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[OT] Sonic Youth with Dutch improvisors
by Arthur Gadney 14 Jul '02

14 Jul '02

Hi! Does anybody know what happened to the "In The Fishtank" with Sonic Youth and a number of Dutch musicians, like Ab Baars, Han Bennink and more? I think it is supposed to have been organised by a couple of members of The Ex, and I read about it in The Wire several months ago. It also appeared on a few "upcomming releases" lists, but now it seems to have dissapeared.... Anybody know? Anything? Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Boredoms live
by Arthur Gadney 14 Jul '02

14 Jul '02

Hello, Did anybody catch any of the recent Boredoms concerts in Europe??? Cheers, _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Non-JZ FS: Clusone Trio, Brokeback, Fonn, Live Human
by pm.carey＠utoronto.ca 14 Jul '02

14 Jul '02

Perhaps of interest ... ** PRICES ARE US$ POSTAGE PAID ** in North America (more for overseas) If you don't like a price, make me an OFFER. $10 -- Brokeback - "Field Recordings From The Cook County Water Table" US CD (Thrill Jockey) 1999 [Debut from Doug McCombs (Tortoise) w/ guests Mary Hansen (Stereolab), John McEntire, John Herdon, Rob Mazurek, Noel Kupersmith & Josh Abrams. NEW copy.] $14 -- Clusone Trio - "I Am An Indian" US CD (Gramavison/Ryko) 1994 [Bennink (percussion, harmonica, voice, piano, electronics), Reijseger (cello, voice) & Moore (alto, clarinet, bass clarinet, melodica) recorded live 6-9/1993. Originals, and covers of Ellington, Berlin, Redman, Powell, Nichols etc.. NEW copy.] $10 -- Fonn - "Field 831" UK CD (Fat Cat: fatcd05) 1999 [Quality electro/drone-based "post-rock" that brings to mind Fridge, Tortoise, Slint et al. Guest: DJ Quest (Live Human).] $ 8 -- Live Human - "Improvisessions" UK 12" (Fat Cat: fat05) 1998 [4 non-album pieces of sublime, improv hip-hop/jazz from the trio of Andrew Kushin (contrabass), Albert Mathias (drums) & DJ Quest (turntables). NEW Copy.] -Patrick pm.carey(a)utoronto.ca

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astute commentary on the music biz
by skip Heller 13 Jul '02

13 Jul '02

Believe it or not, the new issue of MAD (with the SGT PEPPER cover) is on the money with a smart, funny, and disturbingly astute "50 Worst" list by Desmond Devlin (of whom I know nothing). skip h

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Interesting movie (actual Zorn content!!!!)
by Arthur Gadney 13 Jul '02

13 Jul '02

Hi Anybody heard of the movie Revenge of the Dead Indians from 1993. According to imdb.com Zorn appears in it as himself. I have never heard about this particuar film before, but it looks very interesting. Other people featured in it are among others Merce Cunningham, Matt Groening, Dennis Hopper, Heiner Müller, Noam Chomsky, Iannis Xenakis, Frank Zappa... Any more info would be appreciated. Cheers. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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quick
by SonataPathetique＠aol.com 13 Jul '02

13 Jul '02

Quick is a european fast food chain similar to McD's

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FW: mcdonalds
by > chromasoom audio visuele communicatie > 13 Jul '02

13 Jul '02

> Van: "Patrice L. Roussel" <proussel(a)ichips.intel.com> > Datum: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:31:44 -0700 > Aan: Joseph Zitt <jzitt(a)metatronpress.com> > Cc: "> chromasoom audio visuele communicatie >" <mail(a)chromasoom.be>, > zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com, proussel(a)ichips.intel.com > Onderwerp: Re: re : mcdonalds > > > On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:56:18 -0700 Joseph Zitt wrote: >> >> On Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:48:38 +0200 >> "> chromasoom audio visuele communicatie >" <mail(a)chromasoom.be> wrote: >> >>> How odd. Americans really seem to have no food culture... >> >> How odd, you really seem to have no clue as to American culture. There >> are actually a wide variety of American food cultures and regional >> cooking styles. A moment of actual research and thought might avoid >> foolish comments such as that. > What I mean is the imago America has. In Europe when people talk about foreign food, they mention for example Italian, French, Asian, African food and dishes. Nobody talks about 'American Food', and if they do so, it's always in the context of 'fast food' or 'easy food', like hamburgers, coke, spare ribs, eating a quick lunch etc. That's the way most people see American food culture. They maybe create that imago through sitcoms, movies, ... So most Europeans don't have any clue about real American food culture. And then it's odd that some Americans say that McD is there last resort in foreign countries when it comes to food, like if that's the only food they can thrust (oops). They just confirm the thoughts Europeans have about them. By the way, never mind the food isn't well known, there are other things from the USA which are far more popular and better (like music, movies, ...). Some Americans are just so proud and idle...sorry to disturb that feeling sometimes. groets, jW

