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RE: M_Boats: Re: Fueling Outboards--metal containers
by Smith, Tom 07 May '03

07 May '03

Like Lewis,. I use a backpacking fuel bottle. The internal tank on my Honda makes refueling a pain sometimes, but I find if I plan ahead, I'm not caught short of fuel while out (I use my moter infrequently--mostly I run it a couple times a month just to make sure it still works). You can buy a spout for the bottle that makes refueling a bit easier, although slower. I like the security of the metal bottle. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar

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Re: M_Boats: M15 Tiller
by Wilsometer＠aol.com 07 May '03

07 May '03

In a message dated 5/6/03 9:22:57 AM, rc2222(a)pacbell.net writes: >I've had the opportunity to sail "Really" in 15 plus knot winds this spring >on several occasions and I want to again let you know how much easier it >is to sit all the way forward with little effort while sailing with the >new "one-foot longer" tiller when single handing. Rich Cottrell Rich, Remind me where you got this tiller? Did it otherwise get in your way? Scott

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Re: M_Boats: M17 va M15
by Randy Watkins 07 May '03

07 May '03

hello George, I've owned both ( M15 &P15 ) and had fun with both of them. I think you'll enjoy the M15 more overall. The quality of the M15 is great and it sails wonderful, especially on rougher weather. If I move down to a smaller boat I'll probably go for another M15. Just one guys opinion. Randy W. Ranger 20 & dingy 10. >>> Egatempo(a)aol.com 05/06/03 08:01PM >>> Hi Montgomery Sailors I am located in Lancaster, Pa and retired. I purchased a Seaward 23 and sailed her quite extensively on the Chesapeake over the past 5 years. I have sold her as I am looking for a replacement that I can trailer to various venues at will. My research has come down to WWP or Montgomery. I have looked at a M15 in Connecticut (not for sale) and I am impressed as it has a keel and CB (just like my Seaward) that does not intrude into the cabin. I have looked at a WWP15 and can get one at a fair price. Right now having seen a M15 and reading about the M17 I am inclined to go with a Montgomery. I do not want to start a debate about which is better the M15 or M17 but would like some opinions of owners as to strong points and benefits of each. This would help me in my decision process. I am also amazed at the range of prices I see for a M17 from 4.5M to over 10-12M. Thanking you in advance and looking forward to becoming active on the list. Hope to be able to make the Chesapeake for 2003. The trip is one I have made in the past on a Seaward 25 and can say it is worth the trip. George Boatless (not for long, I hope) We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust our sails.

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Re: Fueling Internal tank outboards (again)
by Steve R 07 May '03

07 May '03

Excellent idea Stephen. I have a similar device with a clear hose, sold at WalMart, that fits both the one and four quart oil jugs. I use a one quart Nalgene plastic camping stove bottle. It has a spout that inverts to store inside the bottle. The spout directs the gas into the tank and restricts spills if (when?) dropped. No clue as to mileage with the Honda, I used a gallon in four months. steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY --- "stephen gray" <scgray(a)worldnet.att.net> wrote: >This oil quart/fuel tank thing has been addressed pretty well. >For what it's worth you can buy this little yellow spout thing >at Pep Boys that screws onto a plastic oil bottle that allows >you to turn it upside down without starting the flow until you >get it into the filler hole.

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Fueling Internal tank outboards (again)
by Wilsometer＠aol.com 06 May '03

06 May '03

In a message dated 5/6/03 6:16:26 AM, abrahams(a)structurex.net writes: >Here is another idea on pumping gas to a small outboard. > >Use a fuel hose with a good bulb and cut off both end connections. Match > >the flow direction on the bulb and put suction into gas container and other > >end in tank opening. Squeeze a few times and you are done. > >I saw this in a sailing magazine and it works. > >Ken Abrahams It does work, but it can be improved upon. I have used a variation of this system for six years, and have found it to be as safe as can be considering the limitations of the internal tank engine. I have posted all of this several times before, but if you haven't seen: Here is what I have: 1) A Tempo three gallon above-deck fuel tank w/fuel gauge and integral hose/bulb (permanently attached to tank). 2) An approved brass fuel shutoff valve at other end of tempo hose. 3) A short length (6") of fuel hose after the shutoff valve. During refueling: a) I remove the Honda's cap (has a captive leash, so it doesn't go anywhere) b) insert end of hose well into tank c) open shutoff valve d) squeeze bulb to fill (after a while, you know how many bulb squeezes will fill your own tank) e) close shutoff valve f) tap end of hose (short hose past valve--doesn't hold much gas) into tank e) close Honda cap and coil up refueling hose. I think this system is preferable to having a loose hose that requires keeping one end in the large tank while refueling with the other end. Even in rough water, I rarely spill anything using the method above. Also, the above system is entirely closed, and no fuel drips into the cockpit during or after the fueling process. The small amount of fuel between the bulb and the shutoff will drain back to the large tank (in other words, you don't need to worry about that section of hose pressurizing in the sun). Since I do considerable sailing (motoring) in Washington State and British Columbia, the ability to transfer unused fuel to my truck via the bulb pump has proven invaluable (they don't allow portable gas tanks on either the WS or BC ferries!). A seemingly ideal system would be to somehow bypass the internal tank cap removal altogether. A friend tried to hook his pump hose directly to the cap of the motor's internal tank, but gave up after various prototypes failed to meet the dual requirements of replenishing the fuel and venting the tank without spewing fuel everywhere. I have read about someone installing an inline 'Tee' between the tank and the carburetor, but this would likely only work for refueling, not running, as most internal tank engines use gravity, and not a pump, to fill the carburetor bowl. It may not work at all on some engines, as the additional pressure of refueling might lever the float/needle valve open and flood the carb. I am enough used to my system that I no longer seek alternatives. Scott Grometer, M15 #478 'bebe'

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CBC-2003 page approved
by Doug King 06 May '03

06 May '03

Doug Kelch is happy with the new MSOG page, so refer to it if you'd like more information. I suspect it's never too late to join the cruise for as much or little time as you wish, or to just join the folks for a daysail or dinner one night. Get in touch with Doug Kelch at doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com. The page is at http://msog.org/rendezvous/cbc2003/cbc2003.cfm Doug ------------------------------------------ Doug King M-17 #404 "Vixen" Montgomery Sailboats Owners Group Web site: http://msog.org Email: mailto:msog@msog.org

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Re: M_Boats: Re: Fueling Outboards
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 06 May '03

06 May '03

I'm with you, Lewis. A Sigg or similar backpacker's fuel bottle is bombproof. I have one in the boat now, just in case I need a little extra fuel to get home. Actually, we use the trolling motor most of the time when motoring, which is very rarely! Steve Tyree, P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann" In a message dated 5/6/2003 8:08:42 PM Central Daylight Time, lbaum(a)preferred.com writes: > I tried the oil container for spare gas route and didn't like it. When it > gets hot the bottle expands and leaks, contaminating the cabin and whatever > it's close to. What I've ended up doing is I bought a backpacking fuel > bottle. They're made to carry fuel, are metal, won't leak (therefore no > smell), and are a nice size for carrying in the cabin. Cost about $10. A > little steep, but a one time thing. I highly recommend it. > > Lewis Baumstark >

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M17 va M15
by Egatempo＠aol.com 06 May '03

06 May '03

Hi Montgomery Sailors I am located in Lancaster, Pa and retired. I purchased a Seaward 23 and sailed her quite extensively on the Chesapeake over the past 5 years. I have sold her as I am looking for a replacement that I can trailer to various venues at will. My research has come down to WWP or Montgomery. I have looked at a M15 in Connecticut (not for sale) and I am impressed as it has a keel and CB (just like my Seaward) that does not intrude into the cabin. I have looked at a WWP15 and can get one at a fair price. Right now having seen a M15 and reading about the M17 I am inclined to go with a Montgomery. I do not want to start a debate about which is better the M15 or M17 but would like some opinions of owners as to strong points and benefits of each. This would help me in my decision process. I am also amazed at the range of prices I see for a M17 from 4.5M to over 10-12M. Thanking you in advance and looking forward to becoming active on the list. Hope to be able to make the Chesapeake for 2003. The trip is one I have made in the past on a Seaward 25 and can say it is worth the trip. George Boatless (not for long, I hope) We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust our sails.

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Re: M_Boats: Re: Fueling Outboards
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 06 May '03

06 May '03

In a message dated 5/6/2003 8:16:26 AM Central Standard Time, abrahams(a)structurex.net writes: > >Sometime ago someone suggested using 1 quart oil containers as spare gas > >containers. > > > >The idea is: > > > >Small size - easy to store > > > >Light weight, while holding it during refueling. 1/4th the weight of a > >gallon container! > > > >Easy to pour into the Honda gas cap opening - a one handed operation. > > > >............and whoever wrote in was saying it works nicely in rough > >weather too........... > > > >I have been using the one quart bottles for spare fuel for the Honda, and > >it works nicely, though I can't comment on rough conditions use. > > > >Connie > Good idea. You could match the capacity to the tank size, thus not have to worry about overfilling-just put it all in. I think I'd still keep the fuel out of the cabin, though. After all, oil containers weren't designed to hold fuel, and a rupture could be catastrophic. Steve Tyree, P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann"

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RE: West System Question
by Steve R 06 May '03

06 May '03

Tom, I stained some plywood and coated it with West System epoxy. Over that, I put three layers of varnish. My understanding is you have to keep UV from getting to the epoxy. I did not bother to sand between the coats of varnish, as I was applying it a smooth surface. It worked and looks good after a year. Your mileage may vary. steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY --- "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith(a)itron.com> wrote: >I got some new hatch boards for my M15 and Cetoled the outfacing surfaces and painted the infacing surfaces white. I think I want to coat the boards with West System epoxy to seal them up. Is it okay to coat those two existing paints with the epoxy? Thanks. t > > > >Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle >Sandpoint, Idaho >M15-345, Chukar > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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