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RE: Skulling the M-15
by Ludlow, Don 31 Oct '03

31 Oct '03

Bill: Thanks for the note on rudder skulling. I used to skull my Rumba that way so I'll try it on Sweet Dream this weekend. I looked at the "Tilly" skulling rudder made for inflatables. This is a "clamp on" devise that looks like a small M-15 rudder. It's spring loaded and you move the tiller handle back and forth like rudder skulling but the spring loaded rudder does a better job. I had a link but its gone. They advertise in the back of Sailing mag. or you can search for them on the net. I had considered one as a back-up for the Honda Fair winds Don Ludlow M15 #620 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 7:39 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 8, Issue 42 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Length of M17 on Trailrite Trailer (Bill Sylvester) 2. Re:Yet another method of propulsion, hand powered outboard (Paul Bailey) 3. Fw: electronic navigation and RDF (MC Carpenter) 4. Radios on board (MC Carpenter) 5. Re: Re:Yet another method of propulsion, hand powered outboard (Rusty Knorr) 6. Re: C'mon, join the Pardey! (Rusty Knorr) 7. Length of M17 on Trailrite Trailer (Honshells) 8. New Old M-17 (Honshells) 9. Re: Re:Yet another method of propulsion, hand powered outboard (IDCLLC(a)aol.com) 10. Re: Re:Yet another method of propulsion, hand powered outboard (IDCLLC(a)aol.com) 11. RE: Filling 2 HP Hondas (Ludlow, Don) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:47:46 -0800 From: Bill Sylvester <wmcsyl1(a)cox.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Length of M17 on Trailrite Trailer To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <5F275FD9-0B5D-11D8-9892-0050E4108C71(a)cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mine is 234 inches from the last upright under the bunk to the tip of the tounge. The stern of the boat hangs over 34 inches behind that for a total of 268 inches total. Bill Endelig M-17 #279 On Thursday, October 30, 2003, at 07:40 PM, Honshells wrote: > > Does anyone know the lenth of the M17 on a stock Trailrite trailer, > from the tip of the trailer tongue to the > stern of the boat? > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:52:21 -0800 From: Paul Bailey <pbailey(a)sbcglobal.net> Subject: M_Boats: Re:Yet another method of propulsion, hand powered outboard To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <0336D605-0B5E-11D8-B705-00039376A5B6(a)sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'm pretty sure I've found a picture and description of the hand powered outboard. Go to : http://www.acbm.us/passion-for-outboards.htm and scroll down to about the third picture.....Hmmm.... this one has a crank, it looks like, and not a 'pump handle' tiller: there surely could have been more than one such thing. -Paul Bailey M-15 Sassea On Thursday, October 30, 2003, at 08:40 PM, montgomery_boats- request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: IDCLLC(a)aol.com [mailto:IDCLLC@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:52 AM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Yet another method of propulsion > > My dad has a manual outboard engine-essentially a gearbox on a shaft, > with a > big, slow turning prop. You pump its tiller up and down to make it > go. It's > over thirty years old, and I've never used it, but it fascinated me as a > child. It's very light; even an 8 year old can pick it up. If I get a > chance, > I'll try it on our P-15, but beware: I'm building Michalak's 14 ft > Piragua > canoe, which is taking all my boating time. The good news is, I have > about two > more coats of epoxy and painting to complete it. Wahoo! > > Cheers > > Steve Tyree, P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann" > -- ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 00:33:01 -0500 From: "MC Carpenter" <southisland2(a)earthlink.net> Subject: M_Boats: Fw: electronic navigation and RDF To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <008601c39f70$74856a80$db1c4bab@D60D0Q21> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ----- Original Message ----- From: "MC Carpenter" <southisland2(a)earthlink.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:01 PM Subject: electronic navigation and RDF > what happened to all those electronic navigation devices. > > There was Loran A > then Loran C don't know if there was B, > Omega seemed like it was everywhere. > Sat-Nav when did that stop. > Is Decca still around > now GPS > > Is the RDF stations still out there in U.S. cause I have not seen a RDF > receiver advertised for a while??? I know they still are in French South > Pacific islands. > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 01:31:08 -0500 From: "MC Carpenter" <southisland2(a)earthlink.net> Subject: M_Boats: Radios on board To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <000a01c39f78$95c1bde0$db1c4bab@D60D0Q21> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Does the Coast Guard still have radio beacons which you can find your way using a RDF receiver? ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 01:03:35 -0800 (PST) From: Rusty Knorr <mazemusic(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re:Yet another method of propulsion, hand powered outboard To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <20031031090335.10316.qmail(a)web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That is fantastic! Thanks for the post, Paul. I am a bike mechanic at REI in Seattle and now I am thinking I need to fabricate something with a bike crank, a chain, a prop... I should probably just overhaul my outboard! Is IS a very intriguing idea though. Hmmmmm... -Rusty --- Paul Bailey <pbailey(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: > I'm pretty sure I've found a picture and description > of the hand powered > outboard. > Go to : > http://www.acbm.us/passion-for-outboards.htm > > and scroll down to about the third > picture.....Hmmm.... this one has a > crank, it looks like, and > not a 'pump handle' tiller: there surely could > have been more than one > such thing. > > -Paul