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DON CHERRY Orient
by Arthur Gadney 13 Jul '02

13 Jul '02

Hi! I just found this at aquariusrecords.org and it looks very cool. ANy comments... Cheers. CHERRY, DON Orient (BYG / Get Back) 2lp 21.00 I (Andee) had to push really hard for this to be record of the week as we seldom make LPs records of the week, since so many folks out there don't have record players (shame on you!!), but this is easily one of the most amazing records I have ever heard. We knew about this record but had never actually -heard- it (and rumour is that there is a cd version under a different title, but it supposedly sounds terrible) until now, with this new vinyl reissue. And we were just blown away. We were convinced that this could be the jazz record to cure Jim of his I-Hate-Jazz attitude (we'll let you know what happened with that -- umm, nope - Jim). A gorgeous double lp in an amazing sleeve, depicting a little ant on the yolk of a big fried egg! Quite striking. Recorded in 1971, 'Orient' features 2 separate live performances with Cherry in two different trios, one with Han Bennink (drums, percussion, accordian, vocals) and Mocqui (tamboura) and the other with Johnny Diani (bass) and Okay Tamiz (drums, percussion). The track 'Orient' which takes up all of side one and half of side two, is the real gem here (although all four tracks are spectacular). 'Orient' starts off with minor key piano and subtle percussion, with mumbled, chant-like vocals, slowly building, rumbling clattery percussion, not all that different from what No Neck Blues Band seems to be working towards. Ten minutes in, the track explodes into a hyper-rhythmic free-jazz frenzy with wailing trumpet and completely mad silverware-drawer-down-the-steps drumming from Bennink. The chanting vocals return, this time, much higher in the mix turning it into a musical tug of war between a somber spiritual and a crazed drum circle free-for-all. The drums prevail, beating out a tribal rhythm, with drum kit and tamboura weaving a rich rhythmic framework, that slowly winds down to dark and dreamy melancholy piano and huge gong swells, with occasional percussive clatter in the background. Suddenly the trio slips into a classic jazz groove that is perfect, but also perfectly out of place. No need to worry, as the groove quickly dissipates into a free jazz supernova of squealing horns and chaotic drumming. Track two, named for Cherry's son, starts with loping and meandering, deep dark beats, with owl-ish flutes and ghost-like horns. Some percussive clatter and an almost Roland Kirk-like breathing/singing whips up a frenzied fervor over throbbing bass, skittery percussion and wild piano (at this point it's necessary to point out the fact that Cherry is handling piano/trumpet/flute single handedly!). The trio soon click into an almost Santana-ish groove with Cherry's soaring vocals following the piano. The track winds down with Cherry going crazy on BOTH the trumpet AND the piano! Track three 'Togetherness' displays some truly breathtaking free-jazz interplay from Cherry and drummer Okay Tamiz. Cherry alternates between pocket trumpet and flute, playing complicated and unlikey melodies over the thick pulsing bass and frenzied percussion (drum kit, but also bells and shakers and gongs!) eventually finishing off with more of that Santana-ish groove and wild, free vocals! The final track, 'Si Ta Ra Ma' is the weirdest of the bunch, again reminding us sonically of No Neck and other of the more modern drone/clatter ensembles. Guttural vocalisations that vacillate from droning almost-throat singing to what sounds like speaking in tongues, with muted horn sputter, droning low-end trumpet buzz, clapping and sorrowful chanting vocals. Over the course of the last ten minutes, the vocals gradually fade into the mix as the percussion (steel drums?) build and build while Cherry solos dreamily and mournfully until the end of the track. Amazing and essential and totally timeless. Reason enough to get your sorry ass a turntable!!!! _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Takase-Mahall/Stangl-Kurzman
by Ricardo Campillo 13 Jul '02

