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San Juans
by Larry Yake 02 Aug '02

02 Aug '02

Anybody doing the San Juans this September? Larry Y.

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Montgomery 15 for sale (San Francisco Bay area)
by Splashtack＠aol.com 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

1986 M15 w green hull & red stripe, asking $5500. Inventory includes: --------------------------- New Pineapple main & jib sails 505 spinnaker, pole, and all hardware Harken winches Johnson 4 HP twin outboard Galvanized EZ-Loader roller trailer Interior and exterior cushions Boom vang Double slab-reefable main Reefable jib w downhaul Bow pulpit Original McKibben sails To view, please reply to splashtack(a)aol.com

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Re: M_Boats: Outboard Bracket
by Conbert H Benneck 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

Hi Irv, My M15 had the normal fixed mount for the outboard, and after a few seasons dragging the foot of the outboard on a starboard tack, I finally decided to put in a lift mount - as per all the positive comments on the M-list. I picked the Fulton Model MB17100134, which is the one with the lift springs. I had to make some modifications to the outboard mounting plate to get it to fit my Honda 2 HP the way I wanted it to work: i.e., I cut off some of the top of the plate to lower the motor. To do the job properly, make up some 1/4 inch plywood templates of the model outboard you intend to use: You need the propeller line at the bottom; the outboard mounting bracket location, and then you can start playing with the location of the lift mount on the stern. It's a lot easier just holding the lift mount and the 1/4 inch plywood mock-up of the outboard, than trying to juggle both the mount and a real outboard while trying to make pencil marks as to the proper mounting location. Of course, if you have some well muscled help available, then you can skip the mock-up step, but the mock-up does make for less sweat and greater conviction that you have the right spot! After rereading your message, I gave you the answer to a non-asked question. You ask, what kind of outboard? The first part of the answer is a 4 stroke outboard. Why? No mixing oil and gasoline for a fuel; 4 cycles run cleaner and more reliably (no fouled spark plugs, which 2 cycles do with annoying regularity - and always at the worst possible times); better fuel consumption; and they meet all EPA regulations, which will gradually limit or eliminate 2 cycle outboards. As to Model: Most of us on the M list have had excellent experience with Honda motors. You would most likely want about a 4 HP motor for an M17, and they come with Forward, Neutral and Reverse - which is what you need for getting in and out of slips and Marinas. My 2 HP Honda pushed Eugene's M17 up the Thames River against an outgoing tide, with a yawlboat alongside, and three people in the M17; so a 2 HP will do the job, but 4 HP is probably the better choice. You'll need input from the other M17 owners as to their preferences - they have the actual experience. The other question is long shaft or sort shaft. My Honda is a short shaft and I find it works very well. If you are in a real seaway, with someone on the bow changing down a headsail, then the long shaft might be the better choice, but that depends on your sailing area; do you want to motor when you could be sailing? You need M17 input for those answers. Connie

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Outboard Bracket
by Irv Kooris 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

Any suggestions for outboards for "Whoa Nellie" M17 #354 1982. She has the non-adjustable outboard bracket. After I purchase her (fingers crossed) I will be using her in coastal New England waters. Irv

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Re: M_Boats: 17 --- storm jib
by Saltm17＠aol.com 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

Tod, I'll check on mine and let you know tomorrow. John

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RE: M_Boats: Admiral Hornblower & jib sheets
by Smith, Tom 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

Doug, I've seen and like this method for attaching sheets. I've also read a description of this somewhere, but can't remember where I saw it. Is the knot just seized on? I thought I read it was sewn as well. I would also be interested in the alternate method you mention in your email... T Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle M15/345 -- Chukar Sandpoint, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: Doug Kelch [mailto:doug_kelch@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 6:57 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Admiral Hornblower & jib sheets These pictures are the best explanation of the method I have seen. I tried it with my old stiff jib sheets and the loop would not go through the cringle on tack of the sail. I have an alternate rope only method that is a little slower to change than the one depicted. If any one is interested, let me know and I will send pictures. Doug Kelch --- "htmills(a)bright.net" <htmills(a)bright.net> wrote: > In preparation for my Maine trip, I did a little > shopping for various and > sundry objects. Since Maine is known to be a foggy, > foggy place I > thought it best to have a horn to go with my VHF > securite calls. I blindly > picked the Admiral Hornblower horn. Man, now I'm > gonna need earplugs > too! Seriously! > > Also am switching the jibsheet attachment from > individual for each sail to > one that hooks to the clew. Someone on the Potter > board posted a very > clever and simple method and shortly afterwards > Martin on the TSBB > posted a slightly refined method: > > http://www.trailersailor.com/uploads/1_the_thig_i_was_trying_to_discibe.jpg > http://www.trailersailor.com/uploads/passing_through_the_cringle.jpg > http://www.trailersailor.com/uploads/knotted_end_thru_the_loop.jpg > > Thanks for the responses on the rot. I think I'll > try to avoid completely cutting > out the board since it is in such an inaccessable > place and so far I've avoided > cutting out the bottom of the wet locker. If other > approaches don't work I may > end up having to do that; I hope not. I think I'll > cut out around the bolt holes as > much as I can, try the antifreeze method, fill with > reinforced epoxy, add heavy > plate washers, bed well, and keep my fingers > crossed. > > Tod > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Surveying M17
by Conbert H Benneck 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

Hi Irv For another view on the survey question, here are my two bits worth....... If you need a survey for insurance purposes, then you have to get one: no survey; no insurance But then the question arises, why insurance? Without researching my Home Owner's Police, plus my Extended Policy, I think that I am totally covered for small craft like a Montgomery 15 or 17, and I certainly am not carrying a Marine Insurance Police on a 15 foot boat that weights 1000 lbs! How much damage could it do to anything else? A scratch, maybe, and the cost of removing it would be far less than the yearly premium for a policy. When I sold my Tripp-Lentsch, the buyers had a survey made, and the surveyer, just confirmed all that I had told them, but they needed it for the Marine Insurance policy. I had a survey done on a Northeast 38 sailboat that I bought in Hamburg, Germany in 1985. Totally wasted money! I got a nice report telling me the boats layout; the number of sails;(but not their condition); that it had an engine - I knew that (but he didn't tell me that it just had had a major overhaul - the sellers told me that); how many drawers were in the main cabin, and on and on - with photos of the deck, and interior. When I sailed the boat in Denmark for 5 weeks and then brought it back to Hamburg to get small items fixed prior to sailing it back to the States, the man doing an Algrip paint job called me to tell me that the hull had a severe case of gell coat blistering underwater. My "good" surveyor, who said in his report how good it was that he could examine the boat out of water, totally failed to make any comments about hull condition or blistering Now, I knew what the boat was all about - it's layout; and had a list of equipment from the sellers; that's why I wanted to buy it. Blistering in the gell coat sure would have changed my mind about buying it. I checked if I could sue the surveyer for a lousy job, but he had a paragraph in his contract that in effect said ' anything found after the survey is conducted is not the responsibility of the surveyor...." .....and there I was. So, his survey was a total waste of money, though I did get some pretty pictures. ~~~~~~~~~ I bought my M15 sight unseen from an owner in Sauselito, CA, with boat at Panama City, Florida. No regrets: got a great boat! Connie

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Long Island Cruise
by Doug Kelch 01 Aug '02

01 Aug '02

Would there be any interest in a cruise behind the barrier Islands on east coast of Long Island, September 7, 8,9 or 8,9, 10. This would be in the Fire Island area. Local knowledge and parking accomodations would be provided by Abbey Gura, M15 #466. Nice, reliable seabreeze with little to no waves! Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com

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