September 2003 - KLF - mailman.xmission.com

rap and "racism" - thanks!
by our.webstuff＠verizon.net 14 Sep '03

14 Sep '03

>> I took those lyrics to mean just about the opposite of racism: what >> drummond is actually doing is railing against the restrictive nature >> of the concept of "genre" and image - "in other words", why does pop >> music require a rapper to be a black, chain-wearing sterotype? a >> rapper need not even be "authentic", as long as the caricature is >> >> does ANYONE agree that the song is "proto-racist"??? > > US black male rappers always say that they are best, that other > rappers/labels are shit (2Pac/Biggie) and this goes as far as death > threats, nobody claimed them being racist. actually, I hadn't even really considered looking at the lyrics in that context - I was so surprised by trouser press's accusation of "proto-racism" that I didn't realize just how simple it all was :) man, does trouser press suck! thanks for your insight gyerek!

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RE: Yes Its Fucking Political
by Martin Bradbury 14 Sep '03

14 Sep '03

Well, there was an anti USA message in that interview: "Fuck the USA and fuck the war" or something like that was what Jimmy said. Its not an exclusively anti USA message though considering the line in FFF ("Fuck The USA, Fuck The UK"). And anyway, this doesnt mean Jimmy hates Americans or anything just because hes come across with an anti USA message. It probably means he hates the hypocrisy of corporate america (much like Michael Moore and he's american). Anyway, theres a line in FFF that goes "Fuck Justice" and Jimmys not going out to kill judges, is he.

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Re: [KLF] 2017
by KLF- gyerek 14 Sep '03

14 Sep '03

"In the year 2525, if man's still alive"...we got to fear from something, always. The big worry bomb, huh? Nuclear war, hidden planets.... >When 2017 comes, every view on THAT >ACT with have been stated, everything will >have bben said therefore making asny future >debate a redundant and pointless exercise. > >when the time comes, expect Bill to say: >"Everything has been said and therefore >it is not worth saying anything". >_______________________________________________ >KLF mailing list >KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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Re: [KLF] "who killed the jams" racist???
by KLF- gyerek 14 Sep '03

14 Sep '03

US black male rappers always say that they are best, that other rappers/labels are shit (2Pac/Biggie) and this goes as far as death threats, nobody claimed them being racist. Ice T NWA and Public Enemy often made racist comments on Jews and Chinese and critics say "it's the poetry of the streets, it's self-expression". So the JAMS are most definitely NOT racist because of this tiny line. >I took those lyrics to mean just about the opposite of racism: what >drummond is actually doing is railing against the restrictive nature of the >concept of "genre" and image - "in other words", why does pop music require >a rapper to be a black, chain-wearing sterotype? a rapper need not even be >"authentic", as long as the caricature is > >does ANYONE agree that the song is "proto-racist"??? _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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OT - JAMMS Greatest Hits / Big Fat 45
by Jon Mace 14 Sep '03

14 Sep '03

I've just uploaded the JAMMS Big Fat 45 to www.brandnew.co.uk... Just click through to the KLF section and it's on the bottom of the menu. enjoy! :)

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pyramid blaster
by Phil Smith 14 Sep '03

14 Sep '03

whats the pyramid blaster logo all about? are they destroying the pyramids of power and illumination with sound or are they using it? or what? _________________________________________________________________ Find a cheaper internet access deal - choose one to suit you. http://www.msn.co.uk/internetaccess

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OT - JAMMS Greatest Hits / Big Fat 45
by Jon Mace 14 Sep '03

14 Sep '03

Rockman Mike has very kindly pointed out to me that I have a duff link to the Zip file on the 'big fat 45' page at brandnew.. All sorted now though... apologies for wasting your bandwidth! ;) Jon

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nme take on blacksmoke 911
by Stuey and Michelle 13 Sep '03