Bailey M-15 Sassea > > > > > On Thursday, October 30, 2003, at 08:40 PM, > montgomery_boats- > request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IDCLLC(a)aol.com [mailto:IDCLLC@aol.com] > > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:52 AM > > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Yet another method of > propulsion > > > > My dad has a manual outboard engine-essentially a > gearbox on a shaft, > > with a > > big, slow turning prop. You pump its tiller up > and down to make it > > go. It's > > over thirty years old, and I've never used it, but > it fascinated me as a > > child. It's very light; even an 8 year old can > pick it up. If I get a > > chance, > > I'll try it on our P-15, but beware: I'm building > Michalak's 14 ft > > Piragua > > canoe, which is taking all my boating time. The > good news is, I have > > about two > > more coats of epoxy and painting to complete it. > Wahoo! > > > > Cheers > > > > Steve Tyree, P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann" > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ===== "In a power boat you may get there faster, but in a sailboat you are already there." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 01:12:20 -0800 (PST) From: Rusty Knorr <mazemusic(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: C'mon, join the Pardey! To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <20031031091220.32008.qmail(a)web40803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, Connie. Wow, thanks for the warning! I have no stopper knot but I am putting one in tomorrow before I take the boat out for its maiden "paddle." This sounds serious, what is the result of not doing it? I hear a lot of discussion on the group about center board problems, what should I look for? I have the boat in a slip, is my CB going to rust away and disintegrate?! Will it soon be locked away in the trunk forever?! Will it drop out the bottom never to be seen again?! I need all the info you can spare, Connie! Help! -Rusty PS: I don't even know what my CB is MADE of! --- chbenneck(a)juno.com wrote: > Hi Rusty, > > Word of warning!!! > > Do you have a knot in the centerboard pennant? > > There is no stop when you drop the centerboard, so > the proper way to do > it is to carefully lower your CB till you feel it > touch the CB case; now > pull up a few inches on the pennant and put in a > stopper knot. > > At this point when you lower the CB, the stopper > knot will keep the CB > from bottoming out on the CB trunk. > > A safety precaution that every new M15 owner has to > know. > > Happy sailing > > Connie > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ===== "In a power boat you may get there faster, but in a sailboat you are already there." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:39:13 -0500 From: "Honshells" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> Subject: M_Boats: Length of M17 on Trailrite Trailer To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <000401c39fa3$9c8bd040$8f55b3cf@ajrogers> Thanks, Bill! --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sylvester" <wmcsyl1(a)cox.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:47 PM Subject: Length of M17 on Trailrite Trailer Mine is 234 inches from the last upright under the bunk to the tip of the tounge. The stern of the boat hangs over 34 inches behind that for a total of 268 inches total. Bill Endelig M-17 #279 On Thursday, October 30, 2003, at 07:40 PM, Honshells wrote: Does anyone know the lenth of the M17 on a stock Trailrite trailer, from the tip of the trailer tongue to the stern of the boat? ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 06:41:13 -0500 From: "Honshells" <chonshell(a)ia4u.net> Subject: M_Boats: New Old M-17 To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <000b01c39fa3$e3e30ee0$8f55b3cf@ajrogers> Excellent! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sylvester" <wmcsyl1(a)cox.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 11:39 PM Subject: New Old M-17 I had a diver clean the bottom and he really worked at freeing up the centerboard. He said it was rusted in solid for about three inches into the trunk. He was able to clean most of the rust out and told me he could move it a bit side to side. She came up on the trailer with no complaints. You Montgomerians were right. Thanks On Thursday, October 30, 2003, at 07:31 PM, Honshells wrote: Did you get it on the trailer with the lowered centerboard okay, Bill? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sylvester" <wmcsyl1(a)cox.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 4:32 PM Subject: New Old M-17 Finally have "Endelig" (M-17 #279) in my driveway. The restoration has started. My first task after cleaning all of the "stuff" out of the boat was to clean the cushions of the Master Suite. I noticed that the walls of the sleeping area are separated from the hull. Reaching under the bed, I found the wall sealed from underneath. What is in there? Floatation, air, treasure? How much space is there between the inner wall and the hull? I have a lot to learn and a lot of curiosity about my new old boat. Thanks, Bill ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:29:07 EST From: IDCLLC(a)aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re:Yet another method of propulsion, hand powered outboard To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <196.21dbbab5.2cd3bda3(a)aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This motor has many similarities. The main difference is that the gear housing at the top on my Dad's is perpendicular, thus the curve faces fore and aft. I plan to bring it up to our place today to get digital pics. Steve Tyree, P-15 In a message dated 10/30/2003 10:53:01 PM Central Standard Time, pbailey(a)sbcglobal.net writes: I'm pretty sure I've found a picture and description of the hand powered outboard. Go to : http://www.acbm.us/passion-for-outboards.htm and scroll down to about the third picture.....Hmmm.... this one has a crank, it looks like, and not a 'pump handle' tiller: there surely could have been more than one such thing. -Paul Bailey M-15 Sassea

