March 2004 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

accessories?
by htmills＠bright.net 18 Mar '04

18 Mar '04

....so....will we soon be able to "accessorize" with M-boat stuff? *grin* Tod

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Published Author Amongst the Crowd
by Steve & Diana Parsons 17 Mar '04

17 Mar '04

Connie, Congrats, just saw your post to MAIB. Those dragon tail boats are impressive, aren't they! Steve

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Honda Element Article
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 15 Mar '04

15 Mar '04

I know - not related - But, Sorry I didn't keep the Email of the person who tows his Montgomery with the Honda Element, or I would have directed this to you. Just got my April 2004 "Car And Driver" Magazine. There is a great article on the Element. If you didn't love the car before, you will after you read what these guys wrote. One testament says the staff loved the car so much they put on 40,000 miles in 10 months. All in the name of test driving. Alas, not the same as the Civic engine. Civic is 106 hp. The Element is 160 hp. However, still averaged 25 mpg. (I hate spending money on gas)

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Re: M_Boats: Honda Element Article
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 15 Mar '04

15 Mar '04

I'd say its 25 mpg performance had as much to do with its boxy shape as its horsepower. I've driven a 4-door Suzuki Sidekick for 12 years and typically get 23-28 mpg, in spite of a small 1.6 liter engine with a lot less horsepower than the Element's. Still, a very cool looking car! Steve Tyree, P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann" In a message dated 3/13/2004 5:09:59 PM Central Standard Time, BILLAMICASR(a)aol.com writes: I know - not related - But, Sorry I didn't keep the Email of the person who tows his Montgomery with the Honda Element, or I would have directed this to you. Just got my April 2004 "Car And Driver" Magazine. There is a great article on the Element. If you didn't love the car before, you will after you read what these guys wrote. One testament says the staff loved the car so much they put on 40,000 miles in 10 months. All in the name of test driving. Alas, not the same as the Civic engine. Civic is 106 hp. The Element is 160 hp. However, still averaged 25 mpg. (I hate spending money on gas)

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Re: M_Boats: Tongue Weight?
by chbenneck＠juno.com 13 Mar '04

13 Mar '04

Bill, I tow my M15 with a VW VR6 Jetta wagon. Connie M15 #400

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Shakespeare, anyone?
by htmills＠bright.net 13 Mar '04

13 Mar '04

>From the Tartan list, by Tom Wells with apologies to the Bard: To sail, or not to sail--that is the question: Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous winter Or to take arms against a foot of snow And by shoveling end it. To live, to sail-- Once more--and by a sail to say we end The heartache, and the thousand natural shocks That flesh is heir to. 'Tis a consummation Devoutly to be wished. To live, to sail-- To sail--perchance to cruise: ay, there's the rub, For in that sail of life what joys may come When we have shuffled off this dock line coil, Must give us hope. There's the respect That makes serenity of sailing life. For who would bear the snows and sleet of time, Th' forecaster's wrong, the yard man's contumely The pangs of unrigged spar, the season's delay, The insolvency of wallet, and the spurns That patient merit of th' unworthy takes, When he himself might his quietus make With a bare boomkin? Who would fardels bear, To grunt and sweat under a winter life, But that the hope of something after winter, The undiscovered harbour, from whose bars No traveller is spurned, infuses the will, And makes us rather bear those ills we have Than fly to others that we know not of? Thus conscience does make sailors of us all, And thus the winter hour of resolution Is carried o'er in the warming tide of spring, And building seas of great pitch and moment With this regard the currents turn and flow And loose the waves of action. -- Soft you now, The fair Leukothia! -- Nymph, in thy orisons Be all my sails remembered.

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Re: RE: M_Boats: Boat Insurance
by gosail＠adelphia.net 13 Mar '04

