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Re: M_Boats: Fixed keel
by RINALDO698＠aol.com 05 Nov '04

05 Nov '04

Hey Larry, Though it's been 26 years since I lived on Woodstock, I don't recall making many modifications as far as making it more livable. I did change quite a few things on it as far as rigging was concerned. I almost always sailed single-handed, so i made things easier to handle. I remember changing the sail. I sewed nylon slides onto the sail (just happens to be the same on my Com-Pac16) and crimped the opening so they couldn't come out. Never had to worry about feeding the sail into track that way. Doug

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Re: M_Boats: Fixed keel
by Larry E Yake 05 Nov '04

05 Nov '04

Doug, you're the first guy I've heard of who lived on a M17 for any length of time. Did you make any modifications to make her more livable? Larry On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:50:03 EST RINALDO698(a)aol.com writes: > Hello to list! I've just been observing since I subscribed to this > list. I > subscribed because I owned an M-17 years ago. I bought her at > McWayne Marine in > Honolulu in 1976 and lived on her for almost 2 years there. I named > her > Woodstock, after the bird in the Snoopy cartoons. I had learned to > sail hanging out > with a friend who owned a documented motorsailer named Snoopy, and > since I was > always tagging along with him, it was the perfect name for her. I > had so many > wonderful times on her I wouldn't even know where to start talking > story > about her! I now own a Com-Pac16 in East TN. My questions are, when > did Jerry > Montgomery start building these wonderful boats and how many were > fitted with a > fixed keel? Woodstock had a fixed keel on her and was an awsome > little boat. > Thanks, Doug Rinaldo > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 Official Adjective
by Saltm17＠aol.com 05 Nov '04

05 Nov '04

When I took MissT on a trip around the US I always got "what a cute boat" comments. It kind of bothered me until Miss T was tied up with an M15 in Marina Del Ray and one woman came by, looked at my M17 and said "what a cute boat" , then she looked at the M15 and said That is so "adorable". I felt better about being called "cute" but "Classic" IS the right term. John Edwards

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Re: M_Boats: M-15 Mast raising
by chbenneck＠juno.com 05 Nov '04

05 Nov '04

Hi Rick, Glad to hear that you had such a wonderful sail. M15s are great vessels! But............... you seem to be suffering from the same problem I initially had. If you try and put the pin in the head stay, you have to get enough tension on it so that the holes line up. If you don't; ................then you sweat and strain and get nowhere. ( unless you have the 200 pound gorilla leaning on the mast to give you some slack) My mentor was a gentleman from Alaska who said, "Connie, go to your WEST catalog - and find: ' Quick Release Shroud Levers' - page 486 in my '99 copy of the catalog" These levers allow you to hook up the fore stay - with slack - and then when you tension the lever, you have a tight fore stay. It's a great improvement. Allows you to put the pin in the fore stay - no strain: no pain - and then you flip the lever and you have tension (and the lever is locked in place) Wouldn't be without it! Connie

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Re: M_Boats: Mast Raising
by Steve R. 05 Nov '04

05 Nov '04

Norm, Yes, I do often sail solo, and I suspect that most other M-15 owners do as well. I think the link I mentioned describes the sheets. Maybe the term you meant to use is halyards. Some people route the halyards to the cockpit, to raise or lower the sails easier. I have not. The mast is close by. What I have done for the halyards is to add clam cleats on the mast. These let me quickly cleat or uncleat a halyard while I am raising or lowering a sail. Once the sails are up I secure the halyards to the horn cleats. It is particularly useful for the main as the bolt rope sometimes will not go in the track. If I encounter a nasty wave and drop the halyard, the sail stays up. I tighten the main halyard on the first try. Tighter than I ever had it before the clam cleats. I also have a Boomkicker to support he boom while I raise or lower the main. Most people use a topping lift for that. The Boomkicker is totally idiot proof. I use a Forespar telescoping tiller extension and tiller lock box to hold the rudder steady when I raise or lower the sails. Connie mentioned that is what he uses, so I got the idea from him. Others use some type of tiller lock, or the "Cajun Tiller Tamer", or a simple line and cleat. Just because the rudder is steady, that does not mean that the boat will stay on course. It will wander around. No big deal. Just make sure you are clear of anything hard. Raising or lowering the sails takes only a few seconds. I like the Forespar because I sit forward in the cockpit to help balance the boat. It is easy to jam into the lock box. I sail on Cave Run Lake in a National Forest in Eastern Kentucky. The lake is surrounded by old growth timber and ancient mountains. steve Steve R. Lexington,KY M-15 #119 --- "nbundek" <nbundek(a)earthlink.net> wrote: Do you have any experience sailing solo and how to set the sheets for this?

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Re: M_Boats: More... Two more cents worth
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 05 Nov '04

05 Nov '04

My kind of sailing Connie.