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RE: Filling 2 HP Hondas
by Ludlow, Don 31 Oct '03

31 Oct '03

Connie: I like the one quart oil container idea. Is this one of the rectangular plastic containers that you typically buy motor oil in? I would have thought that when the gas warms up, the container would ballon up but I'll try it. Perfect for motoring back in on a day trip. You are right, several will fit in the sail locker and would hold just the right amount for a single filling. It's difficult to see the level in the black honda gas tank interior as you're pouring gas in (leaning over the side as the boat bounces in the chop). On a longer trip, the 3 galon Tempo with a squeeze bulb would work. I think Doug metioned using something like that on the Key West trip. One a side note: How about a report on the Annapolis Rendevous guys, And pictures. Fair winds Don Ludlow M-15 #620 Sweet Dream -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:06 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 8, Issue 38 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: gas cap air vent (Smith, Tom) 2. Intro.... (The Tentmakers) 3. Re: Intro.... (Mark Escovedo) 4. Re: any diesel expert available (chbenneck(a)juno.com) 5. Re: Intro.... (Saltm17(a)aol.com) 6. Re: any diesel expert available (Wcpritchett(a)aol.com) 7. Re: C'mon, join the Pardey! (wayne yeargain) 8. Re: Gas filling.. (wayne yeargain) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 07:39:21 -0800 From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith(a)itron.com> Subject: RE: M_Boats: gas cap air vent To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <E15906480B361D4BAA27ADC6EDCAB9EE023D37(a)spokane-mx3.itron.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've mentioned this in the past, but since we're on the subject of Honda 2s, the air vent will clog up sometimes too (especially if you keep your boat in the water for extended periods with motor attached), resulting in the engine starving out for lack of fuel. I've gotten into the habit of taking my cap apart mid-season and cleaning the airway of spider webs and dust and gunk. Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:34:07 -0700 From: "The Tentmakers" <the_tentmakers(a)hotmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: Intro.... To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <LAW10-F786KZmcK8r6b000035e6(a)hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/private/montgomery_boats/attachm ents/20031029/3904c721/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:22:09 -0800 From: "Mark Escovedo" <m_escovedo(a)msn.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Intro.... To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <BAY3-DAV472r7tmBDrg00059e42(a)hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Gloria and Dale' Welcome back to the fold. I would say you're 71 years young by the sound of it. Sail on! Mark Escovedo "Chunky Dory" M17 F/D #103 ----- Original Message ----- From: The Tentmakers To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:34 AM Subject: M_Boats: Intro.... Hi folks. We're Dale and Gloria Lilly. We own M17 #038 [1974] which has been redone a bit including new mast and boom. She's got the galley and we've added to that making her only capable of sleeping two. She's red with an off-white superstructure [I guess you can call it that on a 17' boat]. Dale is pastor of the San Carlos Community Church in San Carlos, Sonora, Mexico. We're on the Sea of Cortez and are here about 8 months each year. We have another sailboat iln the US [Idaho]. We're old [72 shortly] and have been sailing for about 43 years. We owned a M17 in the 1990's but let her go. We're glad to have her back. At our age ... and enjoying trailering all over the US, she's all the boat we need and can comfortably handle. Craig asked if we had digital pics. No ... maybe later. If you get down to San Carlos, give us a call at 226-1553. H. Dale Lilly and Gloria L. Lilly San Carlos Community Church ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Re:Yet another method of propulsion, hand powered outboard
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 31 Oct '03

