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Re: M_Boats: urgent help needed
by Steve R. 04 Mar '04

04 Mar '04

Grover, The M-17 foot is: 7'-6" according to: http://msog.org/specs/m17sailmeasure.cfm steve Steve R. M-15#119 Lexington, KY --- Grove777(a)aol.com wrote: need 2 meausrements for the m 17 please length of the boom length of the foot[bottom for duumise like me] of the mainsail please help thank you grover

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Re: Montgomery T-shirts
by Harvey Wilson 04 Mar '04

04 Mar '04

Hi Fred... Ya got me beat...I only have 11 G-kids...24 to 2 yrs old <GG> Harvey/Ga M-17 Stargazer #294

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Re: M_Boats: Re: Montgomery T-shirts
by Harvey Wilson 04 Mar '04

04 Mar '04

Hi Bob.. I'll opt for a T-shirt and polo shirt with the M-15 and M-17 front & back. 'Course, as a M-17 owner, I'd prefer the M-17 on the front....but I'll take them either way. perhaps my kids & G-kids would like a T-shirt as well <VBG> Harvey/ Ga M-17 Stargazer #294

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RE: M_Boats: M15 Spinnaker track location
by Smith, Tom 04 Mar '04

04 Mar '04

"But if that's the ring I put on when you brought the boat out for the race, it's strong enough." Oh, I broke that thing off a long time ago... Just kidding. Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Montgomery [mailto:jmbn@innercite.com] Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 12:21 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Spinnaker track location Tom- just center a new piece of track on the location of the old ring. 18" should be more than enough. But if that's the ring I put on when you brought the boat out for the race, it's strong enough. Jerry

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Re: M_Boats: tether story
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 03 Mar '04

03 Mar '04

How sad. It graphically illustrates the need to have two or three reliable means of release when tethered. Long ago I worked as a lifeguard. I only had need to aid one person in that career, who panicked a mere two feet below the surface (nine feet of water in a pool). In that case, all I needed to do was jump in and pull her to the surface. This reflected our training in lifesaving: Once a person panics, rational thought and action become acutely difficult. I'm not implying that this happened to the unfortunate young man in the story, but it is certainly something we should all be aware of. The antidote, I believe, is training and preparation. One more thought. In this particular instance, it sounds like all three crew would have been safer in a boat with positive floatation, which probably would have meant a smaller boat. Steve Tyree, P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann" In a message dated 3/2/2004 5:59:46 PM Central Standard Time, Tom.Smith(a)itron.com writes: Not sure if anyone saw this, but a boat went down just off Ocean Beach in SF a couple weeks ago. The following tells that sad tale: Update on Capsize off Ocean Beach February 27 - San Francisco Randy Reid, owner of the sailboat which capsized off Ocean Beach on Wednesday, February 18 [covered in 'Lectronic Latitude on February 20], comments on the loss in a letter to the Newport owners' group. "Yes, it was my Newport 30 that was lost off San Francisco. I had purchased the boat in Marina del Rey, sailed it for a week in January and left it in Santa Barbara. Myself, my son Erik and a friend, Brad, went back down on February 13 to Santa Barbara and were sailing up to San Francisco when the accident happened. "My son has not been found. Most of the newspaper articles are totally inaccurate and should be read with a large grain of salt. There were no helicopters involved, the winds are exaggerated, and there are many more inaccuracies. "The subject is difficult to talk about at this time, but if you would like to debate something worthwhile it might be whether to wear the harness or flotation devices, in what scenario or when? My son was at the helm and was wearing the harness and tether as was our practice all the way up the coast. Brad was wearing a Mustang floater coat and I was not wearing either. I was the one who should not be here today. The tether is likely to have been the cause of my son's death, as it seems he was not able to release himself from the boat when it went down. Only speculation is possible why not, but no definitive answers. "The boat to my best guess went down in approximately 45 seconds. The waves were 15 seconds apart and we got hit broadside by three when Brad and I were washed overboard. My son was still aboard the boat at this time, and I saw one more wave coming at the boat then. The boat was never seen again. I believe the safety harness dragged Erik down with the boat." Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed

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RE: M_Boats: tether story
by Smith, Tom 03 Mar '04

03 Mar '04

Not sure if anyone saw this, but a boat went down just off Ocean Beach in SF a couple weeks ago. The following tells that sad tale: Update on Capsize off Ocean Beach February 27 - San Francisco Randy Reid, owner of the sailboat which capsized off Ocean Beach on Wednesday, February 18 [covered in 'Lectronic Latitude on February 20], comments on the loss in a letter to the Newport owners' group. "Yes, it was my Newport 30 that was lost off San Francisco. I had purchased the boat in Marina del Rey, sailed it for a week in January and left it in Santa Barbara. Myself, my son Erik and a friend, Brad, went back down on February 13 to Santa Barbara and were sailing up to San Francisco when the accident happened. "My son has not been found. Most of the newspaper articles are totally inaccurate and should be read with a large grain of salt. There were no helicopters involved, the winds are exaggerated, and there are many more inaccuracies. "The subject is difficult to talk about at this time, but if you would like to debate something worthwhile it might be whether to wear the harness or flotation devices, in what scenario or when? My son was at the helm and was wearing the harness and tether as was our practice all the way up the coast. Brad was wearing a Mustang floater coat and I was not wearing either. I was the one who should not be here today. The tether is likely to have been the cause of my son's death, as it seems he was not able to release himself from the boat when it went down. Only speculation is possible why not, but no definitive answers. "The boat to my best guess went down in approximately 45 seconds. The waves were 15 seconds apart and we got hit broadside by three when Brad and I were washed overboard. My son was still aboard the boat at this time, and I saw one more wave coming at the boat then. The boat was never seen again. I believe the safety harness dragged Erik down with the boat." Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed

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RE: M_Boats: M15 Spinnaker track location
by Smith, Tom 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

The ring is located 28 inches up from the foot of the mast. Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: Steve R. [mailto:stever@mail.saabnet.com] Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 4:10 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Spinnaker track location Tom, Would you mind posting the height of your ring? Thanks, steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY --- "Jerry Montgomery" <jmbn(a)innercite.com> wrote: Tom- just center a new piece of track on the location of the old ring. 18" should be more than enough. But if that's the ring I put on when you brought the boat out for the race, it's strong enough. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith(a)itron.com> To: <stever(a)mail.saabnet.com>; <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:09 AM Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 Spinnaker track location > Anybody have guidance/opinion regarding location of track for a small spinnaker car for the M15? Presently there's a fixed whisker pole ring on the mast, but it's weak and I thought I might as well spring for the ability to adjust the pole height as long as I'm going to replace it. Or, as is my habit, am I going to extremes again... t > > Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle > Sandpoint, Idaho > M15-345, Chukar > M17-064, Unnamed _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses!!

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Re: M_Boats: mail order back stay M17
by bownez＠juno.com 02 Mar '04

02 Mar '04

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mail order back stay M17
by MC 01 Mar '04

01 Mar '04

any one with experience on ordering a replacement back stay by mail order.

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Re: Gilbert's Maiden voyage
by Seawitch 01 Mar '04

01 Mar '04

Gilbert, I must say, I enjoyed your description of your sail. So much reminded me of some of my experiences last summer as I first launched my !5 and took a few inauspicious sails. Every trip out has been a new learning experience. Can't wait til it gets warm here and I can have a few more of them. I know I will learn something new each time! Time for a cool change! Sandra(Seawitch #617)

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