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Re: M_Boats: Yet another method of propulsion
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 31 Oct '03

31 Oct '03

I'll see what I can do :) Steve Tyree In a message dated 10/30/2003 1:18:13 PM Central Standard Time, shawn(a)ori.org writes: Fascinating. Any chance of a picture? cheers- Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) -----Original Message----- From: IDCLLC(a)aol.com [mailto:IDCLLC@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:52 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Yet another method of propulsion My dad has a manual outboard engine-essentially a gearbox on a shaft, with a big, slow turning prop. You pump its tiller up and down to make it go. It's over thirty years old, and I've never used it, but it fascinated me as a child. It's very light; even an 8 year old can pick it up. If I get a chance, I'll try it on our P-15, but beware: I'm building Michalak's 14 ft Piragua canoe, which is taking all my boating time. The good news is, I have about two more coats of epoxy and painting to complete it. Wahoo! Cheers Steve Tyree, P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann"

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RE: M_Boats: M15 bow eye location
by Randy Graves 31 Oct '03

31 Oct '03

Hi Tom, Our M-15 is in the garage and handy to measure. I am not sure exactly what you mean by bow eye? But I will give it a shot. On our bow (1988 model) there is an a metal bracket mounted .75 inches back from the further most forward potion of the bow. On the front most part of this bracket there is an eye where the winch cable connects, further back are two holes, one for the forestay and the other for the forward corner of the jib. This multi-purpose bracket is centered on deck and .75 inches back from the very tip of the boat. Randy G. -----Original Message----- From: Smith, Tom [mailto:Tom.Smith@itron.com] Sent: Thu 10/30/2003 2:27 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Cc: Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 bow eye location Can anyone tell me the location of the stock bow eye on an M15? I could guesstimate a reasonable spot, but thought maybe there was a standard... Thanks. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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M 17 Sail Inventory, Roller Furling
by fml162＠aol.com 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

Good evening, All. My wife, Karol, and I are going to California in December (if it is still there) to visit with Bob E. about buying our second M17. The first was about 20 years ago when we were in our early forties and had good knees and backs. The rule at that time was more sails and complicated rigging was more fun! Go-fast stuff was hot. Now, however, age has taken its toll somewhat, and we tend to equate fun with convenience and just spending time on the water without hassel. We are currently discussing sail inventory and whether to include a roller furling rig on the new boat. The anticpated use for the first year will be primarily as a day sailor off of a mooring in Southwest Harbor, Maine where the average afternoon winds average about 12 kts. I have had roller furlers on other larger boats, but would appreciate your collective input on a smaller boat which is going to be taken on and off a trailer several times a season. How about ideas on sail inventory and sizes of headsails? Cheers and thanks. Have a great day. Skip Langley, Rockport, Texas/Southwest Harbor, Maine

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RE: M_Boats: Boat Advise - Thanks!
by Randy Graves 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

Gary, Good to hear from you. Is that your Neptune slipped at Mac Donalds in Bay View? Randy -----Original Message----- From: Gary M. Hyde [mailto:gmhyde1@mac.com] Sent: Fri 10/24/2003 2:29 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Cc: Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boat Advise - Thanks! Randy: I have a Neptune 24 for sale, $7500, including trailer, alcohol stove, 3 sails (It's worth $10k). It weighs 3200 pounds and I enjoyed it very much in Puget Sound the time I took it over there. I pulled it with a Chevy Astro van, smaller than a 3/4-ton pickup. The only thing it lacked for Puget Sound was a cabin heater! But you could easily add one. --Gary Hyde M15 #235 'Vanilla' On Thursday, October 23, 2003, at 08:37 PM, Steve & Diana Parsons wrote: Randy, Take a peek at the Balboa 26. It's a big boat, but trailerable. I had a Balboa 20, which was a Hess design. I think they are well made, but you need to ensure that they have been cared for. Price usually 6-9K. You might also look at Cascade 27's and 29's if you are willing to give up easy trailering. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Graves" <RandyG(a)cite.nic.edu> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 7:54 AM Subject: M_Boats: Boat Advise - Thanks! Friends, Beginning in the Summer of 2005 my wife and I will both have summers off and are considering expanding our sailing, both with new destinations and longer trips. As we think about the possibilities I wanted to ask the group for input regarding good old boats for such an adventure. I know many of you have experience on other boats and would appreciate your feedback Our trips would be roughly 4 weeks in length with just the 2 of us. Our target destinations, initially, would be to sail in and around the Pacific North West; San Juan's, Desolation Sound, etc. The boat would need to be trailerable with our 3/4 ton Van with a maximum trailering capacity of 8,100 lbs. Target price range for boat & trailer is $15 - $20,000. Things that are important to us in a boat are; strong & sea worthy, sailable by 1 person, an old boat that we can invest some time and money into and use for many years and in a variety of sailing conditions. A boat that would hold the bulk of its value. In essence; a larger Montgomery! The new 23 is a beauty but out of our price range. I have only seen 2 used 23's on the market. What other boats would you suggest? Names that have surfaced in my reading are; Albin Vega 27, Contessa 26, Pacific Seacraft 25, Cape Dory 25D (some of which exceed the $20,000 target range). Thank you, I look forward to hearing from you. Since this is an off topic discussion for the list, please email me directly. Thank you, Randy Graves RandyG(a)cite.nic.edu Post Falls, ID M-15 #407 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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RE: M_Boats: Yet another method of propulsion
by Shawn Boles 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