31 Oct '03

Rusty, I've been a bike nut and gear head since I was a little tyke. There are definitely connections between self propulsion on land and sailing! Steve Tyree In a message dated 10/31/2003 3:04:32 AM Central Standard Time, mazemusic(a)yahoo.com writes: That is fantastic! Thanks for the post, Paul. I am a bike mechanic at REI in Seattle and now I am thinking I need to fabricate something with a bike crank, a chain, a prop... I should probably just overhaul my outboard! Is IS a very intriguing idea though. Hmmmmm... -Rusty

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Re: M_Boats: Re:Yet another method of propulsion, hand powered outboard
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 31 Oct '03

31 Oct '03

This motor has many similarities. The main difference is that the gear housing at the top on my Dad's is perpendicular, thus the curve faces fore and aft. I plan to bring it up to our place today to get digital pics. Steve Tyree, P-15 In a message dated 10/30/2003 10:53:01 PM Central Standard Time, pbailey(a)sbcglobal.net writes: I'm pretty sure I've found a picture and description of the hand powered outboard. Go to : http://www.acbm.us/passion-for-outboards.htm and scroll down to about the third picture.....Hmmm.... this one has a crank, it looks like, and not a 'pump handle' tiller: there surely could have been more than one such thing. -Paul Bailey M-15 Sassea

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New Old M-17
by Bill Sylvester 31 Oct '03

31 Oct '03

It looks like I am finally going to get to bring old #279 home. The major hurdle is that the pennant that raises the centerboard is broken, and the centerboard is down. Getting her on the trailer could present a problem so I have come to the experts for their opinions. I have a couple of ideas: It might just swing into the trunk as the boat is winched onto the trailer. (??????) My present idea is to tie off a line to one of the winches, run the line under the boat, have a diver position it under the centerboard, then use the other winch to pull the board into the trunk. Do either of these have merit? The final fix is to give the guy in the boat yard $180 to pull it and put her on the trailer. What do you Montgomerians think? Thanks, Bill and Darcy Sylvester M-17 #279 Endelig

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Re: M_Boats: C'mon, join the Pardey!
by chbenneck＠juno.com 31 Oct '03

31 Oct '03

Hi Rusty, Word of warning!!! Do you have a knot in the centerboard pennant? There is no stop when you drop the centerboard, so the proper way to do it is to carefully lower your CB till you feel it touch the CB case; now pull up a few inches on the pennant and put in a stopper knot. At this point when you lower the CB, the stopper knot will keep the CB from bottoming out on the CB trunk. A safety precaution that every new M15 owner has to know. Happy sailing Connie

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Radios on board
by MC Carpenter 31 Oct '03

31 Oct '03

Does the Coast Guard still have radio beacons which you can find your way using a RDF receiver?

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Fw: electronic navigation and RDF
by MC Carpenter 31 Oct '03

31 Oct '03

----- Original Message ----- From: "MC Carpenter" <southisland2(a)earthlink.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:01 PM Subject: electronic navigation and RDF > what happened to all those electronic navigation devices. > > There was Loran A > then Loran C don't know if there was B, > Omega seemed like it was everywhere. > Sat-Nav when did that stop. > Is Decca still around > now GPS > > Is the RDF stations still out there in U.S. cause I have not seen a RDF > receiver advertised for a while??? I know they still are in French South > Pacific islands. >

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Re: M_Boats: Possible Montgomery Rendezvous
by bownez＠juno.com 31 Oct '03

31 Oct '03

HI John, As far as a date for the Apostle Is. WI, I vote for late June, early July. Although, I'm also flexable. Bones PS I'll try to get Theo (M23) up there as well on my boat. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

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Re: M_Boats: Yet another method of propulsion
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 31 Oct '03

31 Oct '03

My dad has a manual outboard engine-essentially a gearbox on a shaft, with a big, slow turning prop. You pump its tiller up and down to make it go. It's over thirty years old, and I've never used it, but it fascinated me as a child. It's very light; even an 8 year old can pick it up. If I get a chance, I'll try it on our P-15, but beware: I'm building Michalak's 14 ft Piragua canoe, which is taking all my boating time. The good news is, I have about two more coats of epoxy and painting to complete it. Wahoo! Cheers Steve Tyree, P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann" In a message dated 10/29/2003 9:09:23 PM Central Standard Time, mazemusic(a)yahoo.com writes: Wouldn't this be really hard on the rudder gudgeons and pintles as well as the pivoting rudder points? I am going to try to "paddle" my M-15 this weekend with a long canoe paddle and the rudder tied off. I have a short channel(about 30 yards) out of the marina with about 6 or 8 seaplane wings sticking out into the channel. Very narrow clearance but I think I can make it. Wish me luck! -Rusty

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