13 Jul '02

Hi, The last week, I went to the Takase-Mahall show, and was an excellent experience ,I never heard Mahall before and was a big surprise ,his style are great.And Takase were extraordinary with her incredible virtuosism.All the set was practically versions, including a strange version of "I'm confessin that i love you".Was a very funny show too, because Mahall tell a lot of jokes during the show ( I don't understand everything but he tell something about the tunes,the hospitals, and explain the story of a partiture that was preparing during the morning, but he lose it). In the last piece Takase throw at the piano some plastic balls that jump while she was playing.A great show. But i can't say the same about the Stangl show with Mahall, the other day, was absolutely boring,atmospheric horrible sounds with electronics and the acoustic guitar of Stangl improvising very bad and making noises with the electric guitar, accompanied with a video filmed in China with images of cars and streets, everything was really awful. regs, Ricardo. _______________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Nueva versiÃ³n: Webcam, voz, y mucho mÃ¡s Â¡Gratis! DescÃ¡rgalo ya desde http://messenger.yahoo.es

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Re: mcdonalds
by Bill Ashline 13 Jul '02

13 Jul '02

>From: Steve Smith<ssmith36(a)sprynet.com> >To: zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >Reply-To: ssmith36(a)sprynet.com >Subject: Re: re : mcdonalds > >God (or whoever) bless Patrice Roussel. > >I've been quietly sitting here on my hands for days now, quietly wishing >that >a small handful of smug, sanctimonious individuals would just fucking TRY >to >remember once in a while that George W. Bush is not synonymous with >"America" >and imperialism/colonialism is not synonymous with "America" and McDonald's >is >not synonymous with "America." I agree. But it's hard to get away from symbolic capital when that capital is always on export. There are as Joe Zitt said a lot of diverse food cultures in the states, music, art (Patrice is totally right in suggesting that US art has been dominant over the past 50 odd years), film, etc. That said, you get a rather different perspective when you're outside the US and looking back at it then when you're immersed in American life on a daily basis. As an American myself I rarely get upset when outsiders start dissing on the US. I join in sometimes. But there's always a point when the picture gets a little distorted and you realize that other people really have no direct experience with the US. The same as so many Americans who have little direct experience with other cultures, and when they do, can't seem to get out of the little prism by which they view them. > >Still, the monolithic view from the outside persists. Dig: Not every one of >us >is proud of what some of us have done or said or committed on behalf of the >rest of us here some or even most of the time, most of us still recognize >that >in the mean time we have a lot to be proud of... and -- at least for the >moment >-- the right for all of us who actually live here to complain openly about >just what it is WE don't like about our country, thank you very much, and >to >take action when action is warranted. Yes, that's certainly true, but that action always bumps up against the structural limits of the culture. We have two political parties of consequence. And having two choices some how constitutes democracy. Never mind the fact that there's little difference between them anymore now that both are marketed toward the so-called center. There are many different Americas, more or less good, but much of the best stuff, many of the best people, rarely get an opportunity to be seen outside the US, which is why so many non-Americans have such distorted views of the country and why so many care little about learning more. >And lo and behold, while I sit and steam and sulk, it takes a certafiably >cynical Frenchman like Patrice to finally step up and give voice to that >which >I was too pissed off and offended to accurately verbalize. So thanks, >Patrice. >I honestly feel a lot better now. Well, Patrice is in a very good position as a French expat living in the states and looking at it first hand--and not just on a little vacation. He can see all of it--not just the stuff that gets marketed overseas. Adorno had it in for "mass culture." That's the America I don't like much. And also the one that insists on the political center. The America I like a lot is the diverse one with all kinds of surprises and pleasures in the nooks and crannies. But don't blame the disaffected foreigner residing in his home country for not being able to see it. He's being told and sold to look at something else. NP: Taster's Choice Instant--Didn't make it to Starbucks today. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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