13 Mar '04

> Bill, Erie insures my Seawrd 23 for about $150.00 per year. Liability is automatically picked up by my Erie Homeowners Policy. My Montgomery 15 is only covered by the $1,500.00 limit available for no additional cost under the homeowners. The liability coverage under the Homeowners Policy would apply to both boats. Jerry Williams > From: "William B. Riker" <wriker(a)mindspring.com> > Date: 2004/03/11 Thu PM 08:26:21 EST > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: RE: M_Boats: Boat Insurance > > The first couple of years I had Storm Petrel, I used a separate broker > recommended by Erie, who handles my auto and homeowners. Erie doesn't do > boats. The cost was only about $60/year. I wondered if it was worth their > time to bill me and collect the check. > > The next year, I went without insurance. They apparently decided it wasn't > worth it and didn't bill me - I didn't even notice. > > Last year, I paid $115 to BoatUS, $101 plus $14 for a membership. I haven't > heard from them this year. Will they bill me, or do I have to apply again? > > > One gripe: on the app I told them I keep the boat in the Great Lakes, but > sail for a week on the Chesapeake. The declarations came back reading that > ". . . the insured yacht shall be confined to the waters indicated below:" > and defined the Great Lakes. I wrote back and explained about the > Chesapeake, but they didn't reply. The insurer was The Continental > Casualty Company, a CNA company. > > Bill Riker > M15 #184 > Storm Petrel > > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com] > On Behalf Of IDCLLC(a)aol.com > Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 7:52 PM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boat Insurance > > I added a boat rider to our home owner's insurance through USAA. Cost: $50 > > a year. > > Steve Tyree, P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann" > > In a message dated 3/11/2004 1:37:10 PM Central Standard Time, > Tom.Smith(a)itron.com writes: > Insurance on our boats went up this year, for no very good reason, I might > add. Can we start a bit of a thread on this subject? I use Allied, and > believe > me when I say that at least for me, they're broken. To start the > discussion, > is there any good reason to carry anything more than liability on these > boats? Although the buying and selling price of our boats is nothing to > sneeze at, > they're not $100k boats. > > Any recommendations on carriers? Long distance vs a local agent? Any ideas > > are appreciated... t > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >

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Boat Insurance
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 13 Mar '04

13 Mar '04

FYI: I just punched into www.progressive.com and filled out their rate quote info. Using a 2004 M-15 with a boat value of $11,000.00, With Comp & Collision ($500.00 deductible) Uninsured boaters and other features, but no towing and came up with a yearly premium of $141.00. I used them on the P-15 for the short time I had her. When I canceled they promptly refunded the unused premium coverage. I paid a very similar annual premium on the P-15. I didn't do much shopping except to ask my auto insurance broker who said they wouldn't cover boats. I tried to use the West Marine 1 (800) coverage and was treated very rudely. May have gotten hold of a man having a bad day. But, as a result of his attitude, I went elsewhere. Bill

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Attaching interior fittings
by G Burmeyer 13 Mar '04

13 Mar '04

Hi all, I saw a nifty method for securing the cockpit lockers on an '89 M-15 that was for sale at a local boatyard a while back. It consisted of small eyes bolted to the underside of the locker lids with small lines led forward to clam cleats affixed to the interior side of the cabin on either side where they can easily be reached from the cockpit. A small hole for the line had to be drilled in the shallow starboard locker. I've been told this is a standard feature on Macgregor boats, but it still might be a good idea. No barked shins from hasps sticking out and no extra locks needed since locking the hatch boards secures everything. What I didn't learn was how the cleats inside the boat were attached. I don't want to drill holes in the boat so I'm thinking of using 5200 or epoxy to attach some small teak blocks to the cabin sides, into which I can screw the clam cleats. Likewise, a strip of teak glued to the interior below the cockpit opening would allow attachment of storage pockets without having to drill through the glass and so on (my last boat had a cabin liner, so screwing stuff in was no problem). Has anyone else used this method of securing the lockers? I'm also wondering how others have dealt with attaching stuff inside their cabins? Is 5200 a good choice or should I be going with epoxy? Thanks in advance, George Burmeyer, 89 M-15 #385

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Re: M_Boats: What an eye opener... (long boat test report)
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 12 Mar '04

12 Mar '04

I'd love to. I have two obstacles: There are lots of rocks in the shallow areas of the lakes I sail, and the Corps of Engineers changes the water level frequently. If you have to hit a rock, a steel centerboard is a good thing to hit it with. Given the sublime beauty of Jerry Montgomery's creation, abusing it with limestone amounts to a criminal offense...although I've been noodling over armoring an M-15 keel with aluminum or steel...comments anyone? The other, much larger obstacle is a severe workload on many fronts. I own and operate a one horse business, I'm finishing a master bath, and I'm in the thick of framing an additional bedroom for my daughters. I came to the sad conclusion that I had neither money nor time to find a new boat this year, to which my wife heartily agrees :( The good news is I do have a boat that possesses many charms, and I will get to sail this year, pursuing that marvelous in between, where the water meets the wind :) Fair winds to all Steve Tyree, P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann" In a message dated 3/11/2004 9:38:27 AM Central Standard Time, Bobeeg(a)earthlink.net writes: I agree. Bob Becker is a nice guy. He also races his boat in the SCA Cruiser Challange and does well. Ok, Steve, time to get a Montgomery 15! Fair winds Bob

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