13 Sep '03

KLF STAR RETURNS TO MARK 9/11 ANNIVERSARY http://www.nme.com/news/story.htm?ID=106145 KLF founding member JIMMY CAUTY has released a download as THE BLACKSMOKE ORGANISATION in memory of the 9/11 WORLD TRADE CENTER attacks two years ago. 'Silent Night' will only be available online for today (September 11) after which it will deleted forever. The track is available for download at www.blacksmoke.org/911.htm "I recorded the track a while ago and a few days ago I realised it was going to be the 9/11 anniversary. We wanted to respond to what was going on," he told Australian website undercover.com.au. "Blacksmoke is an occasional art collective and musical group." He added: "We have just done an EP called 'Fuck The Fucking Fuckers'. It is a concept EP, the concept being fuck America basically and fuck weapons of mass destruction." Cauty explained: "It is like a protest record. It is kind of record that you would want to put on if you are going to go out on a riot. We do feel quite angry about what has been going on with the war." Artwork for the download, which features postage-stamp styled images of the Queen wearing a military gas mark appeared on the front cover of The Times last June. Despite rumours, former KLF collaborator and political activist Bill Drummond was not involved with 'Silent Night'. Cauty also revealed that there are no plans in the near future to reform the band who famously burnt Â£1 million. "I do work with Bill on other projects but we are not going to reform or anything like that, he said. "Maybe at the end of the world we might do a gig. There are no plans at the moment. I left the whole music thing." He added, "I haven't done anything for ten years. It was only the 9/11 thing when I started to get some ideas." Published: 11-09-2003-15-50 -- Stuart Young, Michelle Ardern & Felix Ardern-Young (2) have moved to: 42B, Sefton Ave, Grey Lynn, Auckland, NZ Same Phone: +64 (0)9 376 8100 say.map(a)ihug.co.nz Stuey is webmaster of the NZ Green Party: http://www.greens.org.nz/ And webmaster of his own personal website - a cobweb site: http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~stuey/

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Yes Its Fucking Political
by Martin Bradbury 13 Sep '03

13 Sep '03

Considering politics has been the hot topic recently, does anybody know for sure what way Bill and Jimmy vote and what their political beliefs are. Dont you think that America No More seems ironic for a song title considering what Jimmy's doing now with Blacksmoke. Are there any Americans on this list and what do you think about the anti-USA Blacksmoke thing?

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Re: black smoke / speaking out / primal scream
by our.webstuff＠verizon.net 13 Sep '03

13 Sep '03

> Its like people think its ok now to say this or that but why didnt > they at the time? Its like loads of punks ive met going on about war > this and atom bomb that, then when anything kicks off they shut up. Is > this cos while normally these events would be ideal for their artistic > shock value and a way to make themselves feel 'righ on' or is it > because they realise if they take advantage of such evil at such short > notice they are scared of getting their fucking heads kicked in by Sun > readers? take the case of primal scream's "bomb the pentagon" (which I heard for the first time about 8 hours before the 9/11 event) - now, what would you do if you were in their shoes? there was some discussion in the following weeks and months over whether or not they really "meant" what was said in the lyrics, but the point is this: now that amerikan "leaders" state (and to this day continue to state) that any who dissent will be considered the enemy, what the hell do you do with a song like that? seriously, even today you can't mention facts about that event without getting threats (from a MAILING LIST!!!) as far as "speaking out" goes - PLENTY of people said and sang about it at the time, and the reason you may not have heard it yourself is that they were met with EVEN MORE resistance than what you see today > We've all gotta enjoy stuff and theres a time and a place, but things > of such importance really shouldnt be met with an up yours and such > negativity which i've seen on go on. You may not wanna read it but its > not like someones trying to stir up race hatred or some shit. There's > more discussion about whether its related to a band who arent even > going anymore than there is about such mixed up times. Thats probably > an excellent illustration of what a fucked up race we are as you've seen, you can't make people talk about things they don't want to talk about, you can only make them talk about how much they don't want to talk about them and if you've been following my posts, you can't even make them talk about things they claim they WANT to talk about :) I think all those things are worth discussing and NEED to be discussed, but bottom line: people ARE scared that's not a criticism, that's just plain observation, and pretty much what you said yourself and unfortunately for "free speech", artists (and others) can not be as blatant as "bomb the pentagon" anymore

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