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Re: M_Boats: More... Two more cents worth
by chbenneck＠juno.com 05 Nov '04

05 Nov '04

Hi Craig, Into my second Martinis, I dream of organizing a race for the Cigarette boat crowd. The basic idea is: A figure 8 race over a reef with about 2 feet of clearance on a falling tide...................... The last boat afloat is - obviously - the winner. The remainder have to order new boats for next year's race. It helps the boat building industry. It gives the winner and the next to last, etc. bragging rights at the next Yacht Club bar Their teenage girlfriends in the string bikinis can squeal with joy as their grey hairy chested boyfriends with the heavy gold chains play "Racing Hero" With the race over, we sailors can enjoy peace and quiet till the next racing season, when we do it all over again. Think that we can convince the Cigarette boat owners that this is a manly competition and they are honor bound to participate??? ............after all it's only money...........! Any refinements to the basic idea are more than welcome. Let's make this a race that appears on the front cover of YACHTING.............. Connie

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RE: M_Boats: M-15 Official Adjective
by DKerr4023＠aol.com 05 Nov '04

05 Nov '04

The adjective I like is "classic." Diane M-15 #625 High Barbaree

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Rowing a M15
by Rick Langer 05 Nov '04

05 Nov '04

Awhile ago we had a discussion about rowing an M15. You might recall that I installed oarlock sockets and built a pair of 9 1/2' oars. The sockets are mounted on top of a wooden (locust) cleats which puts it 2" higher than the top of the coaming. The first time out I sat on a hatch board as far forward as I could get in the cockpit. The oar handles were too high and in order to get the blades in the water the handles were around my chin. I tried standing, as I think Craig suggested, but then the handles were too low. The wind was blowing hard that day so I said I'll figure it out another day. Well, a couple of weeks ago, on a warm and windless day I decided to try it again. I put the mast up, but no boom or sails. I started to row with the same problems. I figured I needed to raise my seat. So I took my little daysailing beer cooler, about 8 or 9 inches high, and used it for a seat. The height is perfect. I have to thank my wife who won't let me go out daysailing with a large cooler. Anyway, I can tell you that the M15 rows very nicely. Not as well as a Rangeley or a dory, but more than acceptable. I rowed 7 miles that day and it was nice. Rick Langer p.s. Two posts in a row. I guess you can tell it's raining in New York today.

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Re: M_Boats: More... Two more cents worth
by mike_matthews＠comcast.net 04 Nov '04

04 Nov '04

Hey Bill, All good advice. Money isn't the driving issue here. The boat I just sold should cover the cost of a used M-15....if I can find one. I pretty much wrote the Potter P-15 off after crawling on and off of it at the dock. Very very tippy even with the centerboard down (maybe all small boats are this way). I stuck my head in the cabin and immediately smacked my forehead on the metal tang of the centerboard. It sticks up out of the trunk a couple of inches. Then the owner admitted that he turned turtle on his first sail out in the bay and was unable to right the boat. Lost the mast in the process and had to be towed in. The P-15 is a cute little boat but struck me as being too light for the sailing I'd like to do and I didn't like the layout of the little cabin. Perhaps I'll feel the same way about the little M-15. I won't know until I get the chance to crawl around one. Part of what brought me to look at an M-15 is it's reputation as a heavily built little boat. Coming from a bigger boat background I think this will appeal to me. Perhaps I'll even look at a M-17 if I can find an owner in the area. Thanks again for your advice and I'll definitely check out your website. Take care, Michael Matthews > More 2 cents worth... > If you're trading down in size... don't have the $ for a Monty and you are > interested in the P-15. Make sure you do a test sail!!!!! > Read my $5,000.00 encounter with the P-15, before I traded up to a M-17. Go > to: www.Billamicasr.funtigo.com and open the FEATHER album. I'm not bad > mouthing them. All I'm saying is that it takes some getting used to... trying to > go > from a stable platform of a craft, to a squiggly little boat that has no > permanent keel. > After owning the Potter 15, I can tell you, when I went out for a little ride > in SF Bay with Bob Becker in his M-15, I was immediately satisfied with > stability. The rest of the sail, including boat handling, seaworthiness and > speed > were the icing on the cake. Great boat. I almost ordered a new one and the > (M-17) girl of my dreams came up for sale. > I spent at least 6 months bugging Bob Eeg at Nor'Sea Yachts about M-15's & > 17's. And best of all... when I bought "Tipperary" (my M-17), he congratulated > me in finding such a nice boat. Now, how cool is that coming from the > manufacturer? > Glad to see you are getting the chance to look at the M-15. One of the things > you'll need to do is get in the cabin and make a comparison of cabins as > well. Hope you get to sail one... there is no comparison. > Financially... if you must. Hang around the group for a while save your > money, find out which years are the best. Ask lots of questions, save more > money. > If you really do want an M-Boat. One will find you. It works that way... > (just thinking) > Bill > M-17 "Tip" > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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