Fascinating. Any chance of a picture? cheers- Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) -----Original Message----- From: IDCLLC(a)aol.com [mailto:IDCLLC@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:52 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Yet another method of propulsion My dad has a manual outboard engine-essentially a gearbox on a shaft, with a big, slow turning prop. You pump its tiller up and down to make it go. It's over thirty years old, and I've never used it, but it fascinated me as a child. It's very light; even an 8 year old can pick it up. If I get a chance, I'll try it on our P-15, but beware: I'm building Michalak's 14 ft Piragua canoe, which is taking all my boating time. The good news is, I have about two more coats of epoxy and painting to complete it. Wahoo! Cheers Steve Tyree, P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann" In a message dated 10/29/2003 9:09:23 PM Central Standard Time, mazemusic(a)yahoo.com writes: Wouldn't this be really hard on the rudder gudgeons and pintles as well as the pivoting rudder points? I am going to try to "paddle" my M-15 this weekend with a long canoe paddle and the rudder tied off. I have a short channel(about 30 yards) out of the marina with about 6 or 8 seaplane wings sticking out into the channel. Very narrow clearance but I think I can make it. Wish me luck! -Rusty

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C'mon, join the Pardey!
by Rusty Knorr 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

Hey, everyone. I have already learned the art of hating my outboard(a Tohatsu 2.5 that Dik Lang assures me will run fine if taken good care of.) I am sure many of you know my pain. LOL I am ready to forgo the whole outboard and go motorless like the Pardeys(whom I was fortunate enough to sail with, for about 15 minutes, a story for another time.) My question for you is, have any of you relied on alternative sources of propulsion, and what have been your successes(and failures.) I am thinking oars(standing facing forward) for the M-15. What about a single paddle with the tiller tied off? This is mostly for getting in and out of the marina, not for long distance. I am looking forward to hearing your suggestions! -Rusty Knorr M-15 ===== "In a power boat you may get there faster, but in a sailboat you are already there." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

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Sculling
by Rick Cavett 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

I'm a former M-15 owner (too many years ago, when I had the perfect boat but not the sense to realize it or the time to enjoy it) who is thinking seriously about returning to the fold. In the past I have owned a J-22, and I'm not sure this will work with a M-15, but you can very effectively scull a J-boat just by rocking it from side to side. Easiest way is for one person to stand athwartships, feet on the cockpit coaming or the settees, facing forward, and start her rolling from side to side, steering with the tiller. Good for getting around a marina and into a slip. No reverse, however. As I say, I don't know if this will work with a M-15, but someone might want to try it. Wouldn't want to do it over any great distance, though. It would be interesting to hear if this works for anyone. Rick Cavett

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Intro....
by The Tentmakers 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

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Gas filling..
by The Tentmakers 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

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Re: M_Boats: any diesel expert available
by Wcpritchett＠aol.com 30 Oct '03

30 Oct '03

The shaft should slide out the back, not fwd into the cabin. Also, neither the motor or prop have to be put in the centerline. I had a 32' sharpie ketch with offset 30 hp Atomic 4 engine and centerline shaft/prop. The motor wouldn't fit on centerline because of the mizzen mast. It was chain driven just like a bicycle and worked fine. Another 42' gaff ketch had both 60 hp Chris Craft engine and prop off center. Built new back in 1934 this way. It isn't the most efficient setup but I couldn't tell the difference when motoring. Bill P.

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