May 2003 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

M15 Tiller
by Richard Cottrell 06 May '03

06 May '03

I've had the opportunity to sail "Really" in 15 plus knot winds this spring on several occasions and I want to again let you know how much easier it is to sit all the way forward with little effort while sailing with the new "one-foot longer" tiller when single handing. Rich Cottrell

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Re: M_Boats: Re: Fueling Outboards
by Wcpritchett＠aol.com 06 May '03

06 May '03

I've used the plastic quart containers for years on my little motors and like them. Very neat and easy to store. BUT..if it is rough you will be spilling fuel. It takes very little gas on a hot engine to vaporize and catch on fire. I had a 3hp Johnson catch on fire on the first pull after spilling maybe 1 oz of fuel during rough weather. I actually unscrewed the engine and dunked it into the water to put the fire out. It was a chinese fire drill but worked. The white engine paint was a little scorched but otherwise all I had to do was get the water out of the carb...it was running 15-20 minutes later. This happened to me 40+ yrs ago and still has my careful attention when refueling. This is a good case for copper fuel lines and metal parts under the cowl (kind of hard to get these days). The ideal setup would be to tee in (with bi-pass valves) an outboard tank hose pigtail with connector and backfill the engine tank that way...or a tank cap with attachments to do the same. Bill and his itty bitty M10

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Re: M_Boats: Re: Fueling Outboards
by chbenneck＠juno.com 06 May '03

06 May '03

Hi Steve, Gasoline is made from oil, therefore if the container holds oil it will hold gasoline too. I have been using these containers - the same ones - now for three years. They seal well. I've never had any leakage, and I store them in my sail locker. I am also very critical and sniff my cabin and sail locker to check for any fumes which would indicate leakage. While living in Europe and sailing there I was always amused by the European reactions when I told them I had a gasoline engine as an auxiliary in our sailboat The instant response was: What danger, using gasoline! I'd never live with that, .............. and so on. But that same person had a diesel auxiliary and cooked with propane in his boat, with no shutoffs, between stove and propane tank - and no bilge blower! So, it's learning live with the dangers you have on board. ...........and you are absolutely correct. You have to be very careful how you handle the gasoline. But then, I don't smoke, so that is one problem less.... Connie Connie

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Re: M_Boats: Outboards again
by chbenneck＠juno.com 06 May '03

06 May '03

Hi Doug, If you have a few drops of 10W-30 oil left in the container, and add a quart of gasoline, you now have a gasoline / oil ratio of about 200 to 1. Forget it! All it will do is add a tiny bit of lubrication to the upper cylinder walls as the fuel goes through the engine. Nothing to worry about! Connie

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Re: M_Boats: Outboards again
by chbenneck＠juno.com 06 May '03

06 May '03

Hi Doug, If you have a few drops of 10W-30 oil left in the container, and add a quart of gasoline, you now have a gasoline / oil ratio of about 200 to 1. Forget it! All it will do is add a tiny bit of lubrication to the upper cylinder walls as the fuel goes through the engine. Nothing to worry about! Connie

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Re: M_Boats: Re: Fueling Outboards
by Sandyal55＠aol.com 06 May '03

06 May '03

Using plastic containers isn't a good idea only because of the rupture possibility. Backpackers use aluminum fuel bottles for small stoves. Hard to fill at a gas station, but much safer. I use to transfer fuel from my 6 gal tank to a 2 hp engine with a standard fuel hose after removing both ends. Squeezing the bulb starts the flow and a siphon/gravity kept it going after that. I kept an extra fuel hose just for this purpose. Of course I had a 23' boat with much more storage space. Sandy

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Re: M_Boats: Outboards again
by chbenneck＠juno.com 06 May '03

06 May '03

Hi Do, Ran, .......... Sometime ago someone suggested using 1 quart oil containers as spare gas containers. The idea is: Small size - easy to store Light weight, while holding it during refueling. 1/4th the weight of a gallon container! Easy to pour into the Honda gas cap opening - a one handed operation. ............and whoever wrote in was saying it works nicely in rough weather too........... I have been using the one quart bottles for spare fuel for the Honda, and it works nicely, though I can't comment on rough conditions use. Connie

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Re: M_Boats: Old gooey glue stuff
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 06 May '03

06 May '03

In a message dated 5/6/2003 12:34:07 AM Central Standard Time, htmills(a)bright.net writes: > Jesse Tate wrote: > > >Tod, > > > > Where did you get your lettering. I plan to chrisen my boat with > >"Carolyn J" soon. > > > >Jesse > >M 15 #343 Carolyn J > > > > I got it from a booth at the Annapolis Sailboat Show last fall. Any of > the sailing > magazines will list some, I'd guess, and there may well be a sign > company you > could go to locally. The nice thing about doing it in person is that > you can be > sure of what it looks like (you can preview it on the computer monitor). > I think it cost about $30-$35 for both the name and hailing port. > > Tod > As a matter of fact, my wife Kathleen works for a sign company, SignPro in Murfreesboro, TN, 615-286-2716. She did the lettering for our boat in vinyl. I'm sure she could help you, and also sure that a reputable local sign shop could do the same. Steve Tyree P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann" Sunflower, "Resurrected" (actually hasn't been yet!)

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Re: M_Boats: Old gooey glue stuff
by chbenneck＠juno.com 06 May '03

06 May '03

Hi Jesse, Glad to hear that things are going well and you are eagerly anticipating your first sail. It takes a trip or two to get things sorted out, but as a former big boat sailor, you know that the pointy end is called the bow; the blunt end is called the stern, and you know about things like shrouds and sheets. I use lighter fluid to get the goo off the hull; I've also tried acetone. Usually lighter fluid and some time works. Another product that you might want to try is called "GOO GONE", which promises miracles, etc. Connie

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Re: Outboards again
by Don Haas 06 May '03

06 May '03

Hope I didn't make this setup seem more elaborate than it is. The fuel line and pump are permanently connected to the one gallon plastic gas can. The setup would be similar to an external tank used with a larger motor, except there is no fitting to connect the fuel line to the motor. You still need to take the Honda fuel cap off, insert the fuel line and pump the gas in. I didn't make any modifications to the motor itself. Don Honshells wrote: > That's a VERY clever idea, Don. Do you leave the external line "plugged in", or do you substitute the > perforated spare plug when needed and pump fuel THEN? Thanks!!! Fair winds, Craig, chonshell(a)ia4u.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Haas" <dshaas(a)sprintmail.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 10:57 PM > Subject: Outboards again > > I found a one gallon tank that fits in the cockpit locker on my m15 and > made a couple of modification to help, but not fix, all the problems with > refueling the Honda 2 internal tank while on the water. I built a fuel > line with a standard squeeeze-bulb pump;, drilled a hole in the spare fuel > tank cap and stuck the hose through using a fuel resistant grommet. I > think I found the grommet at an ACE hardware store. Anyway, this setup > seems to work well - at least when I remember to fill the spare tank before > I head out. Motors often follow the GASP rule and run out of gas only in > the worst conditions. > > Don > M15-248 Dream Catcher > > Stanley Winarski wrote: > > Randy, > > I wish I had an external fuel tank again. Refueling can be a challenge > when the going gets a little rough. > > That said, compare the weight of each engine. 5 HP suggests that will > be a lot of iron hanging off your stern. > > Stan > M-15, #177, Carol II

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