25 Jun '04

25 Jun '04

I just bought hull # 189 M-15. It was down in Ridgecrest, CA. Lots of heat and desert, east of Bakersfield, north of Edwards AFB. I have a question on the shoal cavity. When I look down past the CB lanyard I only see an empty cavity. What do you see when you look in that same cavity? Where is my ballast (steel shot for the 1981 models)?..... What would you do if you had to replace the CB lanyard? The boat is still on the trailer and the owner had not used this M-15 since 1999. ---Larry -----Original Message----- From: Steve R. [mailto:stever@mail.saabnet.com] Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 5:55 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jib cleats - clam replacement I have some Spinlock Powercleats that I have yet to install for the jib. I put a Spinlock on the main and love it. They have a little adapter plate that is drilled to mount on common bases. You can either lift the line to release or toggle the top of the cleat forward. To cleat you pull the line down or toggle the back of the cleat. Tensioning the line after it is cleated is silky smooth. I believe the line will last a lot longer than if a cam cleat was used. I need to play around with the angle to mount the jib cleats. I am thinking of installing a Spinlock wedge or a piece of wood beneath it to angle the front up. The wife suggested if they were horizontal it might mean reaching too high to uncleat. Since she handles the jib I will obey. I have toyed with the idea of swivel cleats, as some of the Potter people use a small Harken cam cleat that swivels. That may make it more convenient for me when I single hand. I think it is Harken # 240. Spinlock has something similar. steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: Mast Ties (was San Juan Island trip report)
by Hughston, Larry 25 Jun '04

25 Jun '04

The best ideas are from you sailors who have the experience. I will be standing on your shoulders with each process and idea. I have a small (microscopic) shop so I can implement most of the simplest ideas. Thanks, LH. -----Original Message----- From: George Burmeyer [mailto:burmeyer@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:57 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mast Ties (was San Juan Island trip report) Larry, There are many ways to do this one. Velcro is great. I used it on my last boat. A novel solution is a cheap, common roll of masking tape. 3/4 inch works well. You simply wrap shrouds, forestay and halyards up in masking tape loops around the mast, but you put the masking tape on upside-down, with the adhesive facing out and stick it to itself. Voila! No goo on the mast and cheap. If you keep your shrouds attached to the boat, you can leave some of the tape wrapped on the mast, keeping everything neatly out of the way until you get the mast up, then just pop the tape loops off by pulling on a line. Pick up the pieces, wad 'em up and toss them (responsibly, of course) out. BTW: this may be the only thing duct tape cannot do: it's too strong :) Good luck with your new old boat. --George Burmeyer M15 #385 (1986) On 6/23/04 3:09 PM, "Hughston, Larry" <Larry.Hughston(a)dgs.ca.gov> wrote: > Well, your idea for tie ups is better than using those electrical > ties. I did see some ties in a photo supply store here that were > reuseable, just not long enough. The velcro sounds better, like they > use on snow skis. If those were too short you could couple two > together.......I'm trying to make this complicated I guess. I can get > the velcro at a fabric shop. Or I could go to West Marine and pay > triple..........Thanks for idea. ---LH #189 > > _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: San Juan Island trip report
by Hughston, Larry 25 Jun '04

25 Jun '04

Well, your idea for tie ups is better than using those electrical ties. I did see some ties in a photo supply store here that were reuseable, just not long enough. The velcro sounds better, like they use on snow skis. If those were too short you could couple two together.......I'm trying to make this complicated I guess. I can get the velcro at a fabric shop. Or I could go to West Marine and pay triple..........Thanks for idea. ---LH #189 -----Original Message----- From: chbenneck(a)juno.com [mailto:chbenneck@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 2:26 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: San Juan Island trip report Hi Larry, If the pucker factor gets up to 9, I hope you had a change of underwear along! Loosing a trailer ball from the hitch , ...................Ouch! I think all of us have had "trailering" experiences, and learned the hard way what to do, or not do. In my case, when I bought a Bolger MICRO in Bay City, MI - sight unseen - and drove there to pick it up and then drive to Florida with the new toy I found, .............the trailer seems to have been made from a mobile home trailer. It must have weighed about1.5 times as much as the boat itself. The MICRO weighed about 1000 lbs; the trailer alone probably about 1500 lbs, for a total weight of 2500 lbs!! I was towing it with a 4 cylinder VW GOLF............ The next problem, discovered after 50 miles of driving on I-75 heading south, was that the keel of the MICRO was a long continual curve from bow to stern (rudder). It was sitting in a straight piece of channel which meant that the whole boat would rock on it's rocker (keel) as I hit bumps or braked. Temporary solution: Stop at the next truck tire tread I saw lying at the side of the road and cut pieces to jam under the keel to stop it from rocking. Next improvement: Stop at a Home Depot. Buy a saw and get a 2 x 4 that I could cut on a long diagonal to really jam it under the keel curve. It was held in place with a piece of heavy wire; also found on the roadside. We made it through the mountains of Tennessee - many times in 2nd gear - but we made it to Florida and then back to Connecticut. First chore then was to get a "proper sized; ....and weight" trailer for the MICRO. The heavy trailer was sold to a friend who uses it to haul a stock car from race to race............. Leigh Valley Tools in New York State sell a roll of Velcro tape to tie up plants for about $3.00. This is great stuff for tieing up halyards and shrouds on the mast while trailering. No fuss no muss: totally reusable. An indispensable trailering aid. I use it on my tiller extension to hold it in place while sailing. Connie _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: San Juan Island trip report
by Hughston, Larry 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

Good and cheap ideas..thanks. I am planning on finishing the old hatch way panels in epoxy and glass, both sides. What are the alternatives, what do other folks do to get a top notch look and near zero maintenance? ----Thanks. Larry H. -----Original Message----- From: chbenneck(a)juno.com [mailto:chbenneck@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:15 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: San Juan Island trip report Larry The Velcro I mentioned comes in about a 30 foot long roll. You just cut off what you need. I first found it holding lettuce and celery together at my local supermarket. I saved them and used them. Now you can make them any size you need. My previous solution when trailering was to wrap a piece of a plastic bag around the shrouds / halyards / and mast and hold things in place with duct tape. Use the plastic under the duct tape otherwise you have the adhesive on everything........ Connie _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: San Juan Island trip report
by chbenneck＠juno.com 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

Larry The Velcro I mentioned comes in about a 30 foot long roll. You just cut off what you need. I first found it holding lettuce and celery together at my local supermarket. I saved them and used them. Now you can make them any size you need. My previous solution when trailering was to wrap a piece of a plastic bag around the shrouds / halyards / and mast and hold things in place with duct tape. Use the plastic under the duct tape otherwise you have the adhesive on everything........